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American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 6:09:32 PM
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tsnody2001
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I have been reading about this group over the last couple of days. They are a private military-type security force. Apparently they have gone into Hardin, Montana, shut down the State Police Department and Sheriff's Department and set up their own shop.
Here is a link to their own website: HERE.
Here is a letter from someone in Montana asking for prayer about this: HERE.
This, coupled with what has been going on in Pittsburgh because of the G20 conference, could be a serious issue. I know that some are going to attack the source of this information, but I think we should focus on trying to verify it. Like I said, if this is true, it is only a matter of time before this spreads.
Do any of you have any more info on this group? Their website seems a bit creepy to me, IMHO. Take this to the LORD in prayer, people.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 6:31:48 PM
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It seems that, if anything, the company is taking over a jail that has been empty for two years.
And the writer of that weird, rambling letter is certainly in need of prayer.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 6:40:04 PM
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There is a TV report HERE.
I assume that it is legitimate.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 6:48:57 PM
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tsnody2001
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And the writer of that weird, rambling letter is certainly in need of prayer.
Why so?
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Ummm ... is there a way to read what's happening without clicking a link to an unknown website?
Sure, Sorry about that. I wasn't thinking.
The first link is the American Police Force's official website, so I will leave that up to you to go to.
Here is a bit of the second link...
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We are Out of Time!
City of Hardin & surrounding area is now becoming a police state!
September 28, 2009
“Arise, shine; for your light has come! And the glory of the Lord is risen upon you. For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and deep darkness the people; but the Lord will arise over you, and His glory will be seen upon you.” Isaiah 60:1
“…We must remember: how we vote is how we will be visited. In the Greek, the word for ‘visitation’ is linked not only with the concept of overseeing but also with casting a vote. People who live in a nation with a democratic process that forms how they are governed are allowed by a holy God who rules the earth to choose their future. We, like Israel of old, can demand a king and then wake up one morning and see that those whom we have chosen have now made choices for us that are detrimental to our future…
As the word of God says in 1 Samuel 8:18, the Lord warned the people that if they chose a king who was not His choice, the following would happen: “You will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.” We can always make a choice that will be detrimental to our lives in days ahead…The factor of time causes our true hearts to be seen and the consequences of our choices to manifest.” (quote from ‘Redeeming the Time’ by Chuck Pierce)
THE SHAKING HAS BEGUN!
Dear Intercessors,
Things are moving so quickly and we are out of time! The spirit of Pharaoh has entered our land! We have found out that our little town of Hardin is the 'test town' for President Obama’s new law to privatize the police force of local communities. Last night, the city council voted to disband our sheriff’s department and to bring in a private security company to police the town.
Interestingly, earlier in the day, the mayor when asked in an interview about the privatization of our police department completely denied it and said that would not be done with out a council meeting. Then that evening, a council meeting was held in regards to that very thing. At the beginning of this month, our local prison signed an agreement with the American Police Force which is a subsidiary of a larger private security force that the U.S. used in the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina.
Yesterday, a convoy of twelve 'blacked out' Mercedes Benz SUV’s were brought into town. They were already painted with Hardin’s colors and ‘Hardin Police Force’ was already painted on them! Hardin’s sheriff’s department will no longer be in operation after the month of October. During October, the Sheriff’s Department is to train this new security force in all the logistics of running the town of Hardin. If you go on the American Police Force site, you might notice that the logo they use is actually a Russian logo. I have been told that the man who came with this new security force as the captain, has a thick Russian accent.
Earlier this month, in an interview in regards to this Hardin prison and the training center that they are planning to build, we were told that seventy five percent of the security officers that were to be trained would be ‘international’.
This private security force is already patrolling the town. They had several people stopped yesterday. Also, it appears that they are building some type of heavy duty gate at the entrances of our town.
I am not going to repost the link because they are in the OP. Thanks guys.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 6:53:30 PM
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tsnody2001
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Thanks for the news clip, kerrlaw!
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 7:08:28 PM
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It would appear that APF is simply trying to take an unused facility for housing inmates and put it to use, hopefully making a profit in the process. Looks like the plan is to house low to medium security inmates there, while APF manages the facility. Not all that unlike what a few other prison outsourcing firms have done.
Doesn't look like the type of group I'd try to sign contracts with though.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 7:14:08 PM
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Doesn't look like the type of group I'd try to sign contracts with though.
Could you elaborate on this please? I would appreciate it. Thank you.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 7:38:40 PM
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GroupW
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One news article indicated that though they claim to have years of experience, the company is actually not all that old. Seems to me that you actually would like a good track record before putting people in charge of inmates. They also appear to overstate the amount of business they actually do with the US Govt.
Seems possibly like a lot of talk and not enough walk. (All "flash" and no "pan")
Plus, yes their website strikes me as creepy as well.
< Message edited by GroupW -- 9/28/2009 7:44:41 PM >
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 7:47:40 PM
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This, coupled with what has been going on in Pittsburgh because of the G20 conference
Er, as a Pittsburgher, "what went on in Pittsburgh" was not a police takeover or military occupation. 
Protests were not prevented. Peaceful protests went unhindered. Protestors who shut down a bridge (becoming a further pain in the butt to people trying to navigate Pittsburgh traffic) were allowed to hang from their cute little rappelling cords with their adorable little sign for several hours, until they climbed back up of their own accord and were arrested without violence.
A crowd of anarchists and troublemakers decided to start destroying private property, and police went into riot-control mode, as well they should have. Those awful fascist police  completely failed to seriously injure or kill anyone, I might add. Darnit, a martyrdom would have been so much more interesting. And, in true fascist police-state form , they warned people to disperse, and sent out text and phone messages for people to avoid that one small part of Pittsburgh so that innocent folk wouldn't find themselves in the middle of the mess. The people who's homes and businesses were being attacked were quite grateful for the police intervention.
Thus ends my PSA: Pittsburgh was not a "police state" during the G20. Thankyouverymuch.
The verbiage of the letter posted makes it very difficult for me to take it anymore seriously than the claims that Pittsburgh was under some kind of oppressive police regime during G20. Watching the news report, I don't think it's a Russian conspiracy. It does seem a little shady but to me looks like it's more likely to be scammy than scary. Also, what kind of town is this that only has one entrance that can be blocked off by a gate?
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 8:02:01 PM
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Er, as a Pittsburgher, "what went on in Pittsburgh" was not a police takeover or military occupation.
I never said it was.
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Also, what kind of town is this that only has one entrance that can be blocked off by a gate?
I don't find that relevant to the discussion.
I know you said you are a Pittsburgher, but have you seen the wealth of video regarding the G20 police and military situation? I mean, come one, it doesn't take much to find it... if you are willing to not close your eyes and ears to it.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 8:29:56 PM
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They also appear to overstate the amount of business they actually do with the US Govt.
Sounds to me likeBLACKWATER has changed its name.......
ETA to add link
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 8:59:43 PM
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Went to youtube. Watched some "woe is us, poor persecuted people" videos.
I saw...
protesters verbally attacking police
protesters physically and threateningly closing in on police who were making a peaceful arrest, and police moving them back aggressivly, but without touching them.
a protester throwing her bike at police when being moved along with a crowd, and being taken down
protesters who had left their planned and approved route, ignored police warnings, and attacked a police truck by rolling dumpsters down a hill toward them
a CNN reporter who didn't get a clue when the police warned that riot-control actions would be forthcoming if the protesters didn't return to their planned route
a protester being arrested by people in military fatigues (again, no secret that it wasn't just the Pittsburgh police working the G20), arresting a single man who was resisting arrest. What the "woe is us" video failed to mention is that arrest was of a man who makes it his career travelling around instigating violence at events like this, and the police were on the lookout for him. It wasn't a random, innocent college student.
So, the videos were intended to make me sympathetic and scared of law enforcement, but they failed completely.
Maybe we need a G20 thread, actually. I only pursued this here because of the comment made by the OP about Pittsburgh.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 9:07:15 PM
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I know I mentioned Pittsburgh in the OP and then said a bit more about them in response to your post. But this post is not about Pittsburgh. It is about the American Police Force and what seems to be going on in Hardin, Montana. If we could, let's return to the original topic. We could talk for days about the G20 conference, but it is not the intent of this thread. If you would like, start a thread about G20 and Pittsburgh, and I would be more than happy to discuss the issue with you there.
Now back to APF and Hardin...
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 10:44:29 PM
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Apparently they have gone into Hardin, Montana, shut down the State Police Department and Sheriff's Department and set up their own shop.
I'm not sure where you got this information. Based on a more reliable story from the Montana Standard:
"An empty jail where promoters tried unsuccessfully to bring Guantanamo Bay terrorism detainees has landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm that says it wants to sharply expand the lockup.
The deal to house hundreds of low- and medium-security inmates in the Hardin jail involves American Police Force, a Santa Ana, Calif., company that was incorporated six months ago."
Here's a link to the story in the Montana Standard: Montana Standard Article
There's nothing about this having any impact on the State Police or Sheriff's Department. Hardin is in Big Horn County which has a Sheriff's department located in Hardin. I think you're reading way too much into the situation.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 11:14:56 PM
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I don't know what really happened but if there were a takeover of the sheriff's dept. do you think the truth would be in the  newspaper? I know that there are some nutty people out there but what makes one think that the news media is any more reliable these days?
Most small town people are good, honest people. And I said MOST. I'm sure there are a few nuts but most are kind and trustworthy.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 11:23:09 PM
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If they are not going to bring terrorists from Guantanamo to the Hardin jail, why is this outside police force still there? And if they had brought the terrorists there, who was going to pay for this outside police force, the taxpayers of Montana? Why? The taxpayers of the U.S.? Why not leave them in Guantanomo then?
I originally heard that Montana offered to take the terrorists in order to provide jobs to people from Montana. I guess that didn't work out.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/28/2009 11:30:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: Milliecat
I don't know what really happened but if there were a takeover of the sheriff's dept. do you think the truth would be in the newspaper?
Yes, it absolutely would. If for no other reason than somebody with a cell phone would have called Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Nancy Grace, Rick Sanchez, or any number of news outlets, legitimate or otherwise. If a private police force had taken over a sheriff's dept, somebody would've heard about it and would've made a stink about it.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/29/2009 5:39:29 AM
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Thanks for the link gcsmith.
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/29/2009 5:53:35 AM
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I just found this at another site. I am going to check into it.
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found this additional information about the group:
defenseproductsolutions.com is hosted on the same IP (97.74.186.121) as americanpolicegroup.com. Both sites feature the same logo. Click on the Catalog link on defenseproductsolutions.com and say ‘hello’ to Edward Angelino. Other business names associated with him: Allied Defense Systems, Inc.
(allieddefensesystems.com) and Defense Consulting Group, Inc. There are almost certainly many more. I only spent ten minutes on this. I looked through a couple of the sites that use the same template and noticed this:
allieddefensesystems.com/aboutus.htm:
Founded in 1990, ADS and its veteran team have serviced a variety of contracts under extreme conditions in the Middle East. Our projects have ranged from base camp construction operations to supplying world-class military vehicles. In the midst of international tensions, ADS will perform.
defenseproductsolutions.com/aboutus.htm:
Founded in 2004, DPS and its veteran team have serviced a variety of contracts under extreme conditions in the Middle East. Our projects have ranged from base camp construction operations to supplying world-class military vehicles. In the midst of international tensions, DPS will perform.
HAHA.
Searching eangelino@aol.com will bring up more links for anyone who’s interested in unraveling these antics. Oh yeah! Do you have a, “2002 Lamborghini Murcielago tail winng or spoliler”[sic]? You might have a buyer. Guess who? Yep, that’s right. There are many addresses, phone and fax numbers associated with all of this. I’m not sure why the Associated Press and others haven’t made these connections, but it’s all available on Google.
Source: blacklistednews.com
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/30/2009 5:40:08 PM
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Here is the logo the American Police Force is using.
HERE
Can any of you add anything about the symbolism in this logo?
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RE: American Police Force taking over Hardin, Montana? - 9/30/2009 5:49:41 PM
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No, but I can give some history on why that was splashed across the APF vehicles. Here's what I was able to piece together.
It was essentially a bit of a goodwill / marketing ploy. The town is strapped for cash, and the cash from the contract from APF's point of view was going to at least in part help fund law enforcement in the community.
The use of that image was intended to convey the idea that APF is being a good corporate citizen by coming in and being able to help the town economically.
The attempt, however, fell flat. City officials made them remove the decals from the vehicles.
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