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New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/30/2009 7:45:38 PM
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BiblicalCreationist7
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I have wondered this for a while now. But here it is;
Why will there be 12 gates in Heaven that are open? Thank You! =]
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/30/2009 8:12:09 PM
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Shalom, BiblicalCreationist7.
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I have wondered this for a while now. But here it is;
Why will there be 12 gates in Heaven that are open? Thank You! =]
So glad you asked! I've got a speculative answer that answers that question and the question why each gate is "of one pearl?" What shape are pearls normally? Well, normally a pearl is ROUND! I believe that each one of the twelve gates is ROLLED AWAY from the gateway! Each gate, IMO, is a commemoration of the Resurrection! They always stand open as the gate is forever rolled away from the gateway, and each one is attended by a Messenger (aggelos, often transliterated "angel"). Since I believe that Yerushalayim haChadashah will land at the coordinates of old Yerushalayim on a re-made New Earth, all twelve gates will be connected to twelve roads, each separated 500 miles from the nearest gates/roads around the perimeter. And, since the River of the Water of Life flows down the middle of the street of the city like a median, that river will be "parted into TWELVE heads" that go out and water the whole face of the New Earth. Thus, the gates always stand open to provide a way for the river(s) to flow out.
How's that?
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/30/2009 9:13:09 PM
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Shalom, BiblicalCreationist7.
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I have wondered this for a while now. But here it is;
Why will there be 12 gates in Heaven that are open? Thank You! =]
So glad you asked! I've got a speculative answer that answers that question and the question why each gate is "of one pearl?" What shape are pearls normally? Well, normally a pearl is ROUND! I believe that each one of the twelve gates is ROLLED AWAY from the gateway! Each gate, IMO, is a commemoration of the Resurrection! They always stand open as the gate is forever rolled away from the gateway, and each one is attended by a Messenger (aggelos, often transliterated "angel"). Since I believe that Yerushalayim haChadashah will land at the coordinates of old Yerushalayim on a re-made New Earth, all twelve gates will be connected to twelve roads, each separated 500 miles from the nearest gates/roads around the perimeter. And, since the River of the Water of Life flows down the middle of the street of the city like a median, that river will be "parted into TWELVE heads" that go out and water the whole face of the New Earth. Thus, the gates always stand open to provide a way for the river(s) to flow out.
How's that?
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
That is a pretty good answer. I would not have thought of that. I have searched on the internet but did not find anything. Thank you! I just have always wondered this. =] GOD Bless You! =] You mind if I save this?
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/30/2009 10:05:28 PM
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From studying Hebrew, I also believe it is a confirmation of the restoration of the twelve trbes of Israel, as Judaism believes only ten shall be restored. Twelve is used as the gates are named by the children of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve apostles, with twelve foundations. It also represents the Memorial of the crossing[ Joshua 4] of the crossing of the Jordan river symbolizing freedom from bondage. There are hundreds of references of the number twelve all correlating , and intertwining within the spiritual number of twelve. I'm sorry , I have to quit my arm is broken, and the pain unbearable[continued] Good topic!Everything correlates Jesus. The Bible in whole ; speaks His name ; Son of man; Son of God!12 is the revelation of miracles!
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/30/2009 10:55:44 PM
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Shalom, BiblicalCreationist7.
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Shalom, BiblicalCreationist7.
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I have wondered this for a while now. But here it is;
Why will there be 12 gates in Heaven that are open? Thank You! =]
So glad you asked! I've got a speculative answer that answers that question and the question why each gate is "of one pearl?" What shape are pearls normally? Well, normally a pearl is ROUND! I believe that each one of the twelve gates is ROLLED AWAY from the gateway! Each gate, IMO, is a commemoration of the Resurrection! They always stand open as the gate is forever rolled away from the gateway, and each one is attended by a Messenger (aggelos, often transliterated "angel"). Since I believe that Yerushalayim haChadashah will land at the coordinates of old Yerushalayim on a re-made New Earth, all twelve gates will be connected to twelve roads, each separated 500 miles from the nearest gates/roads around the perimeter. And, since the River of the Water of Life flows down the middle of the street of the city like a median, that river will be "parted into TWELVE heads" that go out and water the whole face of the New Earth. Thus, the gates always stand open to provide a way for the river(s) to flow out.
How's that?
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
That is a pretty good answer. I would not have thought of that. I have searched on the internet but did not find anything. Thank you! I just have always wondered this. =] GOD Bless You! =] You mind if I save this?
Not at all. Feel free to use it!
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/30/2009 11:11:33 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Robertblog.
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From studying Hebrew, I also believe it is a confirmation of the restoration of the twelve trbes of Israel, as Judaism believes only ten shall be restored. Twelve is used as the gates are named by the children of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve apostles, with twelve foundations. It also represents the Memorial of the crossing[ Joshua 4] of the crossing of the Jordan river symbolizing freedom from bondage. There are hundreds of references of the number twelve all correlating , and intertwining within the spiritual number of twelve. I'm sorry , I have to quit my arm is broken, and the pain unbearable[continued] Good topic!Everything correlates Jesus. The Bible in whole ; speaks His name ; Son of man; Son of God!12 is the revelation of miracles!
Yes, you're right on these points, too, of course, except ... I'm not familiar with Judaism only believing ten would be restored. I think they believe that the ten "lost tribes" would be restored TOO--in ADDITION to the two that made up Judaea, because all twelve are mentioned in Ezekiel 40-48. Do you have a source to confirm that?
Sorry to hear about your arm; may YHVH heal you quickly!
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/31/2009 4:59:59 PM
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Robertblog, Shalom.
You are supposed to type with the fingertips, not the elbow. Fingertip typing don't break arm, usually. Ha...Hope you heal fast and painless, my brother.
Roy, Shalom.
Hmmm. If there is water flowing through all twelve gates, that means that only people who can walk on water, can come in or out, huh? The Bible says that no bad types can enter the gate. 'Living Water' might well be repulsive to the dirty of soul. Yep, I like your way of thinking.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 8/31/2009 6:44:49 PM
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Shalom, Arley.
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Robertblog, Shalom.
You are supposed to type with the fingertips, not the elbow. Fingertip typing don't break arm, usually. Ha...Hope you heal fast and painless, my brother.
Roy, Shalom.
Hmmm. If there is water flowing through all twelve gates, that means that only people who can walk on water, can come in or out, huh? The Bible says that no bad types can enter the gate. 'Living Water' might well be repulsive to the dirty of soul. Yep, I like your way of thinking.
In Messiah. Arley
Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!  Don't be TOO silly there, Navy! The rivers are MEDIANS in the middle of each street with a large enough park between the river and the road for many trees of the species "Tree of Life" on both sides of each river! Like this: | street | park/trees | river | park/trees | street |.
Each one will be a main thoroughfare! They MUST be for there are only 12 entrances for a city 1500 miles x 1500 miles! Each gate would therefore be 500 miles away from the gates on either side! (A perimeter of 6000 miles / 12 gates = 500 miles/gate!)
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/1/2009 5:08:26 PM
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I have wondered this for a while now. But here it is;
Why will there be 12 gates in Heaven that are open? Thank You! =]
There are 12 Angels on the Crown of The Woman who was Eve who is the Mother of all of those who are Living for God is The God of The Living and not of the dead. These are the Angelic 'guardians' serving at each of the Pearl Gates. The Gates are never to be shut for there is no lesser light of night.
The nations and kingdoms built will have an endless line of rulers from Christ.
Seven Spirit and Seven Stars and Seven Churches.
There are 12 tribes of the FirstFruits which are those of the Feast of the FirstFruits celebration of The Testimony; these are 12 squared multiplied by 1000 for one thousand years Reign at Jerusalem.
The City of the Temple of God is written to be measured at this number of stadia as 12000 in a square or 144,000,000 'square' stadia or 1400 miles in a square or 1,960,000 square miles! The present circumference of the earth at the equatorial measurement is circa 24900 miles.
Apostle means:
G652 apostolos ä-po'-sto-los apostle, messenger, he that is sent
G2491 Iōannēs ē-ō-ä'n-nās John (the Baptist), John (the apostle), John (Mark), John (the chief priest)
G5376 Philippos fē'-lēp-pos Philip (the apostle), Philip (the evangelist), Philip (Herod), Philippi (an adjunct of Caesarea), Philip (the tetrarch)
The false apostle prophet will come soon and deceive all of the peoples and nations and implement the mark of the number of his name as a restricted worship commerce. He will confirm this covenant along with ten worldwide leaders who arise to rule the earth during the last 1335 days of preMillennial events. If anyone takes the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet beast from the earth they will endure the trumpets and bowls feast of The Trumpet Prophecy as written in Moses and Revelation. This is the announcement of the Judgment decisions of the desolation decrees written regarding the false prophet who stands in The Temple declaring himself to be greater than God until all of these are poured out upon those who followed him. He will come to his end and no one will help him is written.
G5570 pseudapostolos psyüd-ä-po'-sto-los false apostle
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 11:07:26 AM
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So Yohannan...you would then see some part of the Great Tribulation running concurrently with Gods wrath?
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 12:22:36 PM
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Yeee-Haaa!!, I do believe that Yohannan may well be Hebrew, of mind. He/She (Me thinks, 'He'), does, better than me, the same thing I am often accused of: Putting all of the germane information about a subject into one, run-on, sentence, which confuses just about every reader of the offering, except those who also think without shutting down to pause 'Selah.' I learned to use an overabundance of comma's, however. 
Also being a 'run-on' type, I find Yohannan's words smooth reading, and understanding (most of the time). 
Just a thought.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 12:36:26 PM
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You're special brother...were you a sonar operator?
Bob
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 12:53:02 PM
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On the surface, Radio. Submerged, Sonar. How did you guess? Bubble-heads are so hard to figure if up, or down. Hmmm.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 2:00:59 PM
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So Yohannan...you would then see some part of the Great Tribulation running concurrently with Gods wrath?
Bob
I believe that The Coming of The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord is concurrent with God's wrath poured out upon those who take the number of the name of the false prophet who confirms this implemented form of commerce worship upon the markets of the whole world along with ten worldwide leaders who arise for only this last period of years of 42 months or 1260 days or 3 1/2 years for it is written that they have not received a place in the leadership of the empires: these ten leaders have not yet received a kingdom.
Thus, the time of Great distress called the Great Tribulation will occur at the opening of the sixth seal which is the number for peoples in accordance with the Prophecy of Genesis of the creation on the sixth 'period' where evening and morning are separated.
It will last for about 1244 days (2579 - 1335 = 1244) and will include all of the trumpets and bowls in fulfillment of the Feast of The Trumpets announcement of The Judgment of the Desolation Decrees of God.
The first 1335 days is the tribulation period of time where the saints of God and all of God' children of The Woman Eve of the planting of the Gardens following Eden along the Euphrates river which is the final Prophetic river along which the nations are presently planted.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 2:28:48 PM
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I believe that The Coming of The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord is concurrent with God's wrath poured out upon those who take the number of the name of the false prophet who confirms this implemented form of commerce worship upon the markets of the whole world along with ten worldwide leaders who arise for only this last period of years of 42 months or 1260 days or 3 1/2 years for it is written that they have not received a place in the leadership of the empires: these ten leaders have not yet received a kingdom.
Hi yohannan...so you think Gods wrath is 3 1/2 years in length? Can you provide me with any scriptural support for this?
Bob
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 2:42:26 PM
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I believe that The Coming of The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord is concurrent with God's wrath poured out upon those who take the number of the name of the false prophet who confirms this implemented form of commerce worship upon the markets of the whole world along with ten worldwide leaders who arise for only this last period of years of 42 months or 1260 days or 3 1/2 years for it is written that they have not received a place in the leadership of the empires: these ten leaders have not yet received a kingdom.
Hi yohannan...so you think Gods wrath is 3 1/2 years in length? Can you provide me with any scriptural support for this?
Bob
1244 days or 41 1/2 months or 4 years minus about 6 months. The time period of about 3 1/2 years is the period of the Prophetic Angelic Desolation Decrees where the Dragon kills his children as written at The Sovereign ordinances of God.
This will include the five month period of suffering of the bottomless pit beings released and the war of Armageddon as written.
He raises up and builds nations and peoples and there is a time to destroy. For someone said I have become the destroyer of worlds.
If they will not believe The Word, they will not believe if One comes back from the dead for has not Christ Messiah Triumphed over hades and death already? Yet, some live as with enmity; but God's Children have enmity with The Dragon for He Has Prophesied this from the beginning at the tree Commanded not to be eaten of. One Commandment, one disobedience Redeemed in the accrediting that comes forward by Faith in holding on to the patience and endurance as written..
This brings the total of the months of the Tribulation period of the war upon the believers who hold faithful to God and the Great Tribulation to 86 months where 84 months is 7 years plus a 29 day and a 30 day leap year in accordance with The Testimony of Moses. Minus, or plus a day for no one knows the day or the hour is written.
This brings the total of the months of the Tribulation period of the war upon the believers who hold faithful to God and the Great Tribulation to 86 months where 84 months is 7 years plus a 30 day leap year in accordance with The Testimony of Moses. Minus, or plus a day for no one knows the day or the hour is written. For isn't this the number of the days between 1260 and 1290? If there are yet to be 1290 following the 1260 days, then this total is given at 2579 as written for 1290 + 1290 =2579 which is 1260 + 1260 = 7 years plus 29 and 30 days for the leap year. Where this division becomes 1289.5 days and thus no knows the exact day or the hour of the Appearance of Messiah. Also, one must flee the city is written by the time of the 1290 days for there will come the abomination that causes desolations to be issued upon the inhabitants of the earth who have taken the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet. The days remaining until the raptura catching up of the peoples who remain as remnant who have not taken the mark will be only 45 days after the flight from the abomination that causes desolation to come in the trumpet feast fulfillment. This brings us to 16 days more than the leap year alotment for the days which have been cut short for no one would survive is written.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 3:09:34 PM
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Yohannon, Shalom.
IMO, A period of 7 years requires no less than two Adar Bet months. A 3.5 year period could only have one Adar Bet, but more than half of the time would have two. I apologize, but I am having a problem following your sequencing of your first sentence numeric assembly, so must wait to, perhaps, understand later. Just a thought.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 3:13:24 PM
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Don’t you have two events playing out in the last 3 ½ years yohannan? You have the Tribulation brought onto the world created by the man of sin as he turns against Israel primarily at the middle part of the week but also against all those having the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Then you have the wrath of God as in His anger He turns against all unrighteousness. This is pretty well described in Mat 24; you have Great Tribulation in 24:21 but then in verse 24:29 you have the following:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
The signs of the sun and moon are referenced in the complete bible as being the signs of the wrath of God wrath, see Rev 6:12; at the opening of the 6th seal and the Great Day of His wrath has come.
So we have the Great Tribulation but then separate from this we have God’s wrath…they are two different occurrences.
Bob
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 6:33:33 PM
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Yohannon, Shalom.
IMO, A period of 7 years requires no less than two Adar Bet months. A 3.5 year period could only have one Adar Bet, but more than half of the time would have two. I apologize, but I am having a problem following your sequencing of your first sentence numeric assembly, so must wait to, perhaps, understand later. Just a thought.
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Amen, I apologize for my mistake as iron sharpens iron and one begins to add knowledge to Faith; please bear with me.
I notice that the year 5768 or 2007 on the Gregorian calendar corresponds with an Adar Bet year.
Also, seven years from this date is the 5775 Hebrew calendar Harvest year which corresponds with the 2014 Gregorian calendar date. This is two years less than the year 5777 or 2016.
Do you believe that this would bring the last seven year period to a total of 2579 days including the two Adar Months given to Moses? The middle of the seven year period would then be 1290 days if this amount is divided in half which is written as from the time that the Abomination that causes Desolation is set up in Daniel.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 8:13:05 PM
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yohannan, Shalom.
What we must remember, IMO, is that all those days, months, and year markers have a slot to fill, and the only marker, year, is outside the conjunctive count for all the other markers. Consider please, 'Time, Times, and Half a Time,' are used to connote the time all the other markers must fall into, in such a way as to make sense. Three and one half years, Hebrew time, will normally, counting two 'Bet' months, last forty four months, yet the month count is 42. Thus, 42 months cannot be 3.5 years, but one or two months less (month = 29, or 30 days). The only marker that cannot be variable is the count of days, 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335. In these 'day' counts, months and years vary. Also, forty two months does not, can not equal 3.5 years, but will actually fall short by at least one month, depending on how many 'Bet' months are contained in that 42. The 3.5 years is solid, but the number of months and days can vary slightly.
Sidebar ponder, please. Notice that our year 2017 is year 5777 Hebrew (I love Triple '7's) Perchance this be the year of Jubilee number 120?? Count back fifty years to 1967. Something big happened that year regarding Israel, Six day war, and Jerusalem freed. Go back another fifty, to 1917, the year General Allenby took Jerusalem from the Turks without a shot, mostly, I hear, because Allenby sounds a whole lot like Allah Be (Bay), which means Messenger of Allah. You can do this for a number of 50 year counts that come up with something critical to Israel, so perchance this is the cycle of Jubilee? God knows for sure, but this sounds real good.
If all that I espouse is right on track, then we can expect the Tribulation seven to begin this Yom Teruah, and cover the next seven years, with the Abomination of Desolation fitting into the Spring Feasts in 2013; 3 to 4 months after the Mayan calendar shifting gears, or stopping completely.
Nuff said.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 8:27:53 PM
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yohannan, Shalom.
What we must remember, IMO, is that all those days, months, and year markers have a slot to fill, and the only marker, year, is outside the conjunctive count for all the other markers. Consider please, 'Time, Times, and Half a Time,' are used to connote the time all the other markers must fall into, in such a way as to make sense. Three and one half years, Hebrew time, will normally, counting two 'Bet' months, last forty four months, yet the month count is 42. Thus, 42 months cannot be 3.5 years, but one or two months less (month = 29, or 30 days). The only marker that cannot be variable is the count of days, 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335. In these 'day' counts, months and years vary. Also, forty two months does not, can not equal 3.5 years, but will actually fall short by at least one month, depending on how many 'Bet' months are contained in that 42. The 3.5 years is solid, but the number of months and days can vary slightly.
Sidebar ponder, please. Notice that our year 2017 is year 5777 Hebrew (I love Triple '7's) Perchance this be the year of Jubilee number 120?? Count back fifty years to 1967. Something big happened that year regarding Israel, Six day war, and Jerusalem freed. Go back another fifty, to 1917, the year General Allenby took Jerusalem from the Turks without a shot, mostly, I hear, because Allenby sounds a whole lot like Allah Be (Bay), which means Messenger of Allah. You can do this for a number of 50 year counts that come up with something critical to Israel, so perchance this is the cycle of Jubilee? God knows for sure, but this sounds real good.
If all that I espouse is right on track, then we can expect the Tribulation seven to begin this Yom Teruah, and cover the next seven years, with the Abomination of Desolation fitting into the Spring Feasts in 2013; 3 to 4 months after the Mayan calendar shifting gears, or stopping completely.
Nuff said.
In Messiah. Arley
Dearest Arley, it is my belief that the gog and magog war must occur first possibly following the 2012 date given for this would enter into the time where he would prevail concerning the northern Empire(s) and Egypt as written. Thus, 2014-2021 is the more likely window for the implementation of the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet for he will turn his heart concerning Israel as written for they will be a people dwelling in the land as presently is the case and he will begin a confirmed covenant along with ten worldwide leaders who do not have a place given them previously in the Empires as Leadership is written for he will greatly reward those who follow him is written.
Point is taken regarding the quotation of the relative numbers concerning years with respect to a given calendar. I found it helpful to repeat it in triplicate; however it is not in the Scripture in this form.
This year, however, may be an opportune time in which to begin to pray for the dedication of the Work of The Rebuilding of the Temple of God as written for it would be a Prophetic undertaking of Phenomenal Ordination in Sovereignty given of God. Thus, at this time, the High Holy Days are beginning and from this date would take us to 2016 of the new moon Sabbaths for the Consecration and the opening Celebration in accordance with Daniel for the last seven years preceeding The Appearance of Messiah in Judea. September 2009 to the new moon Sabbaths dates as written is likely for the fulfillment of The Word of God while weighing all things so that The Will of God Reigns Foremost.
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/2/2009 11:34:56 PM
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Oseas2
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quote yohannan
>>>1244 days or 41 1/2 months or 4 years minus about 6 months. The time period of about 3 1/2 years is the period of the Prophetic Angelic Desolation Decrees where the Dragon kills his children as written at The Sovereign ordinances of God.
This will include the five month period of suffering of the bottomless pit beings released and the war of Armageddon as written. <<<
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Did you ever meditate in Revelation 16:v.12to16 for a good understanding on the war of Armageddom? It seems a contraction of three words : Ar+Mag(og)+Eddom.
(Rev.16:v.13-14&16)
13 And I saw THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For THEY ARE THE SPIRITS OF DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the KINGS OF THE EARTH and OF THE WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
16 And he gathered them together into a PLACE CALLED in the Hebrew tongue ARMAGEDDON.
Satan will use all his strategy in accord the verses above because the fulfillment of Revelation 11:v. 15&18 :
15 ...The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And THE NATIONS WERE ANGRY, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH.
May the LORD God bless and protect us until the end of all things
In Christ Jesus, KING of the kings and LORD of the lords
Oseas
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RE: New Heaven and New earth question. - 9/3/2009 11:07:19 AM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Oseas2.
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ORIGINAL: Oseas2
Did you ever meditate in Revelation 16:v.12to16 for a good understanding on the war of Armageddom? It seems a contraction of three words : Ar+Mag(og)+Eddom.
(Rev.16:v.13-14&16)
13 And I saw THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For THEY ARE THE SPIRITS OF DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the KINGS OF THE EARTH and OF THE WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
16 And he gathered them together into a PLACE CALLED in the Hebrew tongue ARMAGEDDON.
Satan will use all his strategy in accord the verses above because the fulfillment of Revelation 11:v. 15&18 :
15 ...The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And THE NATIONS WERE ANGRY, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH.
May the LORD God bless and protect us until the end of all things
In Christ Jesus, KING of the kings and LORD of the lords
Oseas
Sorry, but the word "Armageddon" is a Anglicized Helenization of the Hebrew words "Har-Megiddown" which means "mountain or hill of Megiddow" and may refer to one of the peaks in the range south of Mt. Carmel because Megiddow is southeast of Mt. Carmel and the city of Haifa or it may refer to the tel itself. There is an ancient town (a tel, a mound of layered city, consisting of 26 layers some 70 feet tall) at this location. Here's what Wikipedia has to say:
Megiddo (Hebrew: îâéãåý) is a hill in modern Israel near the Kibbutz of Megiddo, known for its historical, geographical, and theological importance.
In ancient times Megiddo was an important city state. It is also known alternatively as Tel Megiddo (Hebrew) and Tell al-Mutesellim (Arabic). Megiddo is a tel (hill or mound) made of 26 layers of the ruins of ancient cities in a strategic location at the head of a pass through the Carmel Ridge, which overlooks the Valley of Jezreel from the west. The name Armageddon mentioned in the New Testament derives from Har Megiddo (Hebrew) meaning Mount of Megiddo.
Its name doesn't have anything to do with "Magog." You can see a good picture of the tel here on Wikipedia and here on enciclopedia. More images of the tel can be seen here at BiblePlaces.
I like what the article at bibarch.com has to say:
Armageddon (AR-ma·GED·don), the mount of Megiddo, according to the New Testament book of Revelation, is once again to host one of the world's major armies in a immense conflict between East and West (Revelation 16:16). The idea of Megiddo being the venue of humanity's apocalyptic finale, the "final" battle in this war called the "Battle of Armageddon", is a misnomer. The actual battle is to occur at Jerusalem and called "the war of the great day of God, the Almighty" (Revelation 16:14 NASB) or the "Battle of That Great Day of God Almighty" (KJV).
At the end of the age, in biblical prophecy, the valley of Megiddo, now known as the valley of Jezreel, will serve as the gathering place for an immense army which will engage the returning messiah, Jesus Christ, and his supernatural army in the Day of the Lord (Revelation 1:10; 16:12-16; 19:19; I Thessalonians 5:2; Joel 1:15; 2:11, 2:31).
Therefore, the REAL battle is the one where Yeshua` haMashiach (Jesus the Messiah or Jesus the Christ) rescues and liberates Jerusalem. Har-Megiddown is where the attacking armies stop retreating from the Yeshua` and His army and think they can make a stand in Geiy-Yizre'el (the Valley of Jezreel), a large, natural staging area. That is where the opposing armies are defeated and destroyed.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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