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A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/3/2008 9:19:14 PM
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chrisovery
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One of the greatest mysteries of the Bible, yet proof of the Holy Spirit moving and unity between brothers, is that there are many people that were used to write the words that are in it, yet they all come together to give full context of the truth. Take the book of Revelations for instance.
We can read and study out the book of Revelations and gain alot of wisdom from it. However we do not receive the complete context of the endtimes by reading Revelations by itself. In order to completely understand the end times prophecies we need to study out the Bible as a whole. The prophecies in the Old Testiment, the gospels and even through the epistles of the apostles comes together to tell us what the end times are and what is going to be happening with them.
These are all many books of the Bible, written by many different people. Yet they all need to be studied out to find the complete truth and wisdom of the truth. This is not only true for the studies of the endtimes, But for any subject of life that we may face. The word as a whole conforms our life if we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives. When we truly accept Jesus Christ, he leads us through the Bible giving us revelation of the word of God. I realize that many people that have gone to semanary schools and what not are going to call this deceitful as they are taught that we can only study the word of God by book and by chapter.
So i am going to illistrate for all of us what i am talking about. In first Corinthians chapter 7, Paul opens up a discussion in his letter to the Corinths concerning marriage. Now someone from a semenary school is going to come up with a, well Paul was writing this to the corinthians because Paul received questions and reports about this or about that and the sin that people were comitting in marriage and all this and all that. Ok this is some truth.
However it is not only written to the Corinthians. It is written to all man kind that reads it, so that we can have answers to go with questions. Is this complete context and all we need to know about marriage? To people that go to semenary school we take it out of context if we study it with other books of the Bible, where the same topic is discussed.
However if we study it by itself there are a lot of questions that rise up and are not answered in this one passage. Questions like, what are the rolls of the husband and the wife? What if one is not saved? What about divorce? As well as many others. To find the answers to these questions the Holy Spirit must lead us to the other parts of the Bible where they are answered. No man or man teaching can give us these revelations. They are only given to us by the revelation of the Holy Spirit through our faith in Jesus Christ.
Paul writes about this in Galations 1, and we are also warned by our Lord Jesus Christ of these things as well. He states that many will come in His name and will deceive many through their tongue and false applications of scripture. Many will use teachings of authority and judgment, to keep us blind from the truth of the word of God.
I am going to show you a few more passages of scripture. You are going to have to look them up on your own though. I am not going to give you all the scripture that deals with marriage i am simply going to give you a few to show you what i am saying and then you can judge for yourselves after you study it out for yourselves. This is very important that you take no mans words and always study it out and ask the Lord for revelation. Your revelation does not come from any man telling you what it is. I don't care what anyone was taught in a seminary school or coming out of a seminary school. Double check everything.
Ok here are some more scriptures concerning marriage.
1 Peter 3:1-6
Ephesians 5:22-33
Romans 7:2-3- this application is actually concerning 2 subjects, while it is talking directly of a marriage between a husband and a wife it is also talking about the body of Christ as a whole and our fellowship with one another.
These are only a few of the scriptures concerning marriage. However the point of this article is not to discuss marriage. Rather how the Holy Spirit has talked through different people to set the complete context of the subjects that we need to know and for our hearts to see the different ways that we can commit the same sin.
There are many deceptions of the word of God in this world especially through out the United States of the oppressed and manipulated.
God bless you all and as always you are welcome to write back on anything that is written in this article.
Your brother in Christ
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 6:40:17 AM
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However it is not only written to the Corinthians. It is written to all man kind that reads it, so that we can have answers to go with questions. Is this complete context and all we need to know about marriage? To people that go to semenary school we take it out of context if we study it with other books of the Bible, where the same topic is discussed. Uhm... except that the letter was written specifically to the Corinthians. To take what Paul said out of the context of what problems he was addressing in Corinth is to misunderstand what Paul meant by saying those words at that time. Now, it is very true that the Bible is applicable to all men at all times, but Paul's MO for this letter was specifically what was happening in the Corinthian church. That isn't lowering the value of what Paul said, that is the reality of what he said. Here is the way context works, from most important down... (1) look at the surrounding verses of the text to determine the author's thought flow, (2) examine the context into which this particular book of the Bible was written, (3) look at other works by the same author to see his slant on theology, (4) other canonical books written around the same time, (5) the rest of the Bible, (6) how this fits into the Christocentric philosophical worldview. So yes, pulling one chapter out of the middle of a book and comparing it to a single passage from another book is taking a passage out of context of the original thought flow unless you keep the context in mind when doing your cross-referrencing.
Now, you can "over-contextualize", which means you end up explaining away the vast majority of the Bible by putting it in a historical box. However, most people come nowhere close to that (except the atheists). We have to remember that the Bible was not written in English and it was not penned in the order that it appears in the Bible. All of the authors (except for a few exceptions) have a specific use for every Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic word that they wrote and unless we determine what the author was intending to say in that specific passage, cross-referrencing is practically pointless.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 9:49:29 AM
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furgodwurlivin, so you admitt that the truth of the whole bible does not make context. rather you read 1 corinthians 7 and have all knowledge and wisdom of what a true godly marriage is supposed to be.
where did you get your peice of paper claiming that you have received revelation of the word of god from?
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 5:10:09 PM
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However it is not only written to the Corinthians. It is written to all man kind that reads it, so that we can have answers to go with questions. Is this complete context and all we need to know about marriage? To people that go to semenary school we take it out of context if we study it with other books of the Bible, where the same topic is discussed. Uhm... except that the letter was written specifically to the Corinthians. To take what Paul said out of the context of what problems he was addressing in Corinth is to misunderstand what Paul meant by saying those words at that time. Now, it is very true that the Bible is applicable to all men at all times, but Paul's MO for this letter was specifically what was happening in the Corinthian church. That isn't lowering the value of what Paul said, that is the reality of what he said. Here is the way context works, from most important down... (1) look at the surrounding verses of the text to determine the author's thought flow, (2) examine the context into which this particular book of the Bible was written, (3) look at other works by the same author to see his slant on theology, (4) other canonical books written around the same time, (5) the rest of the Bible, (6) how this fits into the Christocentric philosophical worldview. So yes, pulling one chapter out of the middle of a book and comparing it to a single passage from another book is taking a passage out of context of the original thought flow unless you keep the context in mind when doing your cross-referrencing.
Now, you can "over-contextualize", which means you end up explaining away the vast majority of the Bible by putting it in a historical box. However, most people come nowhere close to that (except the atheists). We have to remember that the Bible was not written in English and it was not penned in the order that it appears in the Bible. All of the authors (except for a few exceptions) have a specific use for every Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic word that they wrote and unless we determine what the author was intending to say in that specific passage, cross-referrencing is practically pointless.
Adam
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The writers did not have "slants" on theology. They didn't just decide to try and figure out what God is on their own... they ALL had inspiration from God.
2 Peter 1:21
21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Timothy 3:16
16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You could literally translate the first part of II Timothy 3:16 as "all scripture is God breathed." To say that the men of God in the Bible had their own "slants" is saying that the Bible was written by the will of men and not of God. You absolutely SHOULD use verses on similar subjects in the Bible to get back to the rightly divided word. Cross-referencing is NOT pointless.. it's the basis and cornerstone for rightly dividing God's Holy Word.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 6:03:55 PM
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thank you the bible truth. many people are being falsely taught because they do not devide the word in truth. they believe that it is context in the chapter buy verse study. i am not saying that we cant gain wisdom in that study but i do not believe that it is complete context of anything.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 7:24:07 PM
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ok, first of all, you don't need to be so snotty. It isn't necessary. I have no idea, nor do I care what you are trying to prove. It just makes you look very rude. Second of all, Adam is right, Corinthians WAS written for the Corinthian church. Why do you think Paul addressed it to the Corinthian church? Paul was addressing questions and a big problem that plaqued the church. Yes, we can take things out of the Corinthians to help us in our lives. And may I add, Adam has some great advice. If you'd stop being so snotty, you might just learn something. And Adam NEVER said he had all the knowledge and wisdom of a true godly marriage. He was just answering a question. Geesh!!!
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furgodwurlivin, so you admitt that the truth of the whole bible does not make context. rather you read 1 corinthians 7 and have all knowledge and wisdom of what a true godly marriage is supposed to be.
where did you get your peice of paper claiming that you have received revelation of the word of god from?
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 7:43:42 PM
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dancre i will agree that my response is snotty. but ya know what when those transcripts were found they were not entitled to the corinthians and only to the corinthians. this is a seminary teaching that gives false application to the word of god as a whole. there were no chapters or verses marked in the bible except that which man has done. the reason there wassnt is because one part of the bible goes with the other parts to define complete truth. these teachings are why so many people think and believe that the word of god contradicts another part. take for instance matthew chapter 7 states do not judge yet another part of the bible states that we are to have nothing to do with certain people that are living in sin.
but people do not realize that they need to study all these scriptures out because they are being taught that corinthians was for the corinthians and ephesians was for the church in ephesus. these teachings actually help people not accept christ. can you blame them though. i mean they are being taught do not take this set of scripture and study them with the other scriptures conserning the same thing to get complete understanding because you are going to be taking it out of context. hmm.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/4/2008 8:29:15 PM
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well, you are right, the bible didn't have the verses, chapters, etc. That came about when King James created our bible in 1604. And you are right, the scriptures weren't basically for the corinthians only. But the letter itself was meant to answer questions the Corinthians had regarding marriage, sex, Communion, and the man sleeping with his step-mom, etc. Yes, we can take things from Corinthians and use them in our lives and to understand God, in fact it's expected. YEs, it is for everyone, but was originally WRITTEN for the corithian church. I personally have never heard anyone say we shouldn't study Corinthians b/c it's only for the Corinthian church nor do I know of any pastor who says this or read this from seminary school.
Also Adam himself never said we shouldn't study Corinthians b/c it was only for Corinthian church. What he said basically is read the whole chapter to see what Paul is trying to say. This is b/c I can take any verse in the bible and twist it to mean what I want it to mean. So you want to read the whole chapter. For instance. I just picked up my bible and opened to John 3:6 which says, That which is borm of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of of the Spirit is Spirit. Now without reading that whole section, I could easily say, You all reading this post right now will never make it to heaven b/c you all are fleshly creatures. But I am Spiritual in that I have reached Spiritual awareness, blah, blah, blah. b/c I am a spiritual being. So yeah, you want to read the whole chapter just to make sure no one is taking you for a ride so to speak.
It helps to see why the author wrote the book in order for the reader to better understand what the author is saying. It's easier to apply the book to your life. For instance, the Corinthians was written b/c everyone was basically doing whatever they wanted in the church. Church was just a mess. Paul gave them order. I can glean order out of the book corinthians. Like Paul wrote Galatians b/c folks were following after legalistic views instead of godly views. I can see from reading Galatians what happens when I follow legalistic stuff.
Adam also said to study in the light of the society during that time by reading other writings. For instance in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul talks about women having their hair covered if they have short hair or having long hair. Without reading other writings during Paul times, women of today think that it's a sin to have short hair. Yet in Paul's time a woman with short hair was consider a hussy, a floosy, prostitute. A man with long hair was considered gay, homosexual. Well of course, these things no longer stand up today. A woman can have short hair and a man can have long hair. But without reading other writings, you'd never know that.
He also said to look at the slant on theology. For instance, the 4 gospels of Jesus were written for different reasons. Matthew wrote his book from his Jewish background and for the Jews, Mark was just a reader's digest type of Jesus' ministry. Luke wrote his book for his friend who had questions on Jesus and John wrote his based on his intimacy with Jesus, which makes sense. Yes we are suppose to glean things out of the Bible, but we can also see why the writers wrote their books. It can help to understand why Matthew spoke of things we don't understand, like Jewish theology or Jewish symbols. In fact, in the book of Matthew, there's a lot of stuff that is Jewish centered that we have no idea as to why they did what they did and it had a great impact on the Jewish readers, but not us. Why? B/c we don't understand that culture. Again, this goes to studying other books during that time. Does that make sense?
This is how I study the Word and it helps me to understand what God wants from me.
If someone says to you, don't read this book b/c it's only for this group of people, you have the right to turn away. Where did you hear this from anyway? Is someone teaching this? I personally have never heard anyone say don't read galatians b/c it's just for galatians.
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dancre i will agree that my response is snotty. but ya know what when those transcripts were found they were not entitled to the corinthians and only to the corinthians. this is a seminary teaching that gives false application to the word of god as a whole. there were no chapters or verses marked in the bible except that which man has done. the reason there wassnt is because one part of the bible goes with the other parts to define complete truth. these teachings are why so many people think and believe that the word of god contradicts another part. take for instance matthew chapter 7 states do not judge yet another part of the bible states that we are to have nothing to do with certain people that are living in sin.
but people do not realize that they need to study all these scriptures out because they are being taught that corinthians was for the corinthians and ephesians was for the church in ephesus. these teachings actually help people not accept christ. can you blame them though. i mean they are being taught do not take this set of scripture and study them with the other scriptures conserning the same thing to get complete understanding because you are going to be taking it out of context. hmm.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/5/2008 2:19:53 AM
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I won't waste too much time answering accusation against me. Rather, I'm going to dispel a couple myths about the letters of Paul. Take a gander at 1st Corinthians 1...quote:
Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Notice that Paul even says in the book that he is writing to the Corinthians. That means that Paul's point in 1 Corinthians only truly makes sense in the context of the problems/questions of the Corinthian church.
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furgodwurlivin, so you admitt that the truth of the whole bible does not make context. rather you read 1 corinthians 7 and have all knowledge and wisdom of what a true godly marriage is supposed to be.
where did you get your peice of paper claiming that you have received revelation of the word of god from? Actually, what I said is that if you make cross-references without respect for the close context and historical context of the passage, then you are horribly mutilating the passage you are analyzing. When you read 1 Corinthians 7, you have to bear in mind that Paul is addressing a specific problem/question in the Corinthian church. So yes, Paul's answer is supposed to be a complete answer for a specific problem. It is not a comprehensive explanation of marriage... nor did I claim it was.
My objection to your opening post is mainly that you are attempting to make Corinthians (and the rest of the Bible) as if it is written primarily to the modern day Christian, and it isn't. Proper study of the text is only done in the context of what the historical church was like that this letter was written to. Then you extract the universal principles, and those are the ones we make "ground rules" for Biblically explaining life. So relax... I'm not saying the Bible isn't important, I'm saying that you have to understand the context of the specific passage before trying to make a definitive statement about what the passage actually means. A cross-reference with no concessions for concept thought-flow or close context is otherwise known as proof texting, and is a major fallacy. Cross reference as much as you like, but do not forget that every idea is changed drastically based on what is in the book directly before and directly after it. I would also note, that considering how insistent you were that this thread was not for discussing marriage, it seems to be your hot button.quote:
What? -_-
The writers did not have "slants" on theology. They didn't just decide to try and figure out what God is on their own... they ALL had inspiration from God.
2 Peter 1:21
21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Timothy 3:16
16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You could literally translate the first part of II Timothy 3:16 as "all scripture is God breathed." To say that the men of God in the Bible had their own "slants" is saying that the Bible was written by the will of men and not of God. You absolutely SHOULD use verses on similar subjects in the Bible to get back to the rightly divided word. Cross-referencing is NOT pointless.. Pavlov would be pleased... look again at what I said. "Unless we first determine what the author was intending to say in that specific passage, cross-referencing is practically pointless." Determine what the passage is saying before cross-referencing. That isn't heresy, that is Bible study method 101.
And yes, the different authors did have different slants on theology. Why does John focus on what Jesus says rather than on what He does like the other three Gospels? Why does Matthew focus so heavily on fulfilled prophecy? Why does Luke stress factual correctness and chronological order? Why does Mark originally end at 16:8? Because the authors are attempting to communicate specific facets of the same thing. When you read the various Epistles, different authors have different focii of doctrine because they are different individuals with different personalities writing to different audiences.
God did not negate the author's personality or will when it came to penning the New Testament. It is very true that all scripture is "God breathed"... just as it is also true that Paul coined that term in that passage. God is a brilliant communicator. So much so that He can have 7 different authors write to radically different audiences, and still deliver a completely homogenous message... all without emptying any of the Apostles of their humanity. That is sheer brilliance that even Obama couldn't shake a stick at.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/5/2008 11:14:18 AM
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alright you all, check this out. when jesus or the apostles recited the word to people you never see where they stated the whole chapter and many times what they stated was not found in the same book or chapter or even written by the same person. you also never see where they state that this was written to the egyptians for this cause or that cause. funny isnt it. how we do the oppisite as our lord and his hand picked apostles.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/5/2008 11:50:56 AM
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but people do not realize that they need to study all these scriptures
I think 'people' realize more than you give them credit for. Have you had a bad experience with regards to your post?
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/5/2008 3:12:43 PM
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then why do so many not teach it. i am not saying that all people are like this or that i am the only person that has been given revelation of the gospel. but lets face it, the teachings in many churches by semienary students is not the complete truth of the gospel.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/5/2008 4:02:36 PM
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wesp, yes they are so why are they not used in such manners?
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/5/2008 7:10:00 PM
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So maybe we should just throw the bible out and use something else? I have no idea what you are talking about, so I'll leave you all to figure this out.
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alright you all, check this out. when jesus or the apostle recited the word to people you never see where they stated the whole chapter and many times what they stated was not found in the same book or chapter or even written by the same person. you also never see where they state that this was written to the egyptians for this cause or that cause. funny isnt it. how we do the oppisite as our lord and his hand picked apostles.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/6/2008 4:11:27 AM
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alright you all, check this out. when jesus or the apostles recited the word to people you never see where they stated the whole chapter and many times what they stated was not found in the same book or chapter or even written by the same person. you also never see where they state that this was written to the egyptians for this cause or that cause. funny isnt it. how we do the oppisite as our lord and his hand picked apostles. I think we can trust that Jesus (aka, God in the flesh) knew the precise context of what meant what and exactly what the precise thought meant as well. Based on this, we also need to remember that Matthew, Luke, and John were upper-middle class individuals who most likely had at least some education and physically walked with Jesus for 3 1/2 years, as well as that Paul was a Pharisee among Pharisees before becoming a Christian. How about the two on the road to Emmaus? Jesus expounded upon Moses and all the prophets the things spoken concerning Himself...... how would you like to have been involved in that Bible study? So yes, Jesus and the Apostles don't go through all the steps of showing a passage in context in their preaching, but they definitely knew the meaning of the passages they were quoting. All I am saying is to determind the meaning of the passage you are looking at prior to cross-referencing. If you understand the context (literary and historical), you have a far better chance of understanding what the passage is saying, so your cross-references will have a far better chance of being accurate and actually proving what you are wanting to prove.
I can tell that your apparent lack of method is highly flawed because you said that Corinthians (A) wasn't written specifically to the Corinthians and (B) that 1 Corinthians 7 isn't written in response to questions of the Corinthian church... both of which are specifically contradicted within the text you quoted. Based on that alone, I know that your method is somewhat askew. You are fighting a battle that you can't win, because you are fighting what the Bible actually says in direct quotes.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/6/2008 9:03:58 AM
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so, what is your excuse for the apostles? romans 3:10-18, most of this is recorded out of the old testament. none of these verses come out of the same chapter and many do not even come out of the same book. all the same they were used to show man the truth and this from the apostle paul. i guess have apostle paul was wrong huh? i mean according to you and dancre everything in the word of god is a lie except what the seminary schools teach.
here is another example of this great truth. acts 2:17-20 despite what many will state about this book we do not know who wrote it. possibly it was written by more than one apostle. however that is trivial and of no need for us to know. it is not going to be any different for our soul. the point here is that the truth is not being taught and the false teachings that are out and about are started through seminary schools.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/6/2008 9:38:11 AM
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the false teachings that are out and about are started through seminary schools.
that is a very harsh, finger pointing, generalizing thing to say.
I am not saying I agree, or disagree, I have seen first hand, the arrogance that comes from shutting out the Spirit in a quest for higher knowledge.
Spiritual revelation is replaced with survey, eschatology, language study, hermeneutics, apologetics, systems of belief.... and so on.
the same type of arrogance that may have put Jesus on the cross is now putting Him in a box.
...Love is replaced with some higher form of reasoning and the enemy has won.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/6/2008 11:59:25 AM
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the false teachings that are out and about are started through seminary schools.
that is a very harsh, finger pointing, generalizing thing to say.
I am not saying I agree, or disagree, I have seen first hand, the arrogance that comes from shutting out the Spirit in a quest for higher knowledge.
Spiritual revelation is replaced with survey, eschatology, language study, hermeneutics, apologetics, systems of belief.... and so on.
the same type of arrogance that may have put Jesus on the cross is now putting Him in a box.
...Love is replaced with some higher form of reasoning and the enemy has won.
yes you are right and the finger is actually pointed in the wrong direction. the finger should be pointed at the catholic church. they were never the first true church. as a matter of fact they did not even start from the authority of jesus christ. they were the start of all denominations though. however nowhere in the bible does it discuss anyhing concerning denominations.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/7/2008 8:35:40 PM
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FurGodWurLivin
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so, what is your excuse for the apostles? romans 3:10-18, most of this is recorded out of the old testament. none of these verses come out of the same chapter and many do not even come out of the same book. all the same they were used to show man the truth and this from the apostle paul. i guess have apostle paul was wrong huh? i mean according to you and dancre everything in the word of god is a lie except what the seminary schools teach. That is out of line. I never said that, dancre never said that, you are believing what you want to believe about what I am saying.
The original twelve Apostles walked with Jesus (aka, God in the Flesh) for three and a half years. Paul was a Pharisee among Pharisees... meaning that the dude had memorized the majority of what we now call the Old Testament. I think it is safe that this seminary student (which you seem to have a special resentment for) knew the context of what he was saying as well. As I said in the above bolded statement... quote:
All I am saying is to determind the meaning of the passage you are looking at prior to cross-referencing. If you understand the context (literary and historical), you have a far better chance of understanding what the passage is saying, so your cross-references will have a far better chance of being accurate and actually proving what you are wanting to prove. NEXT!quote:
acts 2:17-20 despite what many will state about this book we do not know who wrote it. possibly it was written by more than one apostle. however that is trivial and of no need for us to know. Actually, we do know who wrote the book of Acts. Take a look at Acts 1...quote:
The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, So we know that this book is written by someone (hence, "I") who is writing to someone else (Theophilus) that they had already written to (in my former account). So the question is what is the former account... Answer? The Gospel of Luke. Evidence? Luke 1.. quote:
Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, So, if you are willing to believe that Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke, then you have to accept that Luke also wrote Acts. Once again, your lack of study has come to hurt you.quote:
it is not going to be any different for our soul. the point here is that the truth is not being taught and the false teachings that are out and about are started through seminary schools. Admittedly, that is your main point if you say it is. I also will not argue that there are false teachings being pumped out of liberal Seminaries. However, you are using incredibly faulty information to support your hatred of all seminaries everywhere, that in no way supports your proposition that all seminaries are evil.
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yes you are right and the finger is actually pointed in the wrong direction. the finger should be pointed at the catholic church. they were never the first true church. as a matter of fact they did not even start from the authority of jesus christ. they were the start of all denominations though. however nowhere in the bible does it discuss anyhing concerning denominations. Once again, incorrect. The Bible does discuss denominational boundaries as very evil (in the letters to the Corinthians, to be exact). However, the finger should not be pointed at the Catholic church, but rather at ourselves. Luther is just as fallible and divisive as the Catholic church ever was. True, the Catholics split from the Eastern Orthodox, but Luther split from the Catholics, and a multitude of splits have happened from Luther to today. To finger the Catholics as the birthplace of denominationalism is not true... it was happening in the first century (Paul, Apollos and Cephas... need I say more?). The Jerusalem Council was hosted specifically to resolve a rift that was opening between two denominations of the early church. So no... to finger the Catholics is a grave misnomer that is a byproduct of the Reformation.
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RE: A Great Mystery of the Bible - 9/9/2008 12:00:13 PM
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chrisovery
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ok, first of all the author of acts is not stated in the book of acts anywhere. many are basing this belief on the style. this doesnot make it fact. however it is not important who wrote the books of the bible. it does us no good to know that.
i will agree with you that i was wrong and denominations were startinbg those days. however the point that i am truly making is that the context of the bible is being falsely taught and spoken.
you did in fact state that complete context is found in chapter by verse studies. you as well as dancre both stated that you have to read each book on there own and study them out to have complete context. the point here is the difference when we go to seminary schools we are taught the worldly obvious of the bible and given a test on a mans thought of the bible. this means that we have to answer he way a man wants us to without the true revelation of the lord. this is where the false teachings come in.
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