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Help Please - 4/20/2007 12:19:45 PM
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tbay2005
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A friend and I got to discussing the Bible and God and his response to me was:
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"What are you talking about? Have you gone completely nuts. The Bible is full of stuff that contradicts itself. The Church is all about money and Science has disproved most if not all of the Bibles' or more specifically its supporters beliefs."
I was wondering if you would be able to help me respond to this. I am trying to believe and he is working against me, it would be nice if he worked with me and believed again.
Would anyone be able to help me come up with a response to his remark, struggling to believe myself I find it hard to come up with an answer for him.
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RE: Help Please - 4/20/2007 12:36:59 PM
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Wild-Rose
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I am trying to believe and he is working against me,
Or rather, you could look on this as a good thing. Think of it as a learning experience. Whenever someone throws out general statements like this, ask him for a specific example. Ask him to give you JUST ONE example of when or where the Bible was proven wrong.
I bet he doesn't know of any. If he does give you an answer then at least you have something specific to study, and not such a vague generalization.
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RE: Help Please - 4/20/2007 12:45:13 PM
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Say, "I'm sorry you feel that way. Can you be more specific? The key to anything can be found in two keys; context and audience. What contradiction are you speaking about?" Usually, 'they' haven't even read the Bible contextually never mind the audience.
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RE: Help Please - 4/20/2007 1:33:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: tbay2005
A friend and I got to discussing the Bible and God and his response to me was:
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"What are you talking about? Have you gone completely nuts. The Bible is full of stuff that contradicts itself. The Church is all about money and Science has disproved most if not all of the Bibles' or more specifically its supporters beliefs."
I was wondering if you would be able to help me respond to this. I am trying to believe and he is working against me, it would be nice if he worked with me and believed again.
Would anyone be able to help me come up with a response to his remark, struggling to believe myself I find it hard to come up with an answer for him.
tbay2005
You can't just believe what the world has to say. Read and study your Bible , it may appear to have contradictions if you just pick out scriptures. If you read the word as a whole, it is totally accurate.
Giving is a thing of the heart, man often sets requirements , just follow your heart and get in a church which is a true Bible teaching church.We go for our Gods word , not for the supporters beliefs. Many scientists are believers in the Word of God and only see the Bible as establishing their own ideas . Many scientific facts were first found in the Bible.
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RE: Help Please - 4/21/2007 4:01:28 PM
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Jeffreyelijah
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My friend, the OT has all come to pass except parts of Daniel, and the contradictions that apper in the Gospels, are not such, but rather imagine a car accident being reported by 4 different people, from four different angles, the story is the same, but certain aspects seem different. As far as God being disproved by science.....when a scientist can create something from nothing, have them call me, it can not be done, except by an all powerful God, who even loves the skeptic. Peace,
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RE: Help Please - 4/22/2007 7:16:07 PM
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Shadowed_Hawk_CAH
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My dad, being a Buddhist, might be a better person to ask on this, but I've spoken with him a lot on almost every issue, being rather unsuccessful in arguing the point, and not knowing anyone else who he knows that can argue with him. Honestly, a lot of the fights truly upset me, so I've just stopped trying because I don't want to start crying in my own home... Mostly, it's about the inherency of sin that we tend to get at odds over. I love him, I just don't want to deal with this. I'd rather have him accept what I believe, and he's not... I've heard somewhere that this is one of the primary feelings of Identity, and I just feel like I'm not in agreement with them, and it just disturbs me right now.
Anyways, the enlightenment, and reaching a higher level of thought is not a Christian line of thought, obviously.
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RE: Help Please - 4/23/2007 8:17:58 AM
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timf
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1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Arguing about the Bible with someone who is not a Christian can bring much frustration and heartache. The time would be better spent in prayer that God would open the heart of the other person to be stirred to seek truth.
It is the person who has an earnest desire to know truth that usually shows God's Spirit working in his heart.
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RE: Help Please - 4/23/2007 4:53:55 PM
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How true it is that if you ask these people for one example of where the Bible contradicts itself they usually look at you in dead silence because they don`t know the Bible well enough to tell you. However they may throw things at you from the Bible that seem to be contradictory. It may seem contradictory to us because we don`t fully understand its meaning to start out with. Remember, the Bible was written in a different cultural setting then what we`re used to today, and after several translation osmosises, our English words in the Bible sometimes don`t mean what we think they mean. So it`s usually we who are wrong in our interpretation of the Bible, instead of the Bible contradicting itself. In fact for a Book written by 40 different authors from different cultures and from different locations in the world over a period of 2000 years, the unity of these authors is prove to us that there must be a common Author behind this Book, and that Author is God Himself.
Concerning your friends argument that science has proved the Bible wrong may come from your friends reading anti-Christian books like "The DaVince Code" etc. Remember these books are a deception and have been proven false. Yet because of the way the authors write these books, many perceive these books as fact, thus deceiving themselves. The best way to counter-act this is by being well versed on the facts. 1 Peter 3:15 states "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
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RE: Help Please - 4/26/2007 8:35:59 PM
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spiritchsr1
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"What are you talking about? Have you gone completely nuts. The Bible is full of stuff that contradicts itself. The Church is all about money and Science has disproved most if not all of the Bibles' or more specifically its supporters beliefs."
Tbay,
Apparently your friend is a non believer. Unless you are prepared to do some serious bible study to counter his comments and confront him with biblical proof then I would stay away from him. The Bible does say not to yoke yourself with worldy people. If you are week in scripture your friend may drag you down with him and he will put doubts in your mind. ( Doubt..... This is a favorite tool of the devil).
You have a form of spiritual warefare developing here. The devil loves to use friends like that to drag you down. So unless you are really prepared to do some spiritual warefare and battle stay away from this guy.
Give this problem up to the Lord, and pray for your friend.
Spiritchsr1
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RE: Help Please - 4/26/2007 9:39:45 PM
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KingCrimson
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It seems to me your friend is a softcore atheist. His arguments don't strike me as someone who's really sat down and thought out why God can't exist. Just like how there are those who believe that some sort of God exists somewhere, maybe, and there are those who BELIEVE in the Father who sent His Son to die for our sins, there are atheists who have really thought out their denial of God and have all sorts of arguments to back it up, and there are those who just go with the flow and deny God because it's trendy. Not to be too quick to judge, but your friend does strike me as the latter. He doesn't seem to me like someone who's read the Bible, knows it inside and out, and decided "You know what, this just can't be true." He seems to me to be someone who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, he's just regurgitating things he's heard others say about Christianity (and perhaps I am wronging him in this, but these are my impressions and you may take them or leave them).
So how do you reach him? Well, you can't. God can. So, as others have said, the first and most important thing for you to do is pray. Pray that his mind might be opened to God's love, that God might bring him to the point where he's prepared to make that first "leap of faith." Pray that God might give you the wisdom to say to your friend what he needs to hear. Because we might have logic, we might have reason, we might have good arguments - but then, so do atheists. What is the one thing you have that he does not? The love of Christ. Therefore you will not reach him through any cunning arguments or smiting blows of logic, but rather through love and concern. Indeed, I would encourage not to argue with him too much, since sometimes we become so focused on winning the battle that we lose the war and their hearts become hardened towards these Christians who were so argumentative and belligerent, even if they were, perhaps, correct.
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RE: Help Please - 4/24/2008 3:37:23 PM
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BibleBear
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Your friend thinks that The Bible is not all true and The Church is about money.
Well your friend may believe this because, this is what He may have heard or read about. Upon what a person reads or hears may become their Truth. They don’t know what else to rely on. .
The Bible being at least 2000 years old seems outdated to them. In school Evolution is taught. PBS also teaches similar. And so does National Geographic. Even Time Magazine denies the Gospel of Christ. .
However The Bible tells us that in the last day’s people will no longer believe in The Truth. And the truth is therefore Jesus. The Bible also says that people would be having itching ears and believing in fables. .
We are among a society with thousands upon thousands of beliefs and ideas floating around and people trying to decide which one is true. .
Why Then is the Bible True above all books? The best answer I can give you is that “GOD is real”.
Sharing testimonies is one good way to show your friend how GOD is real and How He works in people’s lives. .
For example you prayed to GOD you tell your friend How GOD answered your prayers. It may get your friend to think. .
Romans 1verse 19 and 20 show how God shows his Qualities through his invisibility. It says they will have no excuse for not believing.
. Can science explain why the Sun is exactly 93 million Miles away from the Sun? Why does the Earth Tilt on its axis?. . How it continually spins and revolves around the sun shifting back and forth changing our seasons.
With all this to take in mind does it not seem The Earth has a mind of its own? Of course not and we know that. .
. You can tell your friend about C.S Lewis who was a once Atheist. Who not only did not believe in GOD, but went out to prove He did not exist. After C.S Lewis tried to prove GOD wrong His experiments actually proved with no doubt there was in fact A GOD. .
Tell your friend our greatest men in History were Christians and well noted today. George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Isaac Newton, Abraham Lincoln, Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein said that GOD did not just take a pair of dice and Roll them. But GOD put things in Divine order. ..
Ther is also Martin Luther King Jr. Can your friend name people more famous than these in our History??? I very much doubt it. .
God has moved these men to become what they are. God would use such people to stand out among the rest. They all have Jesus Christ in common..
You may go to a site checking out Creationism.
Creationism are those who study Archaeology History and all the Like that Prove GOD does exist.
For example The study of Evolution proves that not one fossil has changed at any time!!!. All the bones connect if there is ever a change that is called evolution. It can’t be proved. Evolution is the real Hoax. And the Lie many believe among millions of other Satan Lies. .
. Do some study time.
Also look into things like How Christians help others. Show him article of good causes that Churches do. . .
Don’t do it all at once though. Give him a little bit at a time. . It will take him to digest and think about it. But it still may or may not ever change his mind. Solely it will be your friends’ choice to Choose Jesus or not.
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RE: Help Please - 4/24/2008 5:44:56 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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ORIGINAL: Wild-Rose
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I am trying to believe and he is working against me,
Or rather, you could look on this as a good thing. Think of it as a learning experience. Whenever someone throws out general statements like this, ask him for a specific example. Ask him to give you JUST ONE example of when or where the Bible was proven wrong.
I bet he doesn't know of any. If he does give you an answer then at least you have something specific to study, and not such a vague generalization.
I was going to say something similar. What exactly has science proven to be false about the bible and what it says. If he says evolution, there are a bunch of sites that tear that apart. Archeology has actually proven very helpful to the cause of the bible and the truth it holds. You need to explain to him that he has a God given brain to do the research himself, and not to just believe what other people are saying. Get specific examples, and you can both do the research on them and then compare notes. First and foremost you need to pray for Gods guidance and he won't steer you wrong.
Good luck and God bless.
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RE: Help Please - 4/24/2008 5:55:45 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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ORIGINAL: tbay2005
A friend and I got to discussing the Bible and God and his response to me was:
quote:
"What are you talking about? Have you gone completely nuts. The Bible is full of stuff that contradicts itself. The Church is all about money and Science has disproved most if not all of the Bibles' or more specifically its supporters beliefs."
I was wondering if you would be able to help me respond to this. I am trying to believe and he is working against me, it would be nice if he worked with me and believed again.
Would anyone be able to help me come up with a response to his remark, struggling to believe myself I find it hard to come up with an answer for him.
I would also like to say, that if you are new to your faith, and are not familiar with scripture, then it may be best to stay away from him for a while, pray about it and do your own homework. You may want to read the book, The Case for Christ, which was written by a former atheist Lee Stroebel. It tells you plenty of facts supporting Christianity, and also takes apart claims of the atheist.
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