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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:32:30 AM
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tafkam
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Sorry I'm not buying that the OP didn't know anything about that particular source...
It's okay, liberals can quote any leftist news source they care to, and we must accept it as gospel.
Let a conservative quote TownHall, however, and the tarring and feathering begins....
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:33:13 AM
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Until I hear her Pastor screaming from the pulpit "cursing" America....Until I hear her Pastor going on racist rants....
there's no comparison between the two. at all....
New rules. Criticize America or white people - bad church. Criticize liberals and condemn them to hell - good church. I'll keep that in mind.
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Well put.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:34:16 AM
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I guess we'll know more soon, because the media is now sure ot try and dig up anything and everything they can about Palin, including her church background.
But, of course, if they criticize her church background, that brings up the comparisons to Obama's church. ...That oculd backfire as Palin is a VP candidnate and Obama the Prez nominee...it'd be more damaging to Obama if they went at it over church affiliations and pastors....
Totally agree. No matter how "out there" Palin's church is, Obama's church committed the ultimate sin of all: speaking bad against white people. The voters who are up for grabs will accept devil worship before they accept that. Advantage: Palin.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:36:03 AM
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I will say that I don't think any living person has the right to say another person is going to hell, but until I sit in the pew of that church myself or watch some full sermons I will take everything I read with a tablespoon of salt.
p.s. saying GD America is unacceptable in any context IMHO. truth be told when the info about Obama's pastor came out and I listened to some of his sermons on the internet... that's when I stopped thinking I might be able to accept Obama being president. In the end I disagreed with his politics anyway I guess... but the Wright incident made me lose a lot of respect for Obama.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:36:13 AM
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Any church that would spew hatred or bigorty is a church to be dismissed, no matter what the skin color of the congregation is....
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:36:40 AM
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Until I hear her Pastor screaming from the pulpit "cursing" America....Until I hear her Pastor going on racist rants....
there's no comparison between the two. at all....
New rules. Criticize America or white people - bad church. Criticize liberals and condemn them to hell - good church. I'll keep that in mind.
- Julius
there's a difference between 'criticizing" America......and, "cursing" America, and using that foul language that Obama's minister used.
There's a difference between criticizing "liberals"....and being totally racist in remarks from the pulpit.
Had that been Trent Lott's pastor (or ANY OTHER conservative white politician)....being JUST AS "racist" towards blacks as Obama's was towards whites.....that WOULD have been "an issue".....
be racist towards white people= OK
even insinuate a "racist attitude" towards black people (or any other "group" that the libs pander to): NOT OK
i'll keep that in mind
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:41:22 AM
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Before you libs get orgasmic over this; please not that that the article is referrencing the Church Ms. Palin attended as a Child.
And anyone that voted for Kerry could well be in danger of hell fire unless they have repented of supporting the killing innocent children and the sin of homosexuality. Oh I forgot; H. Hussein Obama goes a step farther and wats to include infanticide in the mix.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:53:38 AM
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The Huffington Post...  
Sorry I'm not buying that the OP didn't know anything about that particular source...
Now Raivyne I don't know you and take offense to this type of comment. Essentially you are calling me a liar and you had better be prepared to defend that accussation before Christ.
To not accuse your Brother without solid basis. I, in fact, did not and do not know of hte reputation of the Huffington Post. I have read exactly a whopping total of two articles from it. The one above and this one on Obama's racial politics, which I thought was well done!:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-kurashige/the-future-is-now-califo_b_85915.html
I found both articles when doing web searches on election material. If I am lying before Christ about this, then let Him strike me down.
Btw, here's a brief excerpt from the above article link about the "newness" Obama's racial politics for the DEM's:
For this reason, the Obama campaign is the only one with movement building potential and why we all have a stake in its efforts to build a multiracial coalition on new ground. Following the dictates of pollsters and consultants, traditional Democrats carve us all up into "interest groups," so they can push the hot buttons that reinforce our sense of victimization and vilify the other side. Obama has learned -- both from his study of what historian Charles Payne has called the black freedom struggle's "organizing tradition" and from his experience organizing against the depths of despair in Chicago's deindustrialized South Side -- that such an approach is not only ineffective but also spiritually bankrupt. If you are just a "minority leader," then you're not really a leader at all. If you are only fighting for your "fair share" of the riches controlled by those in power, you'll never address the root causes of oppression. Above all is the sense that none of us can be free in America or face the global crises of our lifetime until we change the whole country. That is why Obama has the "audacity" to think he is the best person to lead the entire nation.
It is clear from the California result that we will now be witness to a paradigm shifting clash between two consciously multiracial organizing strategies. Clinton's appeal is to give all minorities a seat at the table and a share of the pie. Obama challenges us to see ourselves instead as a collective majority. The fact that black voters have switched nearly wholesale from Clinton to Obama is far more noteworthy than the pundits acknowledge, signaling trouble not only for Hillary but for all black politicians who have pledged allegiance to the Democratic machine. Now we will see the degree to which Latinos and Asians will forego the certainties Clinton promises to embrace the challenge and hope Obama offers.
There is no reason to predict what will happen with the rest of the campaign. The choice is clear. This is a moment when critical ideas and actions will prove decisive not only to the future of the Democratic Party but also the fate of the whole nation.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 9:57:03 AM
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Rev. Wright is an angry black man with a root of bitterness that runs so deep it may never be extracted. He used the pulpit, from which he was responsible for shepherding Christians, to encourage hatred and suspicion of whites by any means necessary, which included proclaiming lies as truth (HIV created by whites). Not only was he a false teacher, he also preached a false gospel and a false Jesus. There is a difference between someone who sits in a church that occasionally teaches a non-essential doctrine they disagree with such as eschatology or communion or who is a better presidential candidate, and someone who sits in a church for 20 years under the ignorant racism of the venomous anti-Christian preaching of Rev. Wright.
I have yet to see anything even remotely comparable between Mrs. Palin's childhood church and Trinity United. The left is just mad because their candidate has horrible judgment in choosing personal associations, while the Republican ticket doesn't have to hide from theirs.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:22:39 AM
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while the Republican ticket doesn't have to hide from theirs.
so why is Sarah Palin hiding? Have you seen any unscripted interviews?
If she can't handle reporters , she is suppose to be able to handle world affairs?
Sarah, where are you hiding?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:26:35 AM
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Hiding? What makes you think she's hiding?
She's been on the national stage for a week....you will have two whole months to salivate over her and dissect her answers to your hearts content (and I'm sure your "conclusions" will be nothing short of entertaining...)
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:29:06 AM
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Jhud
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so why is Sarah Palin hiding? Have you seen any unscripted interviews?
If she can't handle reporters , she is suppose to be able to handle world affairs?
Sarah, where are you hiding?
Actually, it looks like the media elites are afraid to interview her.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:30:06 AM
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I will say that I don't think any living person has the right to say another person is going to hell, but until I sit in the pew of that church myself or watch some full sermons I will take everything I read with a tablespoon of salt.
p.s. saying GD America is unacceptable in any context IMHO. truth be told when the info about Obama's pastor came out and I listened to some of his sermons on the internet... that's when I stopped thinking I might be able to accept Obama being president. In the end I disagreed with his politics anyway I guess... but the Wright incident made me lose a lot of respect for Obama.
Let me guess - you "listened to some of (Wright's) sermons on the Internet" - the ones that someone else selected for you to hear, and, for all we know, edited into the bargain.
My question is, if you have to travel to back country Alaska to "sit in the pew of that church (your)self " to determine whether or not you agree with the religious views of Palin's congregation/pastor, why not take the much easier trip to Chicago in order to extend the same courtesy to Wright?
Or was it just easier to let somebody else decide for you how to think?
Just a question - did you insist on hearing Wright's 'full sermons' as you are insisting on hearing 'full sermons' from Palin's pastor?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:32:56 AM
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HAs anyone actually quoted anything by Palin's pastor that is controversial? I'm looking through the thread and I'm not seeing it.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:33:51 AM
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Let me guess - you "listened to some of (Wright's) sermons on the Internet" - the ones that someone else selected for you to hear, and, for all we know, edited into the bargain.
My question is, if you have to travel to back country Alaska to "sit in the pew of that church (your)self " to determine whether or not you agree with the religious views of Palin's congregation/pastor, why not take the much easier trip to Chicago in order to extend the same courtesy to Wright?
Or was it just easier to let somebody else decide for you how to think?
According to the new rules...youtube videos are always edited.....
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:34:41 AM
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What "America" was Obamas pastor referring to? North America? South America? or was it the United States?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:35:13 AM
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youtube videos are always edited.....
Um, no, but when you can audibly hear the edit, it's a pretty good guess that it was....(and yes I'm referencing that gem of a video you posted on Srah palin and the radio interview)
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:41:47 AM
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Let me guess - you "listened to some of (Wright's) sermons on the Internet" - the ones that someone else selected for you to hear,
in contrast......take ANY selections, bits or pieces from ANY of my pastor's sermons.....and, you'll NEVER EVER hear ANYTHING even remotely as insulting as Obama's pastor.
what does "above reproach" mean?
not only that....but, when is "cursing" from the pulpit become acceptable? certainly not in MY church. Saying "GD" in ANY "context" should result in the pastor getting his mouth washed out with a bar of soap.
is that the way we want OUR kids to talk? if the pastor can say words like "GD", then, who cannot?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:43:39 AM
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I am still waiting for a link or a quote to something the man actually said that was controversial - anyone got one? It seems everyone is just speculating.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:45:31 AM
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I saw it Swedish. It was posted by the church. He was not taken out of context. It is not a sermon, more of a political rally.
What I find so revolting about Rev Wright is that he profits off of the bitterness of black people.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 10:59:05 AM
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Actually, it looks like the media elites are afraid to interview her.
Oprah? Your kidding right.. !!!!!
You want a antichrist interviewing her. that's ok now?
Wow.
Now we are willing to let Sarah talk about her faith on the Oprah show?
I'm stunned at how far we will go.........
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 11:02:52 AM
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What I find so revolting about Rev Wright is that he profits off of the bitterness of black people.
the entire democratic party profits off the "bitterness" of the people....it's why their main themes are "class warfare" and "entitlement programs".....
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 11:04:56 AM
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I am still waiting for a link or a quote to something the man actually said that was controversial - anyone got one? It seems everyone is just speculating.
I am waiting as well?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 11:05:08 AM
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Oprah? Your kidding right.. !!!!!
You want a antichrist interviewing her. that's ok now?
Wow.
Now we are willing to let Sarah talk about her faith on the Oprah show?
I'm stunned at how far we will go.........
I didn't say I wanted her to, just that she was afraid to, because she is an Obama groupie.
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