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Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 9/29/2009 10:31:07 AM
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Mrs.Noah
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I placed this here rather than in the books section because I'm thinking this is a must read book for all ministry leaders. I checked and did not see any discussion of it elsewhere. I have not read the book but have heard Ken discuss the book. What I want to know is if when he is talking about the huge number of young people that leave the church is he talking about them leaving because they become atheists or do they remain believers, and are just not having needs met. He placed the 1000 young people he interviewed (from conservative churches) into subgroups, one group being those that still go to church at Christmas and Easter and another group being those that never go to church. The C and E Christians are still interested in church and would return if they were invited back. Those that were asked what they miss most about church said the top thing was Bible teaching, and at the bottom of the list was music. That was very interesting. Ken said something else that was very disturbing that being that those that never go to church are "gone" and probably won't return short of a miracle of God.
That disturbed me greatly because I have a 24 yo old son attending a very liberal university, and just recently he announced that he has become an atheist. He has been in SS and church his whole life, went to Christian school and made a profession of faith in HS. He had a very close walk with God for several years and then apparently he began doubting his faith while sitting under many ungodly professors. I am clinging to Prov. 22:6, trusting that he will return to God one day. I guess the operative words in Ken's statement are "miracle of God," and I realize that is what it will take to get my son's attention.
I guess I also want to know if Ken makes any recommendation as to what can be done to prevent this mass exit among young people. I feel like a lot of Christians are not aware of the statistics presented in this book.
Hope there is someone out there who will be willing to discuss the book with me.
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RE: Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 9/29/2009 10:52:45 AM
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benelchi
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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Noah
I placed this here rather than in the books section because I'm thinking this is a must read book for all ministry leaders. I checked and did not see any discussion of it elsewhere. I have not read the book but have heard Ken discuss the book. What I want to know is if when he is talking about the huge number of young people that leave the church is he talking about them leaving because they become atheists or do they remain believers, and are just not having needs met. He placed the 1000 young people he interviewed (from conservative churches) into subgroups, one group being those that still go to church at Christmas and Easter and another group being those that never go to church. The C and E Christians are still interested in church and would return if they were invited back. Those that were asked what they miss most about church said the top thing was Bible teaching, and at the bottom of the list was music. That was very interesting. Ken said something else that was very disturbing that being that those that never go to church are "gone" and probably won't return short of a miracle of God.
That disturbed me greatly because I have a 24 yo old son attending a very liberal university, and just recently he announced that he has become an atheist. He has been in SS and church his whole life, went to Christian school and made a profession of faith in HS. He had a very close walk with God for several years and then apparently he began doubting his faith while sitting under many ungodly professors. I am clinging to Prov. 22:6, trusting that he will return to God one day. I guess the operative words in Ken's statement are "miracle of God," and I realize that is what it will take to get my son's attention.
I guess I also want to know if Ken makes any recommendation as to what can be done to prevent this mass exit among young people. I feel like a lot of Christians are not aware of the statistics presented in this book.
Hope there is someone out there who will be willing to discuss the book with me.
I personally haven't read this book, but much of the information you communicated in your post aligns with studies conducted by the Barna group; however, I have read a good deal of Ken Ham's writings am disturbed by how often he plays fast and loose with the facts. I would recommend checking any cited references (if he actually cites them) before accepting the conclusions he presents.
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RE: Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 9/29/2009 3:20:34 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Mrs.Noah
I placed this here rather than in the books section because I'm thinking this is a must read book for all ministry leaders. I checked and did not see any discussion of it elsewhere. I have not read the book but have heard Ken discuss the book. What I want to know is if when he is talking about the huge number of young people that leave the church is he talking about them leaving because they become atheists or do they remain believers, and are just not having needs met. He placed the 1000 young people he interviewed (from conservative churches) into subgroups, one group being those that still go to church at Christmas and Easter and another group being those that never go to church. The C and E Christians are still interested in church and would return if they were invited back. Those that were asked what they miss most about church said the top thing was Bible teaching, and at the bottom of the list was music. That was very interesting. Ken said something else that was very disturbing that being that those that never go to church are "gone" and probably won't return short of a miracle of God.
That disturbed me greatly because I have a 24 yo old son attending a very liberal university, and just recently he announced that he has become an atheist. He has been in SS and church his whole life, went to Christian school and made a profession of faith in HS. He had a very close walk with God for several years and then apparently he began doubting his faith while sitting under many ungodly professors. I am clinging to Prov. 22:6, trusting that he will return to God one day. I guess the operative words in Ken's statement are "miracle of God," and I realize that is what it will take to get my son's attention.
I guess I also want to know if Ken makes any recommendation as to what can be done to prevent this mass exit among young people. I feel like a lot of Christians are not aware of the statistics presented in this book.
Hope there is someone out there who will be willing to discuss the book with me.
Personally I would have at least read a book before I would declare it is a must read for anyone…
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RE: Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 9/29/2009 3:46:09 PM
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doinkdom
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Hello...I'm pretty familiar with the book...the co-author is my boss.  We actually did the research that supports the statistics in the book.
One thing that struck me was once a college aged student gets married and has kids - they usually make their way back to church. But until then, it isn't for them and they return for their kids.
I find this sad and more evidence that there is too much segregation in our churches today...the youth are kept so separate they have their own services, etc and never become part of the larger body to learn how to serve and to be actively participating. That separateness stays with them as soon as they are too old for youth group. They don't have a place to fit. They don't know where to go so they go...nowhere.
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RE: Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 9/29/2009 4:41:35 PM
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Lapidoth
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What's the actual title.
I know I haven't heard of it,
but am familiar with other statistics.
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RE: Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 9/29/2009 4:54:23 PM
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doinkdom
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Book Title is Already Gone
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Thanksgiving dinners take eighteen hours to prepare.
They are consumed in twelve minutes.
Half-times take twelve minutes.
This is not coincidence.
~Erma Bombeck
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RE: Any ministry leaders read Ken Ham's book Already Gone - 10/12/2009 11:48:42 AM
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coolfamily6
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I have gone to Barnes and Noble to order this book because I heard it discussed by a local youth pastor (not mine). I wanted to read it then possibly pass it on to my pastor. Our youth group is all about fun and games with some gospel thrown in. Our pastor has a heart for God. I just think he is deceived about how to reach these kids. My kids for the most part have come to worship with us as a family all of their lives, I hate to see that getting watered down in middle and high school.
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