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Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 2:51:44 AM   
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My husband brought this to my attention:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/obama-draws-fire-for-comments-on-small-town-america
He pointed out that Obama was talking in California to a group of liberals who think that Obama was painting an accurate picture of the rest of the country. Does anyone else think that his including religion in his list of bad things bitter people do really shows what he thinks of Christians who are more than nominal Christians? What do you think of his comments?

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:03:25 AM   
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“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

That thar Brock O-bama is spot-on-I'll- tell- you-whot. I only read those obscure verses in tha book of Romans, just to fuel mah anger, and a bitterness! That is when I'm a not cleanin' mah guuun, or a watchin' that thar Jerry Springer!

Are you all still in the tank for this guy???

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:06:24 AM   
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I think the statements just expose the true Obama; arrogant, racist, ant-American, and possibly a Manchurian Candidate.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:09:14 AM   
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I know he's seen bias in his own life...which makes it sad when he can't see his own bias.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:10:36 AM   
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the last part gave me a laugh.
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I think the statements just expose the true Obama; arrogant, racist, ant-American, and possibly a Manchurian Candidate.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:11:00 AM   
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When you spend 20 years of your life looking up to a spiritural mentor and sitting in a church that teaches this type of garbage it's going to effect exactly what Obama said it does. His values, morals and worldview.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:56:04 AM   
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and possibly a Manchurian Candidate.


While this may have been meant as a joke I truly believe there may be some truth in it. Obama is just a junior senator and I think this is why he is getting support from big name senators like Ted Kennedy. In my opinion their thinking is that if they can get Obama elected then they will have a president that they can control/influence. Compare this with what happens if Hillary is elected, they know they won't have any control over her or Bill.

Regarding the elitist statements made by Barack I think this just adds another piece to the puzzle and helps us to see the whole/true picture of his beliefs. These statements fall right in line with the extreme left. Put that with the comments of his wife, the comments of his pastor, and the lack of judgment in the people he surrounds himself with and we are starting to see who Obama really is.

He can try and spin this as much as he wants, saying that his words are again taken out of context but we have what he said in black and white and there is no denying what he said and/or meant.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 11:58:45 AM   
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Obama is just a junior senator and I think this is why he is getting support from big name senators like Ted Kennedy. In my opinion their thinking is that if they can get Obama elected then they will have a president that they can control/influence. Compare this with what happens if Hillary is elected, they know they won't have any control over her or Bill.



I just don't see how anyone can deny this.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 12:40:38 PM   
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Imagine the furor that would erupt if McCain would make a comment about welfare mothers in the 'hood. The blatent double standard in the media is maddening.

The RNC should take the statement and start using it in "fly over country" and then close with a question "is this the kind of man you want leading our country>"

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 1:54:09 PM   
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Imagine the furor that would erupt if McCain would make a comment about welfare mothers in the 'hood. The blatent double standard in the media is maddening.

The RNC should take the statement and start using it in "fly over country" and then close with a question "is this the kind of man you want leading our country>"


Oh you bet!

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 2:27:07 PM   
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and possibly a Manchurian Candidate.


While this may have been meant as a joke I truly believe there may be some truth in it. Obama is just a junior senator and I think this is why he is getting support from big name senators like Ted Kennedy. In my opinion their thinking is that if they can get Obama elected then they will have a president that they can control/influence. Compare this with what happens if Hillary is elected, they know they won't have any control over her or Bill.

Regarding the elitist statements made by Barack I think this just adds another piece to the puzzle and helps us to see the whole/true picture of his beliefs. These statements fall right in line with the extreme left. Put that with the comments of his wife, the comments of his pastor, and the lack of judgment in the people he surrounds himself with and we are starting to see who Obama really is.

He can try and spin this as much as he wants, saying that his words are again taken out of context but we have what he said in black and white and there is no denying what he said and/or meant.


I did not mean the post as a joke, I only paused with whether to say "Possibly a Manchurian Candidate" or to say "Probably a Manchurian Candidate".

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 3:14:07 PM   
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I did not mean the post as a joke, I only paused with whether to say "Possibly a Manchurian Candidate" or to say "Probably a Manchurian Candidate".


Not being sure what your intent was I decided to take the safer more polite route with my response.

Something else to think about that is becoming clearer as time goes on; There is definitely a difference between the way Barack speaks when reading from a prepared speech and just talking off the cuff.

Look at his initial response when the issue of Rev. Wright hit the news. When he was first questioned by reporters and he was just talking he looked like he didn't know what to say and some of his comments were not clear and he struggled to say the right thing.

Give him a day and a room full of speech writers (he claims he wrote that speech himself but I sincerely doubt it), and he comes off looking smooth again. Some were even comparing his speech to that of Dr. Martin Luther King.

Every time he speaks off the cuff he seems to put his foot in his mouth. Now the point to consider is that IF he manages to win the presidency he will be our ambassador to the rest of the world. What happens if he "misspeaks" when talking to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the president of Iran, or President Musharraf of Pakistan and says something to severely insult them.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 3:55:58 PM   
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Imagine the furor that would erupt if McCain would make a comment about welfare mothers in the 'hood. The blatent double standard in the media is maddening.


While I certainly agree with this point, I honestly didn't think what Obama said was all that out of line - and I'm from a small town in Indiana. I could point you to ten people I personally know who could fit this description. That doesn't make it any less of a gross over-generalization or detract from what it probably does say about his bias and his elitis/socialist mindset. We are blowing smoke, however to act indignant and not acknowledge there's at least some truth to it.

But it was just a ridiculously stupid thing to say from a political standpoint - just another glaring example of his inexperience. I kinda have to give him credit for standing by it, though. Most (all) politicians would backtrack anytime they're called on a statement. I think it makes him naive and stupid but I have to admire him sticking to his guns - I can afford to enjoy that because I also enjoy seeing his feet put to the fire for a change at least by some in the media.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 5:12:05 PM   
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o.k. I'm going to make some people mad here, but taken in context, I agree with Barack's statement...

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“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”


How many communities have shut down steel mills or auto plants, or factories, or have seen their jobs shipped to some foreign country and suddenly blame, blacks or whites or illegal immigrants or gays for their economic troubles. These are the people who turn their bitterness and frustrations into hate groups like the KKK or Fred Phelps group or Nation of Islam and see anyone not like "them" as a threat.

One may disagree with Obama's politics but there is truth to his statement. There is a lot of frustration in America over the a war with no end in site, an economy that is in a recession, a congress the went from republican run "do nothing" to democratic "deadlocked" and a President who has soiled the reputation of the United States for decades to come.

Even the "church" has been affected. Look at how divided the "church" is over politics. Even to the point of questioning another believer's faith, authenticity or commitment based, not on their walk with God, but on their political affiliation.

How many "churches" have blamed 9/11 and Katrina and other natural or man-made disasters on homosexuals or liberals or democrats or illegal aliens or muslims or the media, etc.?
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 5:32:51 PM   
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Who stepped up during Katrina? Nagans fault he knew the levey would break, been told for years. Christians ( alot of white, and black) helped, and still are. That stupid statement by Bo man, shows that he thinks we are just weak Christians who hang on to God in the bad times. KInd of a crutch for the weak. That we want to go postal killing people with our bitter hearts and guns.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 5:34:06 PM   
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quote:

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o.k. I'm going to make some people mad here, but taken in context, I agree with Barack's statement...

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“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”


How many communities have shut down steel mills or auto plants, or factories, or have seen their jobs shipped to some foreign country and suddenly blame, blacks or whites or illegal immigrants or gays for their economic troubles. These are the people who turn their bitterness and frustrations into hate groups like the KKK or Fred Phelps group or Nation of Islam and see anyone not like "them" as a threat.

One may disagree with Obama's politics but there is truth to his statement. There is a lot of frustration in America over the a war with no end in site, an economy that is in a recession, a congress the went from republican run "do nothing" to democratic "deadlocked" and a President who has soiled the reputation of the United States for decades to come.

Even the "church" has been affected. Look at how divided the "church" is over politics. Even to the point of questioning another believer's faith, authenticity or commitment based, not on their walk with God, but on their political affiliation.

How many "churches" have blamed 9/11 and Katrina and other natural or man-made disasters on homosexuals or liberals or democrats or illegal aliens or muslims or the media, etc.?


I don't doubt there are sentiments of bitterness in a small towns blaming illegal aliens, job losses due to corporate bottomlines, etc. But as someone who was raise in a small town and still have family members in a small town I find it very offensive to put those "with guns" or "believe in Jesus" as bitter and basically discounting values these citizens, yes, citizens believe. It is simply a biased view no different than views he speaks out about - same thing different face. Wrong is wrong no matter whose mouth bias comes.

Maybe those he was giving the speech to had deeper financial pockets than small town Americans...that is unless he's going after the NASCAR crowd.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 5:38:21 PM   
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Bitterness is what he learned from his mentor, that all that has been spewed for 20 years. What else would he think about the Christian life?
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evangel70

o.k. I'm going to make some people mad here, but taken in context, I agree with Barack's statement...

quote:

“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”


How many communities have shut down steel mills or auto plants, or factories, or have seen their jobs shipped to some foreign country and suddenly blame, blacks or whites or illegal immigrants or gays for their economic troubles. These are the people who turn their bitterness and frustrations into hate groups like the KKK or Fred Phelps group or Nation of Islam and see anyone not like "them" as a threat.

One may disagree with Obama's politics but there is truth to his statement. There is a lot of frustration in America over the a war with no end in site, an economy that is in a recession, a congress the went from republican run "do nothing" to democratic "deadlocked" and a President who has soiled the reputation of the United States for decades to come.

Even the "church" has been affected. Look at how divided the "church" is over politics. Even to the point of questioning another believer's faith, authenticity or commitment based, not on their walk with God, but on their political affiliation.

How many "churches" have blamed 9/11 and Katrina and other natural or man-made disasters on homosexuals or liberals or democrats or illegal aliens or muslims or the media, etc.?


I don't doubt there are sentiments of bitterness in a small towns blaming illegal aliens, job losses due to corporate bottomlines, etc. But as someone who was raise in a small town and still have family members in a small town I find it very offensive to put those "with guns" or "believe in Jesus" as bitter and basically discounting values these citizens, yes, citizens believe. It is simply a biased view no different than views he speaks out about - same thing different face.

Maybe those he was giving the speech to had deeper financial pockets than small town Americans...that is unless he's going after the NASCAR crowd.


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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 5:42:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evangel70

o.k. I'm going to make some people mad here, but taken in context, I agree with Barack's statement...

quote:

“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”


How many communities have shut down steel mills or auto plants, or factories, or have seen their jobs shipped to some foreign country and suddenly blame, blacks or whites or illegal immigrants or gays for their economic troubles. These are the people who turn their bitterness and frustrations into hate groups like the KKK or Fred Phelps group or Nation of Islam and see anyone not like "them" as a threat.

One may disagree with Obama's politics but there is truth to his statement. There is a lot of frustration in America over the a war with no end in site, an economy that is in a recession, a congress the went from republican run "do nothing" to democratic "deadlocked" and a President who has soiled the reputation of the United States for decades to come.

Even the "church" has been affected. Look at how divided the "church" is over politics. Even to the point of questioning another believer's faith, authenticity or commitment based, not on their walk with God, but on their political affiliation.

How many "churches" have blamed 9/11 and Katrina and other natural or man-made disasters on homosexuals or liberals or democrats or illegal aliens or muslims or the media, etc.?



First, you obviously have a right to your opinion, that is what these forums are for, to allow people to discuss different sides of an issue. Unfortunately you are correct that there are some people here who take offense to people's opinions and see it as a personal attack.

I think the point here is not so much the fact that there are some, and I say some people who do feel and react that way. In that sense, yes there is some truth to what Barack says.

The problem here is that he is applying that logic to everyone in most small towns. Barack has repeatedly made the statement that he is for change, that he is a uniter, but he continually uses the same old political tactics that every politician uses and ends up dividing people rather than uniting them, just read most of the threads here relating to Barack.

You have to look at not just what he said but where he said it, he made these comments while speaking to a group of wealthy California donors in San Francisco. He was not addressing the people he was talking about. He was pandering to the wealthy to try and get support.

If he wanted to encourage the people of the small towns that they can make progress where there hasn't been before then he should have saved that speech for when he was in those small towns. Why would he make these statements to the rich people of a large metropolitan area? Because he was trying to fit in with their beliefs. Just my opinion.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 5:54:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evangel70

o.k. I'm going to make some people mad here, but taken in context, I agree with Barack's statement...

quote:

“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”


How many communities have shut down steel mills or auto plants, or factories, or have seen their jobs shipped to some foreign country and suddenly blame, blacks or whites or illegal immigrants or gays for their economic troubles. These are the people who turn their bitterness and frustrations into hate groups like the KKK or Fred Phelps group or Nation of Islam and see anyone not like "them" as a threat.

One may disagree with Obama's politics but there is truth to his statement. There is a lot of frustration in America over the a war with no end in site, an economy that is in a recession, a congress the went from republican run "do nothing" to democratic "deadlocked" and a President who has soiled the reputation of the United States for decades to come.

Even the "church" has been affected. Look at how divided the "church" is over politics. Even to the point of questioning another believer's faith, authenticity or commitment based, not on their walk with God, but on their political affiliation.

How many "churches" have blamed 9/11 and Katrina and other natural or man-made disasters on homosexuals or liberals or democrats or illegal aliens or muslims or the media, etc.?


In Katrina's case in New Orleans it was the years and years of corrupt democratic elected officials that led to the failure of the levees. Even worse than the failure of the levees was the failure of the Orleans Parish School system to adequately educate their students so they could get off the plantation in the first place. I live in the state and lived in New Orleans and understand a bit more of the history and mindset of the people here. Huey P. Long wasn't called a dictator for nothing.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 6:29:41 PM   
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First of all, I think Obama's choice of words was very unwise to say the least "...they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

I grew up as a religious, deer hunting boy and I hardly considered myself bitter :). But of course his larger point was to recognize there are a lot of frustrated people in blue collar towns all across America. The latter part of his statement was right on. And I recall during one of the debates he told a caller from the inner city not to use immigrants as a scape goat (that took guts on national tv).

As inexperienced as Obama is, I'm amazed he hasn't made more such blunders (he's been campaigning over a year now). I'm sure it won't be the last...just as Clinton and McCain will make some blunders in the days ahead.


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The problem here is that he is applying that logic to everyone in most small towns.


I really doubt he is applying that logic to "everyone."

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Barack "the same old political tactics that every politician uses and ends up dividing people rather than uniting them, just read most of the threads here relating to Barack.


IMO, the response by some on these thread says more about their own divisive reactions than anything Obama has said to date.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 6:35:19 PM   
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I think making a big deal of his comments is a result of people overreacting or simply needing something to talk/gossip about. What he said was no big deal and actually contains quite a bit of truth.

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 6:42:42 PM   
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I think making a big deal of his comments is a result of people overreacting or simply needing something to talk/gossip about. What he said was no big deal and actually contains quite a bit of truth.


And pray tell what truth are you referring to?

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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/12/2008 7:05:20 PM   
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Obama was pandering to a crowd of leftists. He has attended a racist church for 20 years simply because doing so was politically expediant..His economics is of a leftist bent and he has no clue on how to run a company much less a country. I would rather vote for the character of Chauncey Gardener from the movie "Being There" than this flim-flam artist.

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