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President Obama - 11/6/2008 1:51:28 PM
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jbow
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Barak Obama is our new president. We need to respect him and honor both the office and him. He has, as of yet, done nothing to agree with or disagree with other than try to get Rahm Emmanuel to be chief of staff. I disagree wit hthe decision but I respect it. Rahm is highly partisan and mean about it. He is a poor choice if Obamatruly wants to reach out to conservatives and republicans... but it is his decision, he is the president elect. Maybe Obama didn't consider how partisan Rahm is and will get someone else since the COS is the the interface, if you will, between the executive and the congress and needs to work well with the opposition. I don't think it's a good decision but I will not say anything bad about Obama for making it.
Anyway... as for me. I am going to respect both the man and the office and give him the benefit of the doubt. He is my president and I wish him well. I will fight any policy i disagree with but I will NOT disrepect the man or the office. As a Christian I realize that the election is over and he won.
If you disagree with policy, fight against it but do not, as a Christian, disrespect the president or the office of the president. 2012 will be here before you know it, maybe things will change, maybe not... but we, as Christians, are not of this world and the King we serve is not of this world. If I understand the King correctly... we are not to speak slanderously of dignitaries or leaders. We are to submit and live in submission, not to any law that requires us to go against out Lords commands but to live under the rule of law.
I think we should not emulate the left and the way they slandered president Bush, (i've even seen suppossed Christians do it). The left is a lawless crowd... we are not. We, as Christians need, I think, to be very careful to not be like the godless ones on the left who think it nothing to slander a leader because they disagree with policy. Attack the policy, not the man.
Just my 2 cents...
Julien
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RE: President Obama - 11/6/2008 1:57:58 PM
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Reasonable and rational,,, and a good attitude. I like what you said there.
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RE: President Obama - 11/6/2008 1:58:10 PM
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TorchHeart
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Not to take away from you, jbow, because I admire what you're posting here, and I see it as a genuine attempt to make peace between both sides. God bless you for it, too.
The right has also done its share of slandering and name-calling in the past, as well (let's not forget the Clinton Presidency, though that's no excuse for some of what's transpired the past 8 years). When you look back we're not any more lawful than the "lawless" left. At least in my opinion.
Also, there are Christians on both sides.... the left and the right. Instead of just the right needing to maintain its composure and refrain from attacking Obama needlessly, the left needs to reach over and at least listen to the views of the right and realize that they too want want is best for this country, and that they too have good ideas on how to set things right. with Christians on both sides of the asile, we should be the ones to lead this.
In regards to Rahm, I agree, he's very partisan, but maybe these names will make you feel a bit better. They're also on Obama's short list for high-ranking cabinet positions:
Robert Gates, Chuck Hegal and Dick Luger.
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RE: President Obama - 11/6/2008 2:08:49 PM
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Jbow, my feelings exactly! I couldn't have said it better myself.
I was going for McCain. But Obama was elected and I wish him well and hope for the best, and the best thing we can do is pray for our new President and just be active and involved with whatever issues may come up.
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RE: President Obama - 11/6/2008 5:32:23 PM
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Awesome thread!!! I agree, if you don't like something fight the policy not disrespect the person. I learned way back when I was kid that calling people names won't get you far!
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RE: President Obama - 11/6/2008 5:53:58 PM
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Good post Jbow. Obama is definetly going to need the prayers of the righteous. I have to admit I was a little disappointed when he won. I voted for McCain and seemed to get slammed from family members b/c I voted for him. Anyways, God is in control. The Word of God exhorts us to pray for those in leadership. Obama has many great tasks ahead of him and I pray God will give him the strength he needs.
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RE: President Obama - 11/6/2008 6:20:45 PM
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solo_soprano23
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Awesome thread!!! I agree, if you don't like something fight the policy not disrespect the person. I learned way back when I was kid that calling people names won't get you far!
People here need to learn that too.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 10:27:31 AM
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Barak Obama is our new president. We need to respect him and honor both the office and him. He has, as of yet, done nothing to agree with or disagree with other than try to get Rahm Emmanuel to be chief of staff.
I appreciate your motives behind your "cents" but may I offer a dollar's worth?
I am not able to intellectually reconcile how you grant someone a clean slate as they abide under a differnt title. To imply that he has not done , said, gestured, or legislated anything to disagree with seems intellectually dishonest imo.
I would rather imply prayer for rather than whole hearted blind allegiance. After all even if he ends up being an enemy of the faith, he , at the very least warrants that according to scipture.
And hopefully we can diffuse some of these nuts on here that interpret reasoned disagreement applied to BO policy as "hate".
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 11:03:46 AM
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Attack the policy, not the man.
That is what most of us have been doing. The man is of little value in these discussions. It's the politices they desire to enact that have Christians working harder than ever.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 11:21:41 AM
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LabGuy
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Attack the policy, not the man.
That is what most of us have been doing. The man is of little value in these discussions. It's the politices they desire to enact that have Christians working harder than ever.
But when the man does do wrong, he must be called to task for it. As God had Nathan do with King David.
(No comparison between Obama and David is intended.)
-Robb
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 11:22:06 AM
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jbow
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My point is that we should not slander the man. I heard way too much of that when Clinton was in office and even more against Bush... I don't care for the name calling and slander. I also find it really easy to fall into. We can and should fight against any policy that we disagree with but we don't have to make it personal, as Christians. People are going to do it anyway but do you think that we, as Christians, should join in the personal attacks and name calling of a sitting president or a president elect? I don't feel that way about a candidate or an ex-president but the office gives a certain stature to a man.
If he moves outside of the law and becomes oppressive we should then fight against him personally. If we don't like his politics then we should fight against them and expect our representatives to do the same. If he lies, we should call him a liar. If he does something that is anti-American we should call it what it is.
I see no option other than to wait and see waht he does since he is president elect. He record and his words do not agree. I will be interested to see who he really is and from where he will rule.
Don't misunderstand me, I do not trust him and I expect the worst. I expect he may be as bad as FDR and maybe as bad as Woodrow Wilson. We better hope he isn't as bad as Lincoln. Time will tell... I expect the worst but I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
J
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ORIGINAL: jbow
Barak Obama is our new president. We need to respect him and honor both the office and him. He has, as of yet, done nothing to agree with or disagree with other than try to get Rahm Emmanuel to be chief of staff.
I appreciate your motives behind your "cents" but may I offer a dollar's worth?
I am not able to intellectually reconcile how you grant someone a clean slate as they abide under a differnt title. To imply that he has not done , said, gestured, or legislated anything to disagree with seems intellectually dishonest imo.
I would rather imply prayer for rather than whole hearted blind allegiance. After all even if he ends up being an enemy of the faith, he , at the very least warrants that according to scipture.
And hopefully we can diffuse some of these nuts on here that interpret reasoned disagreement applied to BO policy as "hate".
< Message edited by jbow -- 11/7/2008 11:31:41 AM >
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 11:27:06 AM
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jbow
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Sorry, I have no problem bashing a candidate. They are fair game as a candidate. However once a president is elected they rise to the office and gain a certain respect that is unearned but is conferred by the office. A candidate does not have that and is open to personal scrutiny and attack.
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I think we should not emulate the left and the way they slandered president Bush, (i've even seen suppossed Christians do it). The left is a lawless crowd... we are not. We, as Christians need, I think, to be very careful to not be like the godless ones on the left who think it nothing to slander a leader because they disagree with policy. Attack the policy, not the man.
Well said statement but a little too late. As you can see by the pages of Obama-bashing threads on this folder, those who voted for McCain are already calling President Obama everything from the anti-Christ to a world dictator. It won't be long before the "Election" folder becomes an Obama-bashing one-stop.
As the threads already show, lawless and godless people exist among the crowds on the right as they do among the left. Obama hasn't even taken office yet and the attacks from "Christians" has already begun. 
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 11:57:48 AM
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Personally, I think Rahm was a good choice. The guy's a pitbull and is willing to go up against anyone. The Democrats are divided enough among themselves, that factions within will be trying to push their agendas to the front\top.
With Rahm, Obama has someone with a proven track record, to send in and "protect" Obama's agenda. Once the ground rules are set within the Democratic Party, on how things will be between them and President Obama; then Obama can address things with the Republicans.
Obama in the Executive and the Democrats strength in Congress, doesn't translate into unicorns and rainbows, rather it's unharness "power" that has to be harnessed and focused, because left unharnessed and unfocused, it can do as much damage as it can good. It's naive to think that ALL of the Democrats are on the same page and that the Republicans are the only problems. There are Democrats that are problems to Obama too.
Even among the Democrats, Rahm is more feared, than respected. He compliments, more than contrasts, with Obama; fills in for Obama's weaknesses. Helps complete the package. That's why I think he's a good choice.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 1:46:55 PM
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gracen77
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Jbow,
Excellent thread and wisdom regarding our
new leader. It takes much humility in many
things. The Lord finally got me to a new way
of thinking. It's "Thy will be done." Yes, for
there is much I still don't fully understand.
God, however, regarding leaders revealed
to us how He does things. Now, we know that
Moses was His man sent to do a job. Pharaoh
didn't cooperate at first. Yet, God said in the
book of Exodus, Ex 10: 1 that "He" hardened
Pharaoh's heart for "His" purposes. God had
a plan not disclosed to Moses at first, yet in
the end, it glorified God. Some are saved even
today due to "God's" ways, not ours. Is 55:8,9.
I trust our Sovereign Lord. Praise His Holy Name!
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 4:58:51 PM
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Jhud
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Well said statement but a little too late. As you can see by the pages of Obama-bashing threads on this folder, those who voted for McCain are already calling President Obama everything from the anti-Christ to a world dictator. It won't be long before the "Election" folder becomes an Obama-bashing one-stop.
As the threads already show, lawless and godless people exist among the crowds on the right as they do among the left. Obama hasn't even taken office yet and the attacks from "Christians" has already begun.
I think when the number of threads criticizing President Obama come close to a third of those already in the Bush critique forum (currently sitting at nearly three thousand posts, not counting those that have gone away over time) you can begin whining about how poorly treated he is.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 5:01:10 PM
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Jhud
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In the meantime - I agree we should respect Obama's role as President and leader of this country, and hope and pray that he leads wisely and with compassion, and that he is successful at addressing some of our very real problems that effect all of us.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 5:04:16 PM
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Hey Fritz, when are you going to start a President Obama critique one stop thread?
Thanks
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 5:09:23 PM
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kernsfamily
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Barak Obama is our new president. We need to respect him and honor both the office and him.
Right....
We need to be ENTIRELY and COMPLETELY different than the Democrats have been for the past 8 years.
That's made me wonder.
As a show of "Welcoming" Obama's staffers to the White House in January, will the members of Bush's administration leave the White House a vandalized disaster? Up to, and including, removing the "O" from every computer keyboard?
Well, I guess you can scratch that idea off as "unoriginal"....that's pretty much what Clinton's people did when George W. took office....
talk about disrespectful, dishonorable and hateful.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 5:48:17 PM
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relady
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We need to be ENTIRELY and COMPLETELY different than the Democrats have been for the past 8 years. True, and the Republicans for the 8 years before that. I agree completely. Time to change the tone....past time.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 6:02:16 PM
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He has, as of yet, done nothing to agree with or disagree He has a whole (admittedly sketchy) history of doing things I disagree with.
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 6:07:39 PM
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FreddieD
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Personally, I feel led to offer the same amount of respect, latitude and deference to The One that was afforded President Bush.
The difference between President-elect Obama bashing and President Bush bashing is that President Bush earned it.
FreddieD
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RE: President Obama - 11/7/2008 6:09:55 PM
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rcjames
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Well here is my skinny on the deal;
The sun has came up three mornings in a row since Obama was elected; so the world is not coming to an end; not right now anyway.
I will wait and see what his first 100 days brings and then make my decision.
His first actl the Choosing Rom Emmanuel as Chief of Staff does not give me much hope in anything but a far left looney bin adminstration..
Thanks
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