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Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing?
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Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/10/2008 5:40:43 AM
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Little_1
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I have been doing a study on 'trust' during this past week. This has resulted in printing off scriptures concerning the following:
~ Trust
~ Trust in the Lord
~ Believe
I have found much encouragement and strength in the 'trust' and 'trust in the Lord' scriptures which have a 'positive emphasis'; however, something I have noticed is that the scriptures regarding the word 'believe' do not have this same positive emphasis. 
Trust
Trust in the Lord
Believe
What are your thoughts regarding this?
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/10/2008 4:16:35 PM
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Little_1
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I don't believe trust and belief are the same, e.g. I believe there are terrorists in the world but I don't trust them!
Does anyone know why the Bible mentions both believing and trusting?
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 7:40:23 AM
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Giulia
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Off the top of my head this comes to mind: Trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding.
I think trust faith and belief are the same thing. We like to split hairs because of our lack of; to justify it.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 8:58:37 AM
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ta_mosquito
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"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder." ~James 2:19
"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." ~Romans 10:9
I think there are two different uses for "believe." If I recall correctly, one of them (the saving kind) means to trust in, rely on, cling to.
So if we believe in Jesus in THAT way, yes, it's the same as trusting. But if we're talking belief as in mental assent only, then no, they're different.
SO... I voted YES and NO. 
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 9:48:25 AM
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drmark
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Can only a moderator vote twice on a poll?
As has already been stated, belief without trust is mere intellectual assent. I suggest that trust without belief is irrational psychosis. True Christian faith incorporates not only belief and trust, but also obedience. However, that issue is a topic for another thread.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 9:59:42 AM
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The Amplified Bible translates John 3: 15-16 as follows:
In order that everyone who believes in Him (who cleaves to Him, trust Him, and relies on Him) may not perish but have eternal life and (actually) live forever!
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He (even) gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whosoever believes in (trust in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
The Amplified Bible translates the word "believe" as trust, adhere to, rely on. All 98 times that believe is used in the Gospel of John it is translated in this manner. Thus "Jesus provides salvation for whoever believes in, trust in, adheres to, relies on, Him".(Amplified notes) The apparent indication in the Book of John is that belief and trust have the same meaning with only minor variations. Vincent said of "belief" in the Book of John that "It is not merely to believe the facts of His historic life or of His saving energy but to accept Him as Savior, Teacher, Sympathizer, Judge; to rest the soul upon Him for a present and future salvation and to accept and adopt His precepts and example as binding upon the life."
I can not say that belief and trust carry the same meaning in other Biblical books.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 1:06:29 PM
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what about "hope"?
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 3:21:23 PM
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Trust and belief are not the same. I recently witnessed to an individual who absolutely HATES God with a passion, might I add. Does he believe God exists??? Absolutely. He blames God for his families death, and vows he will judge God for it when he dies. So yes, he believes God exists, but does not trust Him. BIG difference.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 3:51:05 PM
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I voted No they are not the same thing. You can believe in Him and not trust Him.
There are many people who have trust issues, but it doesn't stop the Lord from doing His will or keeping His promises towards them.
Romans 10:9 state that whosoever *believes* God raised Him from the dead and confess their sins, will be saved.
v13 states anyone wo calls upon His name will be saved.
I believe satan exists, so does that mean I should trust him as well? I don't believe so
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 6:12:49 PM
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Yes, they are the same thing. You can use them interchangeably, although the use of "trust" about an object is an archaic use of the word that we don't normally use. When we use "trust" we normally mean in an object. If you are using an old version or translation of the Bible, it is probable taht you should think of them as interchangeable. If you are speaking of modern language, than they are not normally interchangeable.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/11/2008 11:13:05 PM
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ta_mosquito
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Can only a moderator vote twice on a poll?
Not in this one. This one was set up that you could vote more than once. (You had to choose both/multiple options the first time you voted, though.)
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/12/2008 8:49:09 AM
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It also says in the bible that if you believe with all your heart and not doubt you can say to the mountain go and land in the sea and it will [paraphrasing]. This is also trust without waivering because when Jesus was in the boat and the storm came and the disciples were full of fear Jesus said to the disciples "why do you have no faith?"
Faithlessness is the same as doubt. Doubt is the same as unbelief. Even when He was feeding the multitudes In Mark 8 and also in John 12:40 the bible explains the people's hearts were hardened so they could not believe (they did not trust Jesus was able to do miracles, they did not believe, same thing), this was not only the people but also the disciples.
Hardened hearts and unbelief is obviously the same thing. The centurian healed his servant because he belived for him so he was healed through his belief. {faith or trust} He trusted Jesus could heal his servant, he believed he was able to do it and he laso trusted it would happen.
I think when the writers talk about even the demons believing and trembling they talk about a surety of His Presence and a fearfulness of the pending judgement therein for the unbeliever or for the demon as when His Presence is strong it makes some tremble because His Holiness is lovely for the converted but fearful for the unconverted.
Belief in the heart and confession equates to salvation. Demons are not privy to this because they have left their estate in which they were assigned. They know what they have lost and for them there is no repentance only the cold stark reality of their fate. The reason the bible talks about them believing and trembling is because when you believe your actions must also follow, otherwise it is dead as we know faith without works is dead.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/19/2008 2:13:43 PM
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Faith is 100% trust in God. Someone can believe in Him but not trust Him. Even the demons believe in Him. Real faith is trusting in the Lord.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/19/2008 2:28:45 PM
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Semitics. One can 'believe' the truth(even a lie)but until he appropriate it in action(obedience) it's pretty hollow.
“[His message] is near you, in your mouth and in your heart"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching that if you confess [obedience to] Jesus as Lord with your mouth and you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes resulting in righteousness and with his mouth he confesses resulting in [obedience].” Romans 10:8-10
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/19/2008 2:37:22 PM
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Semitics. I'm pretty sure that Semitics are descendants of Shem. While many of them believe in God, few trust in Jesus Christ! Thus the important difference in semantics.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/19/2008 4:43:04 PM
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Sorry. Sematics. (Darn spellcheck!)
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/22/2008 1:41:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: Little_1
. . .
I have found much encouragement and strength in the 'trust' and 'trust in the Lord' scriptures which have a 'positive emphasis'; however, something I have noticed is that the scriptures regarding the word 'believe' do not have this same positive emphasis.
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What are your thoughts regarding this?
U&U
To answer that question, let me share with you something that I learned from Zola Levitt. The problem is English frequently does not give the same meaning to the word "believe" that Jews do. They mean by the word "believe" something much, much more than the average English speaking Bible reader thinks of when he reads the word "believe". The Jews mean by the word "believe": something you willingly and actively put your whole trust upon.
Zola's example to demonstrate this was: If two Jews walked up to a frozen over lake in early winter, and Jew #1 said to Jew #2, "Do you believe the ice is thick enough to walk on?" And Jew #2 said, "Yes I believe it is thick enough to walk on." But then Jew #2 gingerly put one foot out and lightly pressed down to test the ice, Jew #1 would have replied, "LIAR! If you really believed it was thick enough, you would have boldly walked out there without hesitation, putting you whole weight on that ice."
So when a Jew says he believes in Christ, he is saying he is boldly putting his whole trust in Jesus as Lord. FAR different than what a lot of modern day liberalists mean by the word "believe".
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/23/2008 12:13:35 AM
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My pastor just explained the difference between trust and belief last night.His example was if he told you he would mow your lawn you would Trust him,but if he didn't say he would and you believed him to you would be waiting for a very long time. Good example huh.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/26/2008 1:56:33 AM
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I didn't read the thread but my answer is...belief births trust in us. If we believe that truly Jesus is Lord, we then have trust in Him. I mean, if you believe Jesus is God, how can you not trust Him?
That...would be true foolishness.
I will also add, we are fools.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/26/2008 9:17:04 AM
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I will also add, we are fools. And who is "we"? I have the mind of Christ! - 1 Cor 2:16
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/26/2008 1:08:28 PM
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And who is "we"? I have the mind of Christ!
No doubt..however...
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belief births trust in us. If we believe that truly Jesus is Lord, we then have trust in Him. I mean, if you believe Jesus is God, how can you not trust Him?
How can we not trust our Lord? Well we do but not many of us trust 100%. If we did would we ever know sorry? Do we ever complain? Do we ever act outside His will? Ever doubt or question the will of God. Ever procrastinate over His direction for our lives?
Obviosly our trust isn't 100% so...the fool remark.
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/26/2008 3:00:47 PM
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Ever doubt or question the will of God. Doubting or questioning the Will of God has nothing to do with 100% trust in that Will! I sometimes question the meaning of a particular Scripture passage because of my own inadequacies and misperceptions. Nevertheless, I continue to trust wholeheartedly in the authority, inerrancy, and perfect revelation of all of God's Word!
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RE: Is 'trust' and 'belief' the same thing? - 5/30/2008 11:49:45 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: VCO
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ORIGINAL: Little_1
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I have found much encouragement and strength in the 'trust' and 'trust in the Lord' scriptures which have a 'positive emphasis'; however, something I have noticed is that the scriptures regarding the word 'believe' do not have this same positive emphasis.
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What are your thoughts regarding this?
U&U
To answer that question, let me share with you something that I learned from Zola Levitt. The problem is English frequently does not give the same meaning to the word "believe" that Jews do. They mean by the word "believe" something much, much more than the average English speaking Bible reader thinks of when he reads the word "believe". The Jews mean by the word "believe": something you willingly and actively put your whole trust upon.
Zola's example to demonstrate this was: If two Jews walked up to a frozen over lake in early winter, and Jew #1 said to Jew #2, "Do you believe the ice is thick enough to walk on?" And Jew #2 said, "Yes I believe it is thick enough to walk on." But then Jew #2 gingerly put one foot out and lightly pressed down to test the ice, Jew #1 would have replied, "LIAR! If you really believed it was thick enough, you would have boldly walked out there without hesitation, putting you whole weight on that ice."
So when a Jew says he believes in Christ, he is saying he is boldly putting his whole trust in Jesus as Lord. FAR different than what a lot of modern day liberalists mean by the word "believe".
VCO, a wonderful explanation, very similar to the translation of belief in the Amplified Bible. See above post 7.
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