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Humans living on Mars??? - 4/9/2008 6:10:04 PM
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PNJai
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Why are some people so fixated with trying to colonize Mars (or other celestial bodies for that matter)? Do you think this is`something God will allow?
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/9/2008 11:11:36 PM
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Interesting though. Any Biblical reason you can think of as to why He wouldn't?
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/12/2008 4:17:25 AM
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Why do we want to colonize Mars? Because it's safer to not, as the old saying goes, have all of your eggs in one basket. There is evidence that the Earth undergoes dramatic change every so often; massive catastrophes that destroy all, or nearly all, life. If such a catastrophe happened right now, humanity would be over. Many people consider this a bad thing, and so wish to move off-planet.
Honestly though, the people who want to terraform other planets are going about it the wrong way. What we need to do is find a way to alter human genetics to live in different environments. It would be easier to live on (for instance) Venus, if we found a way to, genetically, let us live in hot places and breathe carbon-dioxide.
This isn't to mention the inadvertent technological benefits that would come about from the research required to perform such a feat as colonizing other planets.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/12/2008 4:10:33 PM
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DanJames
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Why do we want to colonize Mars? Because it's safer to not, as the old saying goes, have all of your eggs in one basket. There is evidence that the Earth undergoes dramatic change every so often; massive catastrophes that destroy all, or nearly all, life. If such a catastrophe happened right now, humanity would be over. Many people consider this a bad thing, and so wish to move off-planet.
Honestly though, the people who want to terraform other planets are going about it the wrong way. What we need to do is find a way to alter human genetics to live in different environments. It would be easier to live on (for instance) Venus, if we found a way to, genetically, let us live in hot places and breathe carbon-dioxide.
This isn't to mention the inadvertent technological benefits that would come about from the research required to perform such a feat as colonizing other planets.
Sounds reasonable to me. That and it would just be a huge step for mankind to conquer other planets.
Oh and, I don't.... think it's possible to breath CO2. Oxygen is kinda needed for stuff like metabolism. Even plants need oxygen. You can't just replace it.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/12/2008 8:56:55 PM
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I think they just want to host the X-Games there.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/12/2008 10:46:48 PM
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Sounds reasonable to me. That and it would just be a huge step for mankind to conquer other planets.
Oh and, I don't.... think it's possible to breath CO2. Oxygen is kinda needed for stuff like metabolism. Even plants need oxygen. You can't just replace it.
I don't mean a simple swap job, though. I'm talking about a complete re-design of the system. If we can figure out how to engineer new biological systems, it's not implausible that we could create a way in which to respirate CO2. Either that, or find a way to not have to breathe, whether through biological engineering, or through replacing those systems with a machine-based system. <Insert Borg joke>
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/13/2008 7:16:33 PM
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Sounds reasonable to me. That and it would just be a huge step for mankind to conquer other planets.
Oh and, I don't.... think it's possible to breath CO2. Oxygen is kinda needed for stuff like metabolism. Even plants need oxygen. You can't just replace it.
I don't mean a simple swap job, though. I'm talking about a complete re-design of the system. If we can figure out how to engineer new biological systems, it's not implausible that we could create a way in which to respirate CO2. Either that, or find a way to not have to breathe, whether through biological engineering, or through replacing those systems with a machine-based system. <Insert Borg joke>
<Insert hilarious retort to Borg joke here> Sounds reasonable. If plants can create artificially abundant CO2 areas within their leaves, I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to do the same with O2. It might be easier to just terra-form a planet, though.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/13/2008 7:17:45 PM
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I think they just want to host the X-Games there.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 4/18/2008 12:53:05 AM
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Let me put it this way. This is my oppinion. I look at earth as a fish bowl. The fishbowl used to be full of seaweed and lots of space, but since we keep dumping fish in the fish bowl, (people are fish) we are running out of room. We need another fish bowl, and yes I do support the whole living on mars thing. With the kind of technology we have, we'd be able to live there no problem in a few years. I want to move there, hech yeah!!!
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/4/2008 12:10:10 AM
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Why do we want to colonize Mars? Because it's safer to not, as the old saying goes, have all of your eggs in one basket. There is evidence that the Earth undergoes dramatic change every so often; massive catastrophes that destroy all, or nearly all, life. If such a catastrophe happened right now, humanity would be over. Many people consider this a bad thing, and so wish to move off-planet.
Honestly though, the people who want to terraform other planets are going about it the wrong way. What we need to do is find a way to alter human genetics to live in different environments. It would be easier to live on (for instance) Venus, if we found a way to, genetically, let us live in hot places and breathe carbon-dioxide.
This isn't to mention the inadvertent technological benefits that would come about from the research required to perform such a feat as colonizing other planets.
So it's nt okay to live on another planet but it's okay to mess with people's genetics? That really does'nt make sense. Both ways suggested are messing with mother nature, ant the way thigs are supposed to be. But as for genetics, messing with the basics of life could cause deformities and "freaks". Very, very delicate stuff.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/4/2008 2:57:54 AM
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Why do we want to colonize Mars? Because it's safer to not, as the old saying goes, have all of your eggs in one basket. There is evidence that the Earth undergoes dramatic change every so often; massive catastrophes that destroy all, or nearly all, life. If such a catastrophe happened right now, humanity would be over. Many people consider this a bad thing, and so wish to move off-planet.
Honestly though, the people who want to terraform other planets are going about it the wrong way. What we need to do is find a way to alter human genetics to live in different environments. It would be easier to live on (for instance) Venus, if we found a way to, genetically, let us live in hot places and breathe carbon-dioxide.
This isn't to mention the inadvertent technological benefits that would come about from the research required to perform such a feat as colonizing other planets.
So it's nt okay to live on another planet but it's okay to mess with people's genetics? That really does'nt make sense. Both ways suggested are messing with mother nature, ant the way thigs are supposed to be. But as for genetics, messing with the basics of life could cause deformities and "freaks". Very, very delicate stuff.
Terraform- "to alter the environment of (a celestial body) in order to make capable of supporting terrestrial life forms."
I'm saying that we should colonize other planets, because if anything happens to this one, we're all screwed. But, we shouldn't do it by terraforming. We shouldn't alter the native environment, but by altering ourselves to suit that environment. I believe it would be quicker to alter human genetics than to alter a whole planet.
As for 'freaks' being created; yes, they probably would be. There are, however, ways around such mishaps. The most obvious to my thinking is simulation. While it's beyond our capability right now, within a decade or two we should be able to fully simulate the protein folding that creates every system in the human body. If this becomes possible, we can simply make alterations in the simulation to see what would happen when we alter specific parts of the genome. Another way would be to remove the portion of the genetic code that codes for the brain. By removing the nervous system, there would be no chance of thought, and no pain involved for the subject. When we'd successfully engineered the changes we wanted, we could add those changes to functional genetics in order to create fully-formed altered-humans. I'm sure there are other ways around 'freaks' too, like rat testing.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/4/2008 9:21:02 AM
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Let me put it this way. This is my oppinion. I look at earth as a fish bowl. The fishbowl used to be full of seaweed and lots of space, but since we keep dumping fish in the fish bowl, (people are fish) we are running out of room. We need another fish bowl, and yes I do support the whole living on mars thing. With the kind of technology we have, we'd be able to live there no problem in a few years. I want to move there, hech yeah!!!
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Thats great. I am sure you will enjoy it on Mars. I hear there is a lot of rock.
Anyway, I at one time was in favor of moving off this planet, however, now I am not so sure. Just look at the alternatives and you will see that the earth is the only planet that is LIVING. Therefore, if you want to move to a dead planet or delude yourself into thinking you can turn it into a living planet then go right ahead. As for myself, I will stay put, thank you very much.
All this talk reminds me of some sceintific experiments done to see how long life could be sustained isolated from the earth environment. If I recall, they locked themsevles into this chamber for over a year and tried to grow vegetables and recycle water etc etc. However, after so long those plants seemed not to want to grow with next to no explaination. Has anyone else heard about this?
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/4/2008 9:38:53 AM
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Let me put it this way. This is my oppinion. I look at earth as a fish bowl. The fishbowl used to be full of seaweed and lots of space, but since we keep dumping fish in the fish bowl, (people are fish) we are running out of room. We need another fish bowl, and yes I do support the whole living on mars thing. With the kind of technology we have, we'd be able to live there no problem in a few years. I want to move there, hech yeah!!!
Star Warz!! AAAAAAAA!!!
Thats great. I am sure you will enjoy it on Mars. I hear there is a lot of rock.
Anyway, I at one time was in favor of moving off this planet, however, now I am not so sure. Just look at the alternatives and you will see that the earth is the only planet that is LIVING. Therefore, if you want to move to a dead planet or delude yourself into thinking you can turn it into a living planet then go right ahead. As for myself, I will stay put, thank you very much.
All this talk reminds me of some sceintific experiments done to see how long life could be sustained isolated from the earth environment. If I recall, they locked themsevles into this chamber for over a year and tried to grow vegetables and recycle water etc etc. However, after so long those plants seemed not to want to grow with next to no explaination. Has anyone else heard about this?
Yes, it was called Biosphere 2. In fact, they were never able to completely seal off the Biosphere because they could not sustain the correct balance of atmospheric gases without an external input of oxygen. And even with that, the experiment had to be cut short because plants were dying and ecosystems were failing and human health could not be maintained.
I have very serious doubts about the possibility of long-term occupation of other planets. Makes for nice science fiction reading, but not much more, yet.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/5/2008 1:36:47 AM
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Yes, it was called Biosphere 2. In fact, they were never able to completely seal off the Biosphere because they could not sustain the correct balance of atmospheric gases without an external input of oxygen. And even with that, the experiment had to be cut short because plants were dying and ecosystems were failing and human health could not be maintained.
I have very serious doubts about the possibility of long-term occupation of other planets. Makes for nice science fiction reading, but not much more, yet.
Hey, thanks for the input. With such miserable failures for a seemingly simple task it begs the question of why there is even serious sceintific discussion about being able to live for long periods of time off the planet earth. It would seem that they would at least have to have a successful Biosphere 3 before they can discuss it any further. The only alternative is to have the next Biosphere 3 be on another planet and then possibly fail. Now which scenerio would be worse I wonder?
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/5/2008 11:48:34 AM
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I think going to Mars is a great idea, especially for people who think this plant is getting a little to croweded for them. There is our nearest planet, the air is a little thin over there, plus its mostly carbon dioxide.
I'd love to see us go to mars and back to the moon, but not becuase I'm getting claustrophobic.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/5/2008 6:14:17 PM
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Why are some people so fixated with trying to colonize Mars (or other celestial bodies for that matter)?
I think that, deep down, we want to do it because it's there. The Mt. Everest argument. Why did Tony Hawk want to land the 900? Because no one had done before, and it was cool. What is cooler than living on Mars?
We can justify it with the "eggs in one basket" argument, but I really do think the major driving force right now is flat out, old fashioned, grit your teeth adventure. Do people want to become astronauts because of the cool experiments they perform in space? Not me. I want to be an astronaut for the experience of being shot into space like a Roman Candle with my hair on fire.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/5/2008 6:17:10 PM
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I don't mean a simple swap job, though. I'm talking about a complete re-design of the system. If we can figure out how to engineer new biological systems, it's not implausible that we could create a way in which to respirate CO2.
There are very few things that CO2 will react with to produce energy. Even anaerobic bacteria expell CO2 as metabolic waste. There is simply too little energy in CO2 to supply organisms with enough energy.
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RE: Humans living on Mars??? - 5/12/2008 12:43:39 AM
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I think going to Mars is a great idea, especially for people who think this plant is getting a little to croweded for them. There is our nearest planet, the air is a little thin over there, plus its mostly carbon dioxide.
I'd love to see us go to mars and back to the moon, but not becuase I'm getting claustrophobic.
Ken
I'm not convinced. There are better things we could achieve with hundreds of billions of dollars than land a couple of people on Mars. Such as fixing our wasteful use of resources and improving sustainable farming to feed the hungry, for a start.
Regards, Ian
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