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Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensive to... - 7/11/2008 9:26:19 PM
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PrexicKehdaki
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Here's an article I found interesting..
here it is.
Apparently a student took a Eucharist "hostage" for some time, then returned it. He claims to be getting death threats and the Catholics want actions to be taken against him.
Are these people over reacting? Under reacting? Or acting justifiable?
Overlying question: What is sacrilege or offensive to you? What do you let slide? What do you need to say "Excuse me, that offends me" to? What do you feel should be an acceptable Christian-like stance on this? Feel free to support yourself Biblically.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/11/2008 9:33:29 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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ORIGINAL: PrexicKehdaki
Here's an article I found interesting..
Apparently a student took a Eucharist "hostage" for some time, then returned it. He claims to be getting death threats and the Catholics want actions to be taken against him.
Are these people over reacting? Under reacting? Or acting justifiable?
Overlying question: What is sacrilege or offensive to you? What do you let slide? What do you need to say "Excuse me, that offends me" to? What do you feel should be an acceptable Christian-like stance on this? Feel free to support yourself Biblically.
:-)
I don't know what to think about that story, but it is definitely a little odd. Having grown up Catholic, I could see why the uproar over it, but I still don't understand why.
As to what offends me, it is odd that you would ask this today, because I just had something happen to me at work that offended me as a Christian. I have a topic for my own post in mind, but I will give a little info here.
I get offended now when I see someone wearing a cross, or who has a tattoo of a cross, yet they don't understand the meaning of the cross. It is like a fashion accessory to them, no big deal. This never used to bother me, but now the cross means so much to me, that I get upset, and or offended when I see someone wearing one who doesn't understand the significance of it. I am probably over reacting, but this is how I feel, and one thing that offends me.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/11/2008 10:43:18 PM
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This seems a little crazy to me. I would think that this should be a private matter between the RC Church and the student. I don't understand how the university should in any way expect to take any action or get involved. If this is a sacrilege according to RC doctrine, then so be it, but a "hate crime"? To call this any type of crime seems to imply that we are living in some type of theocracy, which, thankfully, the United States is not.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/11/2008 10:45:04 PM
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PrexicKehdaki
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This seems a little crazy to me. I would think that this should be a private matter between the RC Church and the student. I don't understand how the university should in any way expect to take any action or get involved. If this is a sacrilege according to RC doctrine, then so be it, but a "hate crime"? To call this any type of crime seems to imply that we are living in some type of theocracy, which, thankfully, the United States is not.
I agree.
What would constitute a hate crime in your opinion?
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 5:04:42 AM
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The comedy duo "God's Pottery", recently made popular by the TV show "The Last Comic Standing" offends me. I'm pretty used to seeing Christians stereo-typed in TV, movies and the media, etc. as being nerdy or disconnected from reality or universally hypocritical or all of the above. I've learned to let it slide, for the most part - even though I think it is extremely unfair. And I think that it is interesting (for lack of a better word) that we seem to be the only people group that it is considered "politically correct" to openly mock and malign. But I can take it, to a degree. For example the character Angela from "The Office" who is a hypocritical, overbearing, self-righteous, Bible-thumping idiot never really bothered me. Perhaps it would, if the whole show revolved around her and the obvious anti-christian sentiment of the writers... but it doesn't, so I don't let it get to me. But God's Pottery, on the other hand, really rubbed me the wrong way.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 8:49:12 AM
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If you belonged to a religion that believed the wafer truly became the body of Christ upon blessing, I can see where they would be upset, it goes beyond disrespecting a religion. For it to be a hate crime though, I think there would have to be malicious intent and I just see a stupid kid doing a stupid thing.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 9:46:26 AM
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PrexicKehdaki
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The comedy duo "God's Pottery", recently made popular by the TV show "The Last Comic Standing" offends me. I'm pretty used to seeing Christians stereo-typed in TV, movies and the media, etc. as being nerdy or disconnected from reality or universally hypocritical or all of the above. I've learned to let it slide, for the most part - even though I think it is extremely unfair. And I think that it is interesting (for lack of a better word) that we seem to be the only people group that it is considered "politically correct" to openly mock and malign. But I can take it, to a degree. For example the character Angela from "The Office" who is a hypocritical, overbearing, self-righteous, Bible-thumping idiot never really bothered me. Perhaps it would, if the whole show revolved around her and the obvious anti-christian sentiment of the writers... but it doesn't, so I don't let it get to me. But God's Pottery, on the other hand, really rubbed me the wrong way.
I just looked them up. They aren't very funny.. I hate singing comedians (with the exception of Tim Minchin)
I've never noticed much anti-christian sentiment from the writers of The Office. I'm not sure I even knew Angela was a Christian. :P
Do you have any examples from that show?
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 11:50:12 AM
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That particular instance mentioned in the article doesn't offend me or strike me as sacrilegeous, but then again, I don't subscribe to the doctrine of transubstantiation (communion bread and wine becoming the actual body and blood of Jesus). I can see how it might cause an uproar in a church that did follow that doctrine. Calling it a hate crime is a little strong, though. I think to call it a hate crime, there would have had to be some sort of intentional desecration of the wafer involved (although to someone who does believe the wafer is the actual body of Jesus, maybe this does look like desecration to them).
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 11:59:05 AM
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I'm pretty thick skinned and just consider the source. Timing is everything; when a bitter or sarcastic I will challenge that notion with, 'Oh! you are familiar with...their ministry/effort/etc.? Tell me about it.' That usually shuts them up.
PS: If I challenge bitterness I need to have correct and current information of their ministry.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 12:46:02 PM
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SavedByGraceMD, I hear what you are saying - I feel that way too - especially when I see celebrities wearing crosses and knowing their lifestyles. However, I try to remember that a cross is simply a symbol and not soemthing we worship. I look at those crosses as reminders of what Jesus did for me and I am thrilled that what one person wears as jewelry (or decoration) can be a reminder to Chrisitans that Jesus loves us and He loves the wearer. Maybe we should look at it as a reminder to witness to these people!
What offends me? So-called Christian leaders who are teaching a false doctrine and those people who follow them because they don't take the time to research and find the Truth.
As a former Catholic, I can understand Catholics being upset but I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Whatever happen to living at peace with everyone, especially tose of the faith?
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 3:06:51 PM
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Institutional/organisational/governmental/societital/mans arrogance and injustice.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 6:19:06 PM
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When I first read the thread title I thought it was going to be about some militant black organization kidnapping some white man.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 8:05:13 PM
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When I first read the thread title I thought it was going to be about some militant black organization kidnapping some white man.
LOL
Hm, maybe I should have said 'wafer'.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/12/2008 11:43:58 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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When I first read the thread title I thought it was going to be about some militant black organization kidnapping some white man.
LOL, HA, so did I.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 8:59:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: PrexicKehdaki
Are these people over reacting? Under reacting? Or acting justifiable?
Overlying question: What is sacrilege or offensive to you? What do you let slide? What do you need to say "Excuse me, that offends me" to? What do you feel should be an acceptable Christian-like stance on this? Feel free to support yourself Biblically.
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Well, never having been Catholic, I don't understand such hubbub and I think that calling it a hate crime is way over the top. It looks like trying to jump on the proverbial band waggon in order to gain some sympathy or some personal retribution.
As far as what offends me, no matter what the general populace may do, 99% of the people don't intend to be offensive, in my opinion. Most people, once they learn the reasoning behind something, are both thoughtful and kind. If something offends me, most of the time, that is because I have a personal agenda. For example, I am personally offended when I see someone litter. Litter is stupid and intentional ignorance. G-d's world deserves to be treated well, and if there is no respect for Him, then at least respect people enough not to litter.
As far as religious ideas that personally offend me, perhaps I should mention I am offended when other believers get bitter and nasty when criticizing the religious practices of other believers. Yeah, that is very offensive. But if someone took some of my Sabbath challah and carted it off, I would more likely say, "Wait! Take some butter, too!"
Support it biblically? How about "be kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another as Messiah forgave you."
But if I thought that the little wafer contained the body of Messiah, and someone took it and returned it, I would think that gratefulness would be in order. If the person took it and ate it, that is what people do in churches all the time. If someone took it and deliberately destroyed it, that would be their religious problem and not something that I should take vengeance for. Reference? "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay" -- if it is something that offends Me.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 9:29:32 AM
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The only thing that offends me is how the Body of Christ --The Church, not the wafer -- could backlash and judge (cf. "hate crime") some kid for making a mistake. . . instead of wrapping their forgiven arms of love around him and teaching him and showing him the proper way and explaining why they see it as being incorrect actions.
Shame on you, Church.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 10:04:57 AM
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When I first read the thread title I thought it was going to be about some militant black organization kidnapping some white man.
Oh, my! Similar thoughts crossed my mind!
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 2:35:47 PM
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My husband and I are both former Catholics and can not understand the hooplah that the RC have created out of this event.
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The only thing that offends me is how the Body of Christ --The Church, not the wafer -- could backlash and judge (cf. "hate crime") some kid for making a mistake. . . instead of wrapping their forgiven arms of love around him and teaching him and showing him the proper way and explaining why they see it as being incorrect actions.
Shame on you, Church.
How very well said.
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But if someone took some of my Sabbath challah and carted it off, I would more likely say, "Wait! Take some butter, too!"
We also found much amusement in this!
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 3:53:19 PM
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I dont get offended by much. But I do have to say that when I have values based on my Christian beliefs and get labeled a bigot or a hate-monger for not saying that sin is OK, that offends me. And im not talking like preaching through the streets. Just basic stances for the Bible that get me labeled intolerant. However, Im thinking its something I will ahve to get used to.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 4:29:18 PM
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I dont get offended by much. But I do have to say that when I have values based on my Christian beliefs and get labeled a bigot or a hate-monger for not saying that sin is OK, that offends me. And im not talking like preaching through the streets. Just basic stances for the Bible that get me labeled intolerant. However, Im thinking its something I will ahve to get used to.
Is this just a general comment, or is it in fact concerning the issue we are speaking of?
If it is about this news story, the only sin I see in it is not the boy running off with a cracker. . .it's the Church who refuses to forgive and love him, and instead, persecutes.
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RE: Cracker held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensiv... - 7/13/2008 6:38:59 PM
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I dont get offended by much. But I do have to say that when I have values based on my Christian beliefs and get labeled a bigot or a hate-monger for not saying that sin is OK, that offends me. And im not talking like preaching through the streets. Just basic stances for the Bible that get me labeled intolerant. However, Im thinking its something I will ahve to get used to.
Is this just a general comment, or is it in fact concerning the issue we are speaking of?
If it is about this news story, the only sin I see in it is not the boy running off with a cracker. . .it's the Church who refuses to forgive and love him, and instead, persecutes.
Sorry, this was just in general "what offends you" answer. I get offended by people negating my opinions because of my belief system. Regarding the article, I think the church is over-reacting.
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RE: Wafer held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensive ... - 7/13/2008 7:54:58 PM
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Oops! I used the term "crackah," I think, not long ago on CW! As far as the "cracker" used in the title, I didn't think anything of it, honestly. I am not terrifically schooled in these things.
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RE: Wafer held hostage: What is sacrilege or offensive ... - 7/13/2008 9:17:47 PM
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It's still showing up as "Cracker held hostage" for me if you changed or meant to change it.
No, as far as I know it's not a TOS violation. You just asked in the OP what one finds offensive and I answered.
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I didn't know that.. mainly since I've heard Catholics call it a cracker.