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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/16/2008 9:33:29 PM
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Accreditation-The granting of approved status to an academic institution. My question; who's approval? Governments? The College in question? Who's approval are we looking for? I for one am only looking for the approval of one person and that is God. If, truly, our lives are in His hands, then the lives of our children also rest there. Abraham made a covenant with God and He walked upright before the Lord. And God made his descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky. Why, as Christians are we so afraid to make our covenants with God? Why are we afraid to walk in righteousness with the Lord and trust Him with all we have. If He truly loves us He will lead us and our generations to where we need to be. I am learning that in my own strength I am nothing, but in the Lord I am everything He desires me to be and the same goes for my children.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/16/2008 11:33:33 PM
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I would check Barb Shelton's site...I think it's homeschooloasis.com
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 1:52:34 AM
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But I don't get the fear that if one homeschools independently that one is taking a huge risk that their child won't receive a quality education or be able to go to a good college or have a military career.
It's because so many of us fear man, rather than God.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 1:59:25 AM
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Mary Hood, author of The Relaxed Home Schooler, has an article titled, "The Dangers of Accreditation"
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 9:04:35 AM
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What is frustrating about this topic is that when I ask someone why they think accreditation is important, they don't know- they just feel that their child's education will be better, that they will get into better colleges, that it will grease the skids somehow. Then when I ask them which accrediting agency they think is the best, they look like they swallowed a frog. IOW, they have no idea what accreditation even is.
I know when I started HSing there were tons of things I didn't know, but one thing I did know was not to assume I knew what I was talking about, I knew to ask questions, and then to verify the answers I got from as many sources as I could.
The situation in TN may have made some folks fearful, but what needs to happen is that these officials must be held accountable for breaking the law instead of HSers throwing up a white flag.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 10:00:21 AM
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Wow - I didn't know about the situation in TN - interesting! The Mary Hood article was really good!
My 1st thought was if hs parents think they need the accreditation, let them go for it. But after some thought, it could be a slippery slope & they could end up pulling the rest of us down it with them! Also, I'd hate to think of new hsers being influenced by those who think accreditation is the end all & be all!
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 11:39:33 AM
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Here is a download of a talk done by Andrew Pudewa that is inspiring. It addresses the issue of giving our children the education they need to succeed in life, which is not the same as following the crowd. It's $3 for the download.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 12:08:22 PM
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Here is a scary thought.
If someone wants to apply for a job with the Michigan Civil Service Commission and has a college degree from Pensacola Christian College. the degree will not be accepted! This is only one colege on the 22 pages listed in this pdf file.
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Cynthia, here is another college on the list that isn't accepted.
Western Washington University
It looks as though even the accredited have to be accredited!!!
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 2:59:56 PM
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Wow!! Shocked to see Dartmouth on that list! It's an Ivy league school!!
And then the long list of accreditation bodies who aren't approved by the US Dept of Ed. LOL! Buyer beware if you're looking for an "accredited" program huh?
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/17/2008 10:20:08 PM
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The list says don't confuse it with the Dartmouth in New Hampshire. The one in New Hampshire is the Ivy League school I think. I tried to look it up, but it's rather confusing, lol. I didn't know there were other "Dartmouths." I thought there was just the one.
Yeah - I figured that out about an hour after I posted as I was telling my dh about it!! LOL! It's funny, I guess some schools make their names to sound like other schools, perhaps to fool people. Who knows!
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/18/2008 12:16:21 AM
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The list says don't confuse it with the Dartmouth in New Hampshire. The one in New Hampshire is the Ivy League school I think. I tried to look it up, but it's rather confusing, lol. I didn't know there were other "Dartmouths." I thought there was just the one.
Yeah - I figured that out about an hour after I posted as I was telling my dh about it!! LOL! It's funny, I guess some schools make their names to sound like other schools, perhaps to fool people. Who knows!
Yessssssss... I got accepted to Dartmouth College!
........hey......wait a minute.....this isn't THE Dartmouth College.....
Lol.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/18/2008 12:26:47 AM
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Don't laugh, I went to school with a gal in Toppenish, WA, who thought she was going to be going to college in DC.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/18/2008 12:40:30 AM
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She was from another country. But I still can't imagine...well, anyway, she was a sadly disappointed girl!
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/18/2008 12:50:20 AM
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Wow, Jennifer. You would think that she would have checked an atlas.
Bottom line is that we are to put our faith in Jesus Christ who has given us the Holy Spirit to lead us. The Father owns all things. He is in charge and He knows what He's doing. When we are led by Him, we will be exactly where we ought to be, whether that is an accredited school or not. I am really getting to the place where I am no longer worrying about that stuff, but am going where the Spirit is lead. It seems a little off kilter to what I had thought, but I know it's the right path. I'd much rather know we are where we ought to be than striving to reach a goal that I, rather than the Lord, put there.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/19/2008 1:09:45 PM
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First, let me say that I am not against accreditation.
Now that that's out of the way- what do you tell HSers who are stuck on the idea that in order for their child to have legitimate transcripts and a recognized diploma so they can go to college or into the military, they must use an accredited umbrella school?
If that is what someone wants to do, knowing they don't have to, that's one thing. But I don't get the fear that if one homeschools independently that one is taking a huge risk that their child won't receive a quality education or be able to go to a good college or have a military career. And it doesn't seem to matter that Seth (my firstborn) did just fine getting into the military with his homeschool transcripts and diploma- no GED, no jumping through hoops.
I'm confused. I want to hit something.  Give me words of wisdom. I need websites, book titles... I need Valium!
Haven't read anything else but this yet, so forgive any repetition.
You know that a pardigm shift has to occur before parents can grab hold of the idea that mastery and not a piece of paper is what makes the difference. One thing that might help them is to know of the growing number of very fine schools who love homeschoolers. Over the last several years I have been looking at various colleges and their admissions, and I've even talked to some of them, and I've gotten an increasingly warm reception when I mention homeschooling. Why? Because the track record is so good.
Frankly, in talking to some college counselors, it's become apparent to me that they realize that accrediation AIN'T what it used to be. I had one counselor, who is at a large, respected university, tell me that she was really saddened at the quality of students coming out of traditional schools - even a lot of private schools. She said that although the school doesn't advertise it in print, they are very fond of homeschoolers because they almost always do very well, and she was eager to speak to my daughter about coming to school there.
Granted, it can be hard to make the paradigm shift because we are such products of our upbringing, but if someone will just forget what they've been told and use their" common sense," it's a lot easier. Probably the situation that had the most influence in helping me shift my views was dealing with my son's reading problems. I had no choice but to chuck the idea of grades and embrace mastery of skills. Once I did that, it was only a few steps to chuck the idea that everything hinges on accreditation.
Now having said that, I'm not a fool who believes that accreditation can be dismissed entirely. It is a fact of life that most people in this country embrace, and I think it pays to be smart and realize that sometimes you have to submit to it.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/19/2008 1:54:27 PM
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Wow! I have not been to college and all of you are opening my eyes to a few things that I have not thought about. I have heard about it... but it makes me a little nervouse home schooling through High School.... but I will keep plugging away!!
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/19/2008 2:47:24 PM
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Oh, I can't help it -- gotta brag for a minute, but just a minute. LOL! My oldest just finshed her first year of college, and she made straight A's and one B+, and none of her classes were fluff classes. Before she did this, she was scared to death of going to college because she thought she might not make it with a homeschool education. She's even thought homeschooling was superior but wasn't sure she could make it because she didn't completely trust her dad and me when we said, "the bottom line is: can you do the stuff or not? " Now she knows she can and it's because she had to demonstrate her ability as a homeschooler and not just "pass a grade level" (whatever that really means). BTW, my child is no rocket scientist. She never liked school and only read and studied because we made her. So she is far from one of those walk on water kind of homeschool kids who graduate at 15 or 16 and have read Proust and the original languages of the Bible, yada, yada. I have nothing against a kid doing that, that's just not her. She's been a pretty average teenager in her attention span and her interests. So, yes, those kids who aren't ivory tower types can make it too.
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/19/2008 4:19:24 PM
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Praise God!!
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/20/2008 6:50:05 AM
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Now having said that, I'm not a fool who believes that accreditation can be dismissed entirely. It is a fact of life that most people in this country embrace, and I think it pays to be smart and realize that sometimes you have to submit to it.
I'll grant you that, especially if you want to work a gov't job in TN.  But some folks don't know that you do not have to take a GED to get into the military, or that most colleges will accept a homeschool transcript, especially if it is accompanied by a porfolio.
I would like to see homeschoolers stop making decisions out of fear. There are very few careers that hinge on a degree from a certain college. Any reputable college known to have good courses and teachers in X is plenty for employers today. As a matter of fact, there are some employers around here that don't want to hire anyone under 30- they need employees who will show up on time and sober. Don't need much college for that, and IMO many of these lousy habits were learned in college. 
My advice to folks is that as their kids enter jr. high and start thinking about what they would like to do, go out and talk to businessmen and tradesmen in your area to find out what they are looking for, what course of study they'd recommend etc... Of course, the kid may change his mind, but information is a powerful tool. And I guess that's what I am ranting about- folks who assume that what they've heard from Elsie-down-the-street is accurate without verifying it, and then acting on it out of fear and making decisions based on "What if" questions instead of knowledge and wisdom and experienced counsel.
I was helping out a lady the other day because the local school district 'rejected' her notice of intent- and they cannot legally do that. She is jumping through all these hoops because she didn't know that they don't know how to find their brains with both hands and a search warrant. She made xerox copies of the table of contents and scope & sequence for all her textbooks, and they sent it back and told her she'd have to hand write it. I thought many MANY words not allowed on network television.  But she was stressing out because she didn't know what to do or who to ask, so the desk jockeys are either dumber than dog hair or havin' a bit of fun at her expense.
We HSers have already declared our independence, if you will, but we can't turn around and start depending on school officials and hearsay as a basis for our decisions.
OK- coming down from soapbox now. 
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RE: Stuck on accreditation - 6/20/2008 12:00:33 PM
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Excellent post, and to this:
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I would like to see homeschoolers stop making decisions out of fear.
Amen!
But it takes encouraging people, and this is the purpose this thread can serve and hopefully is serving.
People need to know that using their common sense can pay off. For instance when my son could not do school work at his grade level, I could have wrung my hands, and I did some of that, and then I had to let go of how I was taught school should be done and think about how he could learn. I had to forget all the high fallutin stuff and just get down to basics of how someone thinks, and unless someone is mentally very slow, we can all do this. Once I started thinking about my son learning certain skills (basically the three Rs), I was forced to let go of this idea of "passing a grade," because it would have taken FOREVER for him to "pass the grades" he needed. We just didn't have time to mess with that. A phrase my dad used a lot kept coming back to me, "More than one way to skin a cat" (No offense to cat lovers).
Anyway, letting go of that paradigm of school really freed me up to teach him what he needs to know. Did I have to contemplate and study the skills he might need to know? Yes, but most important was to figure out the goal, figure out where we were going, and then it made it easier to figure out how to get there (the legs of the trip if you will). What I discovered very quickly is that it may not be like everyone else is doing it. Hang what eveyone else is doing if it doesn't fit my kid. I say that with zeal because I've seen the result of getting out of the box, and I've also seen too many parents compare themselves to others and their kids to others, and just generally be in bondage to that, and it doesn't have to be that way. They do it mainly because of fear. Anyway, talk like this usually scares people, but that's because they are so conditioned not to think about these th | | | |
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