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Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 10:38:20 AM
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selahgirl
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BEAUTIFUL IN THE PUREST SENSE of the word. It really speaks to that spirit of unity that the Spirit of God is calling the Church to. Clean yourself up and stand by your family in Christ. With all our imperfections and failures... choose to be strong, choose to stand in the gap, choose to say no to sin, choose to not let go of Christ or your brother or those who have fallen and seem lost ♥
Everyone needs someone to stand by them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g7QTr1rzBk
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 11:55:46 AM
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I have a question for you. What do you believe? 
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 12:35:38 PM
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I believe that God loves ppl, that he wants to bring them to a place of wholeness physically and spiritually because he created them as a loving Father but they have strayed away. I believe that he lets us choose who we will serve, who we want to call our Father, that he gave everything possible, his Son, his life, his all... to keep us from being separated for eternity from his love and his goodness.
I think every person in the world is beautiful to him, and he will not rest until he has exhausted every means to redeem them to the family of God thru Jesus Christ, the Savior of the World.
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 12:54:44 PM
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Uhhh......finding this very humanistic and not really scriptural....sorry selahgirl....I don't agree
Where does it say in Scripture that every person in the world is beautiful to God?
What God created, He was pleased with....enter sin........Jesus had to die to satisfy the holy righteousness of God....not because people are beautiful
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 12:58:29 PM
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What do you stand on?
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 1:32:24 PM
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wow... I think God loves everyone... whether he has to separate himself from us or not, whether we break his heart or not, whether we choose hell or not... I think he hates sin, but loves ppl.
Everything about Christ in Scripture models that to me... but maybe I missed something. idk.
When he longed to hold Jerusalem even tho he knew how she would reject him.
When he washed the feet of Judas with the same measure of love and mercy that he washed Peter and John's.
When he died on the cross and asked the Father to forgive us...
When he rose from the dead and sent a message to Peter...
When he sat in the tax collectors house immersed in an atmosphere of sin and sinners, and yet loved them in their yuck and filth in an attempt to save them.
yes... I believe the Bible endorses hating sin, but loving ppl at all times, no matter their choices.
you can disagree... I'm ok with that... hehe... I still love you <3
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 1:37:49 PM
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 1:40:34 PM
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God was pleased with his creation... but it was so much more than that when you're talking about ppl.
God loves us... when you truly love, you see the beauty of that person, how very precious their soul is, that life is...
God hates and judges sin, but he loves ppl.
If we refuse to be set free from the sin that has entered the world when he burns it up... he lets us go to hell with it. We get to choose. He made a way so we do not have to be separated from him, so we do not have to remain chained to that sin, a slave to it... it's a matter of whether we are willing to receive that gift of freedom, that heritage of love and hope, that privilege of eternity in his presence.
... but god loves ppl, all ppl, I will never doubt that because Scripture convinces me of it.
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 1:44:51 PM
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 1:47:44 PM
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I have prayed to God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all my life... 44 years.
I have known Christ as my personal savior since 1986.
It's been a little while... and a very wild ride with these ppl called the Church ^_^
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 1:56:08 PM
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I encourage you to watch the video again... and ask the Lord to say something... anything...
The beauty of mankind... ppl around the world caught up in one heart... a desire and a cry for someone to stand beside them... to love them... it's not so much a profession of Christianity... it's a glimpse of how much God loves us, why he came, why he went to such lengths to appeal to us to choose to live and to love, to be like him, to be with him...
That empty space in all of us to just know that someone genuine cares, someone genuinely loves us despite our imperfections and differences...
It is afterall... his kindness that leads us to repentance.
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 2:00:40 PM
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44 years is a long time, I have respect for that.
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 2:07:07 PM
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Hey I have teens and college age children, and I know alot of ppl in this young generation that have earned a great respect from me...
following Christ is a difficult thing, a war zone, not a picnic, I'm really proud of this generation of the church. Things are heating up, and it's a scary world.
That's why I love the lines in this song that talk about not being afraid as long as that friend/family/love is standing beside them. This is the only hope of the church, to love God and love ppl, and that means standing by them no matter what comes our way, no matter how we fail each other... there is forgiveness when we confess our sins... we can get up when we fall and still be loved... that's what Christ came to tell us. He made a Way for that to happen =)
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 2:11:30 PM
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 2:16:44 PM
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Gotta go, my daughter just got home with a friend from college and I haven't seen her all day. Love to you. Have an amazing week ^_^
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/27/2009 2:21:26 PM
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I agree with Selahgirl~
I believed that for years and still do. But I also learned that many folks, Christians included choose to see the negative(whether it is their sin or a fault) about a person, instead of taking the time to see something good about or in them.
People are too quick to judge without learning. BTDT
I received the video in my e-mail a while ago, thanx for the reminder
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/28/2009 8:22:28 PM
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I think every person in the world is beautiful to him, and he will not rest until he has exhausted every means to redeem them to the family of God thru Jesus Christ, the Savior of the World.
I do not believe this is true. Again, this is a humanist viewpoint of people. You may also think all people are beautiful. The only way God can stand any of us, is because of the blood shed by His Son...yes...He did that out of love....
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I believe the Bible endorses hating sin, but loving ppl at all times, no matter their choices.
you can disagree... I'm ok with that... hehe... I still love you <3
Well....God is revealed in both the Old and the New Testaments...and even though we might not like His intolerance of sin, thousands were wiped out because of their godlessness at God's command......He is still that Holy...as I stated, only through the blood of Jesus can any of us approach Him.
Lovely prose you wrote...however, you did not supply Scripture to back any of it up. As I asked.........
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/28/2009 8:26:19 PM
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I agree with Selahgirl~
I believed that for years and still do. But I also learned that many folks, Christians included choose to see the negative(whether it is their sin or a fault) about a person, instead of taking the time to see something good about or in them.
People are too quick to judge without learning. BTDT
I received the video in my e-mail a while ago, thanx for the reminder
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I don't choose to see the negative...I want to understand God's perspective, as revealed in Scritpure....not gooey feelings that change from day to day. But that's fine......
The Bible actually declares that no one at all is 'good.' So, you see, what we think is good, is not what God thinks is good. Frankly, none of us can love anyone without the love of God first abiding in us. Love is more than an emotion. Waaay more...Jesus did not really want to go to the cross....but anyway, it's all in the Bible
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/28/2009 11:29:52 PM
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Hey if your gonna quote me, quote my references to Scripture too ^_^
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wow... I think God loves everyone... whether he has to separate himself from us or not, whether we break his heart or not, whether we choose hell or not... I think he hates sin, but loves ppl.
Everything about Christ in Scripture models that to me... but maybe I missed something. idk.
When he longed to hold Jerusalem even tho he knew how she would reject him.
When he washed the feet of Judas with the same measure of love and mercy that he washed Peter and John's.
When he died on the cross and asked the Father to forgive us...
When he rose from the dead and sent a message to Peter...
When he sat in the tax collectors house immersed in an atmosphere of sin and sinners, and yet loved them in their yuck and filth in an attempt to save them.
yes... I believe the Bible endorses hating sin, but loving ppl at all times, no matter their choices.
you can disagree... I'm ok with that... hehe... I still love you <3
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/29/2009 8:48:15 AM
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Where in Scripture does it say God thinks everyone is beautiful? THAT, is what I would like Scripture on. Musings of the beauty of God's creation are very nice, but when it comes to people, I would like to know where you get the idea that God thinks everyone is beautiful?
He loves them yes...
I was not quoting you at all. Just waiting for that passage from Scripture to back up what you are saying. This, for example:
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The beauty of mankind...
Now here is what the Bible actually says:
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1
And, there are mutliple scriptures dealing with the nature of mankind....not beautiful at all. That is the way people actually appear to God and not as beautiful....
And as far as your"wow I think God loves everyone" ....you write as though you think I do not think that. The Bible says He does, therefore I believe He does. So please, let's not patronize me.
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/29/2009 10:22:00 AM
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there are phrases and words that are not quoted in Scripture and yet "invisible qualities" of God are still revealed... such as the Trinity. If you are wanting to banter back and forth with chapter and verse, not that that's what you want, but if that is your intent... because that is my impression, tho I could be mistaken... I feel led to not volley a passage back at you at this point. Tho I have been known to from time to time, just depends on the moment of dialog and the method God puts on my heart. From the appearance of things... I think you are well acquainted with the Scripture already and quoting them would only prevent you from hearing me as a person.
Which is kind of a catch 22 in a sense because if anyone is going to claim to follow Christ's example and truly LOVE... you have to see and hear me as a person to effectively communicate the Gospel. Again... I don't have chapter and verse for that... but consider the woman at the well and the many ppl that Christ hung around getting to know, being near, before speaking directly to their heart. He asked them things, he listened, and then he led them to the answers with his words. He NEVER ignored the things they said or tried to communicate otherwise, whether he agreed with them or not. His heart was either to move them away from darkness/ignorance, or away from cold/dead religion, but the intent was always to bring them back to how much God loves them. Some church ppl he debated to the point of name-calling, others he reasoned with and caused them to THINK about what the law was saying in their hearts as well as on the page/scroll.
Scripture speaks to the whole person, physical and spiritual, inside and out, the visible words and the invisible that the Spirit of God was sent to communicate. Satan breaks off a piece of God's communication and separates it from the whole, because it is easier to distort. But God says to clean the inside of the cup and the outside, the seen and the unseen, the obvious and the deeper things.
Scripture is not dead ink on a page, it is the breath and Spirit of God speaking Truth into a world that has erred from that center. Some have leaned to the right and sound really good with their arguments and others have leaned to the left and blatantly contradict the Truth of God. But there is a center that is Christ and he took the time to send the Comforter
to walk beside us to bring Scripture to our remembrance,
to help us with groanings as we intercede about things we must walk in faith concerning,
and to help us to contemplate the choice set before us...
to THINK about all that God has said and done and commanded,
to reason together with the Spirit of God about our Sin and our Commission.
Words... I love them... but even Scripture acknowledges that there is so much more that God would have liked to have put in chapter and verse but there just wasn't room for it all. He gave us the handbook, the core, the heart, the outline, the basics, the foundation.... and he sent his Holy Spirit to fine tune the rest as we walk thru life and run SMACK into questions along the way... ALWAYS aligning with his Word.
But there will not always be chapter and verse for every thought and description and revelation to be quoted word for word in a debate or a friendly chat. I don't have to convince you that God loves every person and sees some form of beauty in each of them... I only have to be a witness of what God has put in my heart after devouring his word, petitioning him in prayer, walking beside ppl that he has placed in my heart, and doing my best to obey the leading of his Spirit as he interprets it all to me in practical - real life - here and now - terms.
I'm sorry if I come across as patronizing, I could see how you could feel that from my style of conversating =)
But that is no where in my heart, truly, and I am sorry if I made you feel that way.
There is no one good, no one, save One, and that is Jesus Christ. We all have our ugly side, every person on the face of this earth... but I truly believe that there is a beauty to the human spirit that grieves God to have to destroy, not just as a whole, but in each unique and precious life that he called by name. He formed each of us in great detail in the heart and mind and throne room of God, and then he formed a body for us and knit us together... all in our mother's womb. He breathed life into each of us, that first kiss of our existence... how could he not see beauty in a child that he loves to that extreme? He took so much time and effort and affection to create us, he was sorrowed at our rebellion and fall, and yet even in our sin... he was willing to give ALL to redeem us back to him. I just don't believe that he looked at us in our sin (and looks at us in our sin today) and didn't see some measure of beauty. I truly believe that he sees the plans he has made for each of us, our potential, what he originally designed us to be, our beauty... even tho it may be slathered up with our yuck. He is able to separate us from that yuck, to make us wholly beautiful.
That's the Gospel, the good news, even tho we are that ugly annoying bad puppy or even that big bad stubborn wolf that bites... there is a beauty and a potential in all of us that God sees as he fights for us. He fights for the lost, and he fights for the saved. He puts evil in it's place on both counts, to be sure that we have a chance to manifest the beauty and potential that he sees in each of us... and that only comes thru faith in Jesus Christ, and the daily renewing of our minds thru the Word of God and the leading of His Holy Spirit. The inward change first, and then the gradual outward reflection as others begin to see that authentic and miraculous change within.
There's just not a formula or a specific chapter and verse that can sum up what God is doing and saying in any instance. If there was He would have given us a booklet instead of the Bible... altho even that is less than a booklet compared to all that is in his heart that he wants to say to us every single day, in every situation of life. It is the Word of Truth coupled with the Spirit of Truth that is our guide and our comfort. You can never look to one without the other, or error is at the door. That is what each of us as Christians struggles with from time to time... maintaining the WHOLE TRUTH of God. All too often, we leave out the importance of Scripture or we leave out the role of the Holy Spirit... and then we hit that wall. I know that and I still end up picking myself up off the ground after running smack into it.
God loves ppl, and sees a beauty in each of us, sinner or saint.
When you love someone, you see a measure of beauty.
I will always believe that.
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/29/2009 5:13:06 PM
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[quote/]ORIGINAL: solarflare
I don't choose to see the negative...I want to understand God's perspective, as revealed in Scritpure....not gooey feelings that change from day to day. But that's fine......
The Bible actually declares that no one at all is 'good.' So, you see, what we think is good, is not what God thinks is good. Frankly, none of us can love anyone without the love of God first abiding in us. Love is more than an emotion. Waaay more...Jesus did not really want to go to the cross....but anyway, it's all in the Bible[/quote]
Solarflare~
Where in my post did I ever mention once about "gooey feelings" or even "warm fuzzies" for that matter? That's because I did not, I just simply choose to see good even if it is one thing, that allows me to keep peace with myself and God whose commandment is to love thy neighbor.
The way I see it the 10 commandments are broken down as Jesus explained: Commandments 1-5 = Love God ;commandments 6-10 = Love thy neighbor.
I have seen people in all forms, from a business aspect, family aspect, and sickness aspect, homeless aspect, etc.. and everyone has a story to tell and it has nothing to do with emotions, but a way of life.
I agree Jesus did not want to go to the cross, but what man or woman for that matter in the flesh wants to be on death row--- No one! ( and yes I understand that Jesus is sinless) and we are sinner, but it doesn't negate the fact that if someone took the time they can find something good about someone else.
And if we can not find something good, then why bother having any ministries that help others, since we are all bad apples?
CMT
ps: I have never been so insulted in all my life. I had posted a prayer for a newcomer only to have it deleted, soo what's up with that?
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/30/2009 9:16:53 AM
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[quote/]ORIGINAL: solarflare
I don't choose to see the negative...I want to understand God's perspective, as revealed in Scritpure....not gooey feelings that change from day to day. But that's fine......
The Bible actually declares that no one at all is 'good.' So, you see, what we think is good, is not what God thinks is good. Frankly, none of us can love anyone without the love of God first abiding in us. Love is more than an emotion. Waaay more...Jesus did not really want to go to the cross....but anyway, it's all in the Bible
Solarflare~
Where in my post did I ever mention once about "gooey feelings" or even "warm fuzzies" for that matter? That's because I did not, I just simply choose to see good even if it is one thing, that allows me to keep peace with myself and God whose commandment is to love thy neighbor.
The way I see it the 10 commandments are broken down as Jesus explained: Commandments 1-5 = Love God ;commandments 6-10 = Love thy neighbor.
I have seen people in all forms, from a business aspect, family aspect, and sickness aspect, homeless aspect, etc.. and everyone has a story to tell and it has nothing to do with emotions, but a way of life.
I agree Jesus did not want to go to the cross, but what man or woman for that matter in the flesh wants to be on death row--- No one! ( and yes I understand that Jesus is sinless) and we are sinner, but it doesn't negate the fact that if someone took the time they can find something good about someone else.
And if we can not find something good, then why bother having any ministries that help others, since we are all bad apples?
CMT
ps: I have never been so insulted in all my life. I had posted a prayer for a newcomer only to have it deleted, soo what's up with that?
The problem is people taking things personally that were not addressed to them...I only responded to a small portion of what u wrote, the rest I was just writing generally.
Never been so insulted in your whole life? Gee...you need to get out more ....... 
Don't know or have any idea what prayer post you are talking about...only the mods can modify another's post......
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/30/2009 9:49:14 AM
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My teens tease me, cuz every time I find a song or a worship cd that God speaks to me thru... I loop it like crazy. I have listened to this video... well... alot... haha... not sure how many times actually. But my daughter walked into the room the other day and said... "you're still watching that same video?" cuz I had looped it all morning as she was getting ready for classes =)
I like soaking in things that minister to me.
Sometimes things can get boring and I always welcome the new and cutting edge... but I definitely don't have a short attention span with such things.
Several college age and teen ppl that I know are interested in sound/audio engineering and putting together things like this artistically and for ministry... I am really excited for them, especially if it ends up with opportunities for travel and missions. I prefer to be a cricket on the hearth so to speak, but I will definitely be passionate about intercession for whatever and where ever God leads them.
Art and Communication go hand in hand with technologies and a changing society... it is encouraging and inspiring to see a generation called forward into it, equipped with so much talent/gifting, and with a passion stirred up by the heart/Spirit of God to reach a lost world. We live in exciting times... despite all the ugliness in the world... God is doing beautiful things <3
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RE: Everyone needs someone to stand by them - 10/30/2009 10:41:46 AM
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I believe that he lets us choose who we will serve, who we want to call our Father, that he gave everything possible, his Son, his life, his all... to keep us from being separated for eternity from his love and his goodness.
The problem with that is because of the Fall back in the Garden of Eden, every person is born spiritually dead. They can't choose God because dead people can't respond. Tap a corpse on the shoulder or shout in its ear - nothing happens (except you get thrown out of the funeral home  ). If He doesn't make us alive we can't respond to Him or choose Him. (Eph. 2 and Col. 2)
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I think every person in the world is beautiful to him, and he will not rest until he has exhausted every means to redeem them to the family of God thru Jesus Christ, the Savior of the World.
Are child molesters beautiful? Was Hitler beautiful? Is a person who brutally murders your children beautiful?
I'm not wishing any of this on you (heaven forbid!) but great evil exists and a person's cosmology has to deal with it. God has clearly said in the Bible that He condemns evil and not only will separate Himself from evil people in the second death but that Christians are to separate themselves from evil people in the church. 1 Cor. 5
We know this because the Bible says so. We are to abide (live, dwell) in His Word, so Christians ideally are immersing themselves daily in reading and studying and learning the Bible. The more we know, the more we line ourselves up with what God has told us. The more we read and believe it, the more we get shaped as we live it and God shapes us to be more like Him. Rom. 8: 28,29
Happy Bible reading to you, dear! God bless you!
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