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My Political Vote - 5/8/2008 11:50:00 PM
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JefferyT
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Should I vote for the candidate who supports the one issue that is most important to me? Or should I vote for the candidate that supports the largest number of issues that are important to me? Almost every election seems to come down to this question.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 1:17:05 AM
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I cannot with good conscience vote for either of the two democratic contenders because they are both pro-choice. For me, I have been gripped by the injustice of abortion and that becomes my test for any candidate. I will actually vote for a pro-life democrat over a pro-choice republican any day of the week. I would say to vote your concience. If your particular issue big enough that your conscience won't let you sleep if you vote against it, or no?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 1:30:37 AM
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McFatty
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aye... for me abortion is the number one issue. I can't vote for a president who thinks it's okay to murder children
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 8:21:01 AM
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SonInMe1
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Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 8:26:21 AM
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lightshineon
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President Bush banned partial Birth abortion. Clinton first passed it. Obama voted to even kill those born alive. They may not overturn it compleatly, but major issues with abortion can either vetoed or passed. It is important, or the canidates or voters would not consider it so.
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Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 9:13:49 AM
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Tinkerbell_
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There are so many other issues going on that I won't vote based on one issue.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 10:31:29 AM
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McFatty
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There are many others on which I disagree with the conservative point of view, however possible stopping the murders of millions of children is an issue much more important to me than every other issue combined.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 10:38:46 AM
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P31W
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Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
He can be honest with the public and call it muder rather than a unplanned baby is "punishment".
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 11:07:58 AM
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RichLP
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I cannot - and WILL NOT - vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton.
In a recent interview, Clinton mentioned a hypothetical Iranian attack on the State of Israel, and Clinton all but testified she would commit war crimes.
During the ABC Good Morning America interview, Clinton said (as per this posting in Great Britain's The Guardian), "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran" (if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.)
This question is not based on current realities; US intelligence stated as of late 2007 that Iran is not seeking the weaponization of nuclear fuel, and “that there is no realistic likelihood of Iran having a bomb 'in the next ten years.”
But in contradiction to this intelligence, Clinton said, “In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them. That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that, because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic.”
First of all, while the State of Israel is a close ally of the United States, why does America have to nuke another country if that very country has one of the world’s strongest military complexes, has not lost any of the conventional wars (and there were quite a few of them) it has fought in its six-decade history, and which has 200 to 300 nuclear weapons?
Secondly, Clinton’s remarks should be taken seriously as they are frightening. The “obliteration” of a country means the destruction of its cities, and any American military strike on Iran that led to the latter’s “obliteration” would involve large-scale violence against non-military targets.
In other words, Clinton is stating she will kill many Iranian citizens for actions committed by the government of Iran.
I wonder how we Americans reacted if a candidate for the presidency of Russia or an aspiring member of the Chinese Communist Party declared on live Moscow or Beijing TV news that if America launched a nuclear attack on a country that either Russia or China consider a close ally, that Russia or China would move to “obliterate” the United States.
This reminds me of Bill Clinton’s 1994 statement at the Korean DMZ that if the North Koreans attacked South Korea, it would have been “the end of their country (North Korea).” It is one thing to reaffirm American commitments to their allies and to make it clear that America will, if necessary, fight alongside its allies. It is another to warn of national “obliteration.”
Clinton’s remarks were grossly irresponsible. I never considered voting for her, and this incident alone convinces me she does not deserve my vote.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 11:24:50 AM
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Jhud
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RichLP, I am confused - are you an American?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 1:30:04 PM
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Jhud
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Jhud, I am confused - where's Lake Wobegon? So much for Google Maps.
You must not have been looking very hard.
Just search for the place where there are statistically high concentrations of strong women, good looking men, and above average children, and you will find it.
But you didn't answer the question...could you even vote for Hillary if you wanted to?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/9/2008 6:02:17 PM
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tracydolls
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WE should nuke Iran now Before they get the nuke bomb or look at Israel.
We should bomb every country that might hide Al-Qida, which includes every Moslem country. Then we should get Russian and France since they did'nt support us in the war against Iraq.
WE should bomb Venezuala because of Chavez. We should bomb Cuba because of Fidel's brother.
We should nuke China for being Communist, and those cheap plastic toys.
We should bomb Zimbawe because of their president.
And once we get done we can back to our surburban homes and feel good, we have rid the world of terrorists.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/12/2008 9:08:03 PM
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Closie
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WE should nuke Iran now Before they get the nuke bomb or look at Israel.
We should bomb every country that might hide Al-Qida, which includes every Moslem country. Then we should get Russian and France since they did'nt support us in the war against Iraq.
WE should bomb Venezuala because of Chavez. We should bomb Cuba because of Fidel's brother.
We should nuke China for being Communist, and those cheap plastic toys.
We should bomb Zimbawe because of their president.
And once we get done we can back to our surburban homes and feel good, we have rid the world of terrorists.
And nuke the crack houses near my old high school. If the US can find someone in a cave in Afghanistan to fight the war on terror, waterboard to get results then why can't they take out the crack houses in the inner cities or meth labs in the burbs to fight the war on drugs who inflict just as much terror (if not more) on citizens? So whoever pledges to do that gets my vote.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/12/2008 9:16:47 PM
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lightshineon
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There is a thought closie.
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
WE should nuke Iran now Before they get the nuke bomb or look at Israel.
We should bomb every country that might hide Al-Qida, which includes every Moslem country. Then we should get Russian and France since they did'nt support us in the war against Iraq.
WE should bomb Venezuala because of Chavez. We should bomb Cuba because of Fidel's brother.
We should nuke China for being Communist, and those cheap plastic toys.
We should bomb Zimbawe because of their president.
And once we get done we can back to our surburban homes and feel good, we have rid the world of terrorists.
And nuke the crack houses near my old high school. If the US can find someone in a cave in Afghanistan to fight the war on terror, waterboard to get results then why can't they take out the crack houses in the inner cities or meth labs in the burbs to fight the war on drugs who inflict just as much terror (if not more) on citizens? So whoever pledges to do that gets my vote.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/13/2008 9:26:24 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: P31W
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Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
He can be honest with the public and call it muder rather than a unplanned baby is "punishment".
Amen!
John
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/13/2008 9:54:54 PM
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pmilst
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Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
The president can nominate and hopefully find the necessary votes for a
strict construction and highly moral man or woman to tilt the balance of the supreme court toward an anti-abortion stand. Also, this candidate must not legislate law from the court room and must maintain the constitutional rights of the states as allowed within the constitution. Those two statements alone endorse the more conservative political views
of John McCain. Conservatves must get excited about this election, or lose this election-- and lose all the gains of a more conservative court.
IMAGINE the supreme court appointments of OBAMA and his pals from
Move-On. Org. Truly a scary thought.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 8:00:26 AM
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Closie
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ORIGINAL: pmilst
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
The president can nominate and hopefully find the necessary votes for a
strict construction and highly moral man or woman to tilt the balance of the supreme court toward an anti-abortion stand. Also, this candidate must not legislate law from the court room and must maintain the constitutional rights of the states as allowed within the constitution. Those two statements alone endorse the more conservative political views
of John McCain. Conservatves must get excited about this election, or lose this election-- and lose all the gains of a more conservative court.
IMAGINE the supreme court appointments of OBAMA and his pals from
Move-On. Org. Truly a scary thought.
And if he does all of that, abortion ends?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 8:24:56 AM
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lightshineon
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Closie,Obama will be a bloody president, as far as the dead baby carnage. Why complain about the war, when Obama has blood on his hands as much as anyone. I hope abortion ends, and pray for it to.
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ORIGINAL: pmilst
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
The president can nominate and hopefully find the necessary votes for a
strict construction and highly moral man or woman to tilt the balance of the supreme court toward an anti-abortion stand. Also, this candidate must not legislate law from the court room and must maintain the constitutional rights of the states as allowed within the constitution. Those two statements alone endorse the more conservative political views
of John McCain. Conservatves must get excited about this election, or lose this election-- and lose all the gains of a more conservative court.
IMAGINE the supreme court appointments of OBAMA and his pals from
Move-On. Org. Truly a scary thought.
And if he does all of that, abortion ends?
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 2:18:45 PM
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pmilst
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ORIGINAL: Closie
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ORIGINAL: pmilst
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
Abortion is an important issue. Thing is...what can a president do about it?
The president can nominate and hopefully find the necessary votes for a
strict construction and highly moral man or woman to tilt the balance of the supreme court toward an anti-abortion stand. Also, this candidate must not legislate law from the court room and must maintain the constitutional rights of the states as allowed within the constitution. Those two statements alone endorse the more conservative political views
of John McCain. Conservatves must get excited about this election, or lose this election-- and lose all the gains of a more conservative court.
IMAGINE the supreme court appointments of OBAMA and his pals from
Move-On. Org. Truly a scary thought.
And if he does all of that, abortion ends?
I wish I could say that abortion does end with its illegalization, but there will always be illegal clinics, home induced abortions, or flying out of the nation or across state borders to receive abortions. That will not end.
But its becoming illegal, stops gov't from endorsing or funding such behavior. That is the importance of having states rights judges appointed to the supreme court, because ultimately I think the supreme court will rule that abortion is a states rights issue and each state will resolve the issue by their own state law. There will be states that allow abortion (and judgement by God) and states that will illegalize abortion (and hopefully have God's blessing). In those states where abortion is illegalized, then the issue will be, does state law criminalize the abortion, or does the woman go to counciling.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 2:41:13 PM
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Closie
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Closie,Obama will be a bloody president, as far as the dead baby carnage. Why complain about the war, when Obama has blood on his hands as much as anyone. I hope abortion ends, and pray for it to.
And with the right president, abortion will end?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 2:42:26 PM
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Closie
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I wish I could say that abortion does end with its illegalization, but there will always be illegal clinics, home induced abortions, or flying out of the nation or across state borders to receive abortions. That will not end.
But its becoming illegal, stops gov't from endorsing or funding such behavior. That is the importance of having states rights judges appointed to the supreme court, because ultimately I think the supreme court will rule that abortion is a states rights issue and each state will resolve the issue by their own state law. There will be states that allow abortion (and judgement by God) and states that will illegalize abortion (and hopefully have God's blessing). In those states where abortion is illegalized, then the issue will be, does state law criminalize the abortion, or does the woman go to counciling.
So abortion will end when both the Federal and State governments outlaw it?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 3:34:07 PM
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pmilst
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ORIGINAL: pmilst
I wish I could say that abortion does end with its illegalization, but there will always be illegal clinics, home induced abortions, or flying out of the nation or across state borders to receive abortions. That will not end.
But its becoming illegal, stops gov't from endorsing or funding such behavior. That is the importance of having states rights judges appointed to the supreme court, because ultimately I think the supreme court will rule that abortion is a states rights issue and each state will resolve the issue by their own state law. There will be states that allow abortion (and judgement by God) and states that will illegalize abortion (and hopefully have God's blessing). In those states where abortion is illegalized, then the issue will be, does state law criminalize the abortion, or does the woman go to counciling.
So abortion will end when both the Federal and State governments outlaw it?
Closie, you know that is not what I just said; read it again.
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 3:59:57 PM
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Closie
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Okay I read it again. The person who gets in office via your vote controls who is appointed to the judicial benches. Got it. My question is, do you think abortion will end if the Feds and state criminalize it?
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RE: My Political Vote - 5/14/2008 4:38:15 PM
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davemiller7
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IMHO, this bunch of candidates is the poorest excuse for potential presidents I can remember. In fact I'm so disappointed that when NC held its primary last week, I voted for Alan Keyes, knowing that McCain has already wrapped it up. It was a protest vote, but I do admire Keyes. A very moral man, he has the courage to speak out against the status quo, the leftists, etc. I'll have a lot of anguish, come November.
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