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Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/19/2008 12:01:15 AM
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NightJay0044
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Hi all, if everyone has herd from Matthew 18:21-35 about forgiveness from the story of the servant who owed the king money and the servant begged the king to have patience so he wouldn't have to pay it back.
Then the king felt sorry for him so he said you didn't have to pay anything back, but then that same servant (I believe this is how it goes) went to another servent whom owed the king money and the servent threw the new servent who owed the king money into prison and other people went and told the king about this and the king said to the servant who didn't forgive the servant as I have forgiven you. He got thrown into prison and this is how God will act like towards us if we don't forgive somene 77 x 7 or however that number is.
So does this equal to all the wrong doing of any wrong doings a person does, like as in the ten commandments? But you can just forgive a person if they don't ask right? Or does it have to be under the nature of them asking? I dont' think so, because it doesn't sound healthy.
Anyways, let me know your knowledge on this chapter.
Thanks..
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RE: Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/19/2008 7:43:02 AM
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MWD
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You got the story correct enough to get the point of it.
The other person does not have to ask. You just forgive and move on. No one asked Jesus, while he was dying on the cross, for forgiveness for torturing and murdering him -- but he forgave everyone regardless.
What is the specific situation in your case?
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RE: Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/21/2008 12:13:41 AM
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NightJay0044
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No there actually isn't a specific in my life, I was just wondering how are we supposed to forgive in a lot of situation. Like my mom has mentioned, so your just supposed to forgive someone if they kick you in the leg and then keep on kicking you.
I know there's common sense, but it's hard explaining it to some people who don't get it, they think in order to forgive sometimes does that mean letting them do what they want, do you get what I mean?
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RE: Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/21/2008 7:17:14 AM
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MWD
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Ah. Now we've got some meat to this thing.
Forgiveness and self-defense are separate, unrelated concepts, I think. I have to believe there's already something in the archives on this, but I haven't looked. If there isn't, then thread_throbber_enable=1, 'cause this is gonna be a hot one.
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RE: Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/21/2008 12:30:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: NightJay0044
No there actually isn't a specific in my life, I was just wondering how are we supposed to forgive in a lot of situation. Like my mom has mentioned, so your just supposed to forgive someone if they kick you in the leg and then keep on kicking you.
I know there's common sense, but it's hard explaining it to some people who don't get it, they think in order to forgive sometimes does that mean letting them do what they want, do you get what I mean?
I struggle with this, too (being from an abusive background) but MWD hit the bull's eye about Jesus forgiving us when we were dead in our sin and couldn't ask for forgiveness yet. But notice John 16: 8,9: people who aren't forgiven by God (salvation) are those who don't believe in Christ (that He is God who has forgiven sin by His death and resurrection). God supernaturally makes us alive so we can see that we sinned against Him and that He forgave it. When we say, "God forgave my sin" we show that we are His, supernaturally alive and saved.
When we forgive we are set free from the tyranny of the person who injured us. Sometimes we have to forgive over and over as the feelings run over us, and I don't understand all that is happening there. But forgiveness doesn't include lying down in the driveway of the person who has run over us so they can do it again.
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RE: Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/21/2008 2:41:34 PM
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You can forgive someone and still set healthy boundaries (i.e. walk away from someone who is kicking you but still forgive them). I think it means that we are to hold no anger, resentment and bitterness over what someone has done to us but if it's something that keeps happening then we need to put a stop to it (set boundary). Like if a husband beats his wife she needs to forgive him but that doesn't mean she needs to continue to live with him and let him beat her.
ETA: I think that forgiveness can sometimes be a long process and that's not necessarily a bad thing. God is using the situation to help you learn and grow in your walk with Him.
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RE: Forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-35) - 7/21/2008 5:00:05 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: NightJay0044
Hi all, if everyone has herd from Matthew 18:21-35 about forgiveness from the story of the servant who owed the king money and the servant begged the king to have patience so he wouldn't have to pay it back.
Then the king felt sorry for him so he said you didn't have to pay anything back, but then that same servant (I believe this is how it goes) went to another servent whom owed the king money and the servent threw the new servent who owed the king money into prison and other people went and told the king about this and the king said to the servant who didn't forgive the servant as I have forgiven you. He got thrown into prison and this is how God will act like towards us if we don't forgive somene 77 x 7 or however that number is. quote:
The king didn't feel sorry for him, the king was Merciful towards him. This servant could never repay what he owed.
So when this servant was unmerciful towards his servant and the king learned of it, the king then in turn bestowed that measure to the servant that owed him.
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So does this equal to all the wrong doing of any wrong doings a person does, like as in the ten commandments? But you can just forgive a person if they don't ask right? Or does it have to be under the nature of them asking? I dont' think so, because it doesn't sound healthy.
It shows how merciful God is towards us, we can never repay Him. and we are to be merciful towards others in our forgiveness.
Jesus also said, We are to forgive so that the Heavenly Father will forgive you (us).
However if someone forgives and the receiver continues in their ways, yes forgive, but part from their company. As someone said earlier, Set up Boundaries.
I come from a very abusive backround and I had to set up boundaries as to not allow the cycle to continue.
If it is neccessary to not even be in the company then do so.
Blessings
CRH
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