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Souls that are in prison - 6/19/2008 4:55:58 PM
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loco79
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Why would Jesus need to preach to souls that are in prison if there is only a heaven and hell?
1 Pet 3:18-19
Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, 19 In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:
Why is there a need to preach to the dead that they may live according to God?
1 Pet 4:5-6
Who shall render account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to the dead: That they might be judged indeed according to men, in the flesh: but may live according to God, in the Spirit.
What is the age to come? and if the age to come is heaven or the new earth, then why would any sins need to be forgiven?
Mat 12:31-32
Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/19/2008 5:27:50 PM
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This might be more appropriate to the Purgatory thread. :)
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/20/2008 11:38:33 AM
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1 Pet 3:18-20 in NASB:
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
Those are people NOW in prison that ONCE disobedient in the time of Noah. Through Noah, Christ gave warning of impending doom that they ignored until it was too late. Jesus has NOW made provision for us to escape the wrath to come that many will do just like they did in the days of Noah until it is too late.
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/23/2008 6:07:07 PM
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DougHorton
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Right, Jimbo. We were all in prison before He released us. This verse refers to releasing believers from the curse of death. Don't try to read into it more than what Peter meant.
< Message edited by DougHorton -- 6/23/2008 6:13:16 PM >
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/24/2008 11:41:08 AM
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loco79
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I will do some more research on the first verse I used, and yet you still did not address the other two. I am not trying to start an agrument or anything I am just curious as to your position on the other two verses.
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/24/2008 11:48:01 AM
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loco79
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quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
1 Pet 3:18-20 in NASB:
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
Those are people NOW in prison that ONCE disobedient in the time of Noah. Through Noah, Christ gave warning of impending doom that they ignored until it was too late. Jesus has NOW made provision for us to escape the wrath to come that many will do just like they did in the days of Noah until it is too late.
I did some research on the verse and have a few questions. Jesus preached to these souls after his death, I always understood that once Jesus died there was only heaven and hell. And the people who died before where in a waiting place but i havent found that it was specifcally called prison. Also I thought that once he died the people in the waiting place automatically went to heaven upon his death. So to me I am confused on why he would need to later an preach to them.
Please feel free to comment, that is why i am asking these questions. To sum up, I believe that there was a waiting place for souls until Jesus' death. Once he died they automatically go to heaven. And if they are in heaven, and the only other place is hell, then were does prison fit into all of this.
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/24/2008 11:56:55 AM
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The same reasoning applies to 1 Pet 4:5-6. We were the dead who had the gospel preached to us. We are still under the judgement of the curse, but will "live according to God, in the Spirit."
The age to come is the age after Judgment Day. The Bible does not give details, but we do know that we will be glorified and unable to sin. In order to get into that state, we need to have our sins forgiven now and on Judgment Day. (Actually this took place at Calvary.) Mat 12:31-32 is emphasizing that blasphemy against the Spirit is not forgiven now or on Judgment Day. This verse is NOT saying that it will be possible to blaspheme the Holy Spirit in the age to come.
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RE: Souls that are in prison - 6/29/2008 4:15:12 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: loco79
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
1 Pet 3:18-20 in NASB:
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
Those are people NOW in prison that ONCE disobedient in the time of Noah. Through Noah, Christ gave warning of impending doom that they ignored until it was too late. Jesus has NOW made provision for us to escape the wrath to come that many will do just like they did in the days of Noah until it is too late.
I did some research on the verse and have a few questions. Jesus preached to these souls after his death, I always understood that once Jesus died there was only heaven and hell. And the people who died before where in a waiting place but i havent found that it was specifcally called prison. Also I thought that once he died the people in the waiting place automatically went to heaven upon his death. So to me I am confused on why he would need to later an preach to them.
Please feel free to comment, that is why i am asking these questions. To sum up, I believe that there was a waiting place for souls until Jesus' death. Once he died they automatically go to heaven. And if they are in heaven, and the only other place is hell, then were does prison fit into all of this.
This presumes that none was saved before the execution. This is not necessarily the case since Yeshua(Jesus) was slain from the foundation of the world. We did not recognize it until it happened in our timeline, but it was established from the beginning. That is why the faith of the patriarchs was considered as rightiousness, just as ours is. Therefore, Yeshua/Adonai preached, before the flood, to those who lived then as is exemplified in the message to Havah(Eve), Enosh(who walked with Adonai and Adonai took Him) and Noach. Many of them are now in prison waiting the judgement, because they did not live in accord with the promise then.
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