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Mormonism? - 7/16/2005 12:39:47 AM
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ScenesterForGOD
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Hey, Im new here so Im sorry if this isnt the right place to post this.
But Ive been studying different religions because I figure if Im gonna evangelize, then I might as well know at least a little about other religions. Mormonism is really big here in Missouri, so I figure I might as well start with that.
If anyone can give me any websites or something about mormonism and any of their ideas on anything really, that would be amazing. Thanks so much in advance.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/16/2005 1:13:43 AM
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I'd read the book called "Mormonism Unmasked"..I can't remember the author, though, sorry.
He has a lot of good info in there that most Mormons either don't know about or refuse to acknowledge, including the religion's extensive history of polygamy.
There are a lot of references in there as well to look up.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/17/2005 10:07:45 AM
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Be very careful with Mormonism. It is the skin of the truth stuffed with lies. They use Christian words, but get their meanings from a different dictionary. Start with who they say God is, and who Jesus is, and what salvation is, and what man's "progression" is in terms of his eternal destiny (every man who reigns in celestial glory is a god to his dominions (McConkie, MD, p 322)
Mormon doctrine re: God: "We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghose (Article of Faith,1)
This cannot rationally be construed to mean that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghose are one in substance and person (Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 40)
There are three Gods...separate in personality, united in purpose, in plan and in all attributes of perfection (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p 270)
Mormon doctrine re: Jesus Christ: Among the spirit children of Elohim, the firstborn was and is Jehovah or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniours (Smith, GD, p 70)
By obedience and devotion He attained to the pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God, even in his pre-existent state (McConkie p 192).
Mormon doctrine re: Holy Spirit: The Holy Ghost is a "personage of spirit". He does not have a body of flesh and bones, like the Father and the Son (DC, 130:22)
He "can only be in one place at one time" although he "emanates from Diety" like "electricity, or the universal ether....which fills the eart and the air, and is everywhere present" (McConkie, MD, pp. 359, 753)
Resource: The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error #1 (a pamphlet by Keith L. Brooks)
I think it is obvious from just this very brief overview that their god is vastly different from the God of the Bible.
There is another very good book entitled "Reasoning from the Scriptures With the Mormons" ... I dont recall the author... you might find it very helpful. The same author has written other "Reasoning From the Scriptures..." books about other cults too.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/17/2005 10:07:54 PM
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I commend you for wanting to find truth and seek out which church to join your faith to. My main advice is to trust the Lord to guide you, as He did me. Also, when I want to find out about a church, I always to to that church, just like I would not ask a Chevrolet dealer to give me advice about a Ford, when they have a vested interest in steering you away from a Ford. If I wanted to know about Christ anciently, I would not have asked a Pharisee...I would have sought Him out. Therefore, I recommend you go to [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] where you will find clear descriptions of what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes. Another interesting reference and excellent scriptural references to study yourself can be found at [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] under 42 Evidences of the True Church. Then, pray about what you learn and trust the Lord to answer your questions.
God be with you, my young friend.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/17/2005 10:29:17 PM
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I commend you for wanting to find truth and seek out which church to join your faith to. My main advice is to trust the Lord to guide you, as He did me. Also, when I want to find out about a church, I always to to that church, just like I would not ask a Chevrolet dealer to give me advice about a Ford, when they have a vested interest in steering you away from a Ford. If I wanted to know about Christ anciently, I would not have asked a Pharisee...I would have sought Him out. Therefore, I recommend you go to [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] where you will find clear descriptions of what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes. Another interesting reference and excellent scriptural references to study yourself can be found at [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] under 42 Evidences of the True Church. Then, pray about what you learn and trust the Lord to answer your questions.
God be with you, my young friend.
I looked at your site and do no see on your belief statement about God where it is stated that Mormonism believes that God has a wife and that Jesus is a separate god from the Father and that Jesus was created. Isn't this what Mormons believe?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/17/2005 10:29:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: LDSmember
I commend you for wanting to find truth and seek out which church to join your faith to. My main advice is to trust the Lord to guide you, as He did me. Also, when I want to find out about a church, I always to to that church, just like I would not ask a Chevrolet dealer to give me advice about a Ford, when they have a vested interest in steering you away from a Ford. If I wanted to know about Christ anciently, I would not have asked a Pharisee...I would have sought Him out. Therefore, I recommend you go to [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] where you will find clear descriptions of what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes. Another interesting reference and excellent scriptural references to study yourself can be found at [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] under 42 Evidences of the True Church. Then, pray about what you learn and trust the Lord to answer your questions.
God be with you, my young friend.
Although I respect you LDSMember, I also pray for you. I was Mormon for 20 years and it was not until September of last year that I learned the truth and found all the lies I had been taught. Did you know or do you realize that the bible you read has been altered to fit the Mormon beliefs. Have you truly sought God for your answers? I would ask you to personally search your heart and pray that you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, not just a brother. I pray that you find the truth before you lead others to the lies. Otherwise, one day (either during your life or after this life) you will pray for forgiveness for leading others astray as I did. I am searching for those I brought to the Mormon church. I want to talk to them and share the truth with them before it is to late.
Repectfully and with prayer!
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/17/2005 10:35:06 PM
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I would also like to add that I am happy to see you here and I hope you can be open minded to the things you read here :) I see you are new to the forum. I pray that you come back again and again. There are some very wise members of this group that can be very helpful.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/17/2005 10:47:54 PM
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Also be fully aware that what the LDS teaches on their web site is not necessarily what the Bible teaches about God, Christ, the Holy Ghost, salvation, marriage, or many other such topics.
Even though this web site refers to Isaiah 9:6,7, nowhere does it call the Lord Jesus Christ "God manifest in the flesh". He is called the Son of God who was born about 2,000 years ago. Since that is not a true representation of the eternal and only begotten Son of God who is "one" with the Father and the Holy Spirit, make sure you know what the Bible really teaches.
Also be aware that the LDS changes its doctrines based upon how they are received generally. They have officially repudiated "plural marriages", yet claim that God commanded the patriarchs to practice polygamy, as He also commanded Jospeh Smith, Brigham Young, and others!
Nowhere in Scripture does God command polygamy, although He allowed it. And marriages are only "till death do us part" according to the whole tenor of Scripture as well as Rom.7:1-3. Yet Mormon temples continue to promote "eternal marriages" which tie in with their peculiar doctrines.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/18/2005 2:20:16 AM
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Thanks so much everyone.
Now, I dont want you to get confused, Im not looking to convert, Im just doing some study on different religions to try to understand what others think.
But I do have a question about Marriage in the Mormon churches. My friend told me that if a male Mormon marrys a non-Mormon female, the church will try to convert the female, and if that dosnt work they will pressure the male into leaving his wife.
I dont know if it holds any truth, but I would really like to know. Because a dear friend of mine is dating a mormon guy right now and she isnt mormon herself.
Thanks again so much everyone. God bless
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/18/2005 3:02:31 AM
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It is very important for Mormons to marry other Mormons because of their beliefs about marriage after death.
Mormons believe that if they get married in the Temple, the are "sealed" for eternity to their spouse. If they achieve the highest level of heaven (celestial), they can become their own god and goddess, having spiritual children and populating their very own planet.
So you can see why it would be very important to convert one's spouse to Mormonism.
LDS.org by the way, doesn't even BEGIN to explain the details of the Mormon religion and how it has twisted Scripture and blasphemed the Lord. I have searched everywhere on the site, but they don't reveal a whole lot about themselves, which says a lot in itself.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/18/2005 9:39:26 PM
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I can tell you this that they frown upon marrying outside of the church so much that even though they may not come right out and say it, they will treat them both like outcast until she converts if they did marry. I married my husband who was not a member and I was no longer treated as an equal (not that women are even remotely considered equals) and I was no longer asked to hold important positions in the church. That was the start of my search for the whole truth.
As for the LDS websites, it does not surprise me that they do not have much info. They want to talk to you in person. I will give you this, Mormons are some of the nicest people you ever want to meet. They have a wonderful family focus. The members truly believe with all their hearts that they are right in their beliefs. They do not realaize how wrong they are until they have stopped practicing for a long period of time. It truly was like I was brainwashed. I could not believe all the lies I was exposed to for a very long time.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/26/2005 10:21:59 PM
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If you marry a non member that is not willing to baptize, they don't urge you to leave your wife, Mormons believe in families, and it's very important, above all that you have a strong family.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/26/2005 11:35:44 PM
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But I do have a question about Marriage in the Mormon churches. My friend told me that if a male Mormon marrys a non-Mormon female, the church will try to convert the female, and if that dosnt work they will pressure the male into leaving his wife.
This happened to my sister-in-law. He was mormon, she was not. After child 2, the Bishop told him to leave her. They divorced.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/26/2005 11:38:14 PM
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They will not come out and say to leave your spouse, but they will do everything in their power to stop you from marrying them first of all. Then they will also do what they can to convert them or you will be an outcast in their minds. I have been there and experienced it. I sufferred their wrath and I watched others suffer as well.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2005 10:10:55 AM
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If you marry a non member that is not willing to baptize, they don't urge you to leave your wife, Mormons believe in families, and it's very important, above all that you have a strong family.
They also believe in mutiple marriages as well. See, while this religion may have that family focus, (and this is what lures people who do not know no better to it), their docterine and twisting of scripture make people confused.
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/1/2005 11:27:11 PM
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A great book you should pick up is:
Kingdom Of The Cults, written by Walter Martin.
It not only covers Mormonism, but Jehovah Witnesses, Scientology, Christian Science, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, etc..
You can pick it up on amazon.com for a fairly good deal.
It's really easy to read and even focusses on HOW to witness to cult members, which is perfect for anyone who has had your doorbell ring and opened it to find someone wanting to talk "scripture" with you.
Prepare for a wild ride!
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/2/2005 10:14:18 AM
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I love that book, Kingdom of the Cults, its great!
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/2/2005 6:50:49 PM
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If you marry a non member that is not willing to baptize, they don't urge you to leave your wife, Mormons believe in families, and it's very important, above all that you have a strong family.
They also believe in mutiple marriages as well. See, while this religion may have that family focus, (and this is what lures people who do not know no better to it), their docterine and twisting of scripture make people confused.
Mormons do not believe in multiple marriages anymore. You need to research a little more. There are some branches of the LDS religion that to practice polygamy, but these are not recognized by the LDS Church as part of the Church.
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/8/2005 12:37:13 AM
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I've taken the same approach to evangelizing other religions. I want to come from a place of respect for where people are at - even if we disagree. Also I'm not afraid of books - so bring it on! I got a copy of the BOM and read it. Right away a few things that jumped out for me.
For me the Bible is many stories but also one unified story of God's bringing us back to Himself in a new and better way. In spite of our sin He has a better plan for us. In the time of the Israelites God refers to His people as His "children". Jesus later refers to himself as the "bridegroom" and in a time yet to come the church as His "bride". The bible says that when a couple are married "The two will become one flesh". I echo paul's words on this...
"This is a profound mystery"
So...it doesn't make sense to me that God would break up this perfect story to separate a particular group of people. Also I understand that they (Mormon patriarchs) we're saved from disaster because they pleased God. Fair enough - there are many examples of this in the OT. But in light of what Paul teaches about the law - that it was given as a plumbline to measure our "perfectness" with respect to God's and teach us and NOT to accomplish this perfection. I can't figure why God would take these people out of the context of the history of Israel which was the work He was doing and the lesson he was constructing for the rest of us in this day. If he was going to punish someone or lift them up - it's recorded for all of us to learn from.
And other things...
Why was it hidden for so long?
Why does the writer constantly say "In other words" as if he knows that what he just said requires explanation?
- The old testament books of history, wisdom and prophesy aren't written like this. The new testament writers sometimes did that but they were writing to non-Jews and people who spoke other languages. To me the bible uses the Holy Spirit to explain things. It's like a secret 'decoder' ring like you'd get from a cracker jack's box ;-)
I don't believe there's anything that I need to know about God that's hidden. Job 12:18 in answer to his friends lectures on the greatness, and majesty of God
Ask the earth and it will teach you
Or let the fish of the sea inform you
Which of these does NOT know
That the hand of the Lord has done this?
In His hand is the life of every creature
And the breath of all mankind
All of creation knows that he is God. And I don't believe that knowledge has been lost or hidden at any point in time.
Why weren't these people restored when the Jews returned from captivity?
The story of Israel...
1) Birth (Abraham)
2) Growing up (Joseph)
3) Bondage (Egyptian slavery)
4) Liberation and rebirth (Exodus - Red Sea)
5) Walking in faith (Desert)
6) Taking possession of the full life (Joshua - judges - kings)
7) Fighting and sometimes losing the constant battle of our flesh (Exile - Chronicles, Jeremiah)
8) Moments of heroism enabled by faith (Ruth, Esther)
9) And finally restoration through God's grace alone (Ezra - Nehemiah)
is also my story and every believers story. To me this other story just doesn't fit. It doesn't fit in my spirit and it doesn't fit with who I know God to be.
There are truths in the book of Mormon. And things that are true are true forever but there are truths in my journal also because I've read God's word. Where we find it is not as important as where it comes from.
I do have an LDS friend that I keep in contact with through email and I ask Our Father for a special grace to be on your efforts. It must be very hard to hear a new witness through all the surroundings they have - both family and church.
In Christ
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/14/2005 12:13:44 PM
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Here's some helpful sites:
www.mazeministry.com
www.saintsalive.com
www.lhvm.org
scriptures.lds.org (lds site, but helpful for study)
I have lots more, pm me if you want. BTW, there are SO many books on this subject, I sugest just reading them in the library or book store.
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/9/2006 1:12:41 PM
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Which Bible would that be?
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ORIGINAL: LDSmember
I commend you for wanting to find truth and seek out which church to join your faith to. My main advice is to trust the Lord to guide you, as He did me. Also, when I want to find out about a church, I always to to that church, just like I would not ask a Chevrolet dealer to give me advice about a Ford, when they have a vested interest in steering you away from a Ford. If I wanted to know about Christ anciently, I would not have asked a Pharisee...I would have sought Him out. Therefore, I recommend you go to [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] where you will find clear descriptions of what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes. Another interesting reference and excellent scriptural references to study yourself can be found at [Link edited out by Admin per TOS 16] under 42 Evidences of the True Church. Then, pray about what you learn and trust the Lord to answer your questions.
God be with you, my young friend.
Although I respect you LDSMember, I also pray for you. I was Mormon for 20 years and it was not until September of last year that I learned the truth and found all the lies I had been taught. Did you know or do you realize that the bible you read has been altered to fit the Mormon beliefs. Have you truly sought God for your answers? I would ask you to personally search your heart and pray that you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, not just a brother. I pray that you find the truth before you lead others to the lies. Otherwise, one day (either during your life or after this life) you will pray for forgiveness for leading others astray as I did. I am searching for those I brought to the Mormon church. I want to talk to them and share the truth with them before it is to late.
Repectfully and with prayer!
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/17/2006 3:34:44 AM
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Hey, Mormonism needs to be brought out into the limelight. This guy Matt Slick is very very effective at explaining many issues, including mormonism. Here is his link: http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm
Good luck.
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RE: Mormonism? - 8/17/2006 10:13:01 AM
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My aunt married a man who is a high priest in the mormon church and he regularly chases women and frequents
bars but they have 5 children and live on a farm wih livestock but the mormon church owned EVERYTHING!
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