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To tell you the truth... - 5/17/2008 10:56:55 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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I watch Judge Judy on occasion, and among many of her favorite things to say, she says, quote:
If you tell the truth, you don't have to think about it. Her idea is that if you are telling the truth, it will all just spill out, in proper sequence, with every important detail, without hesitation.
Do you find this is so for yourself and for others?
If I were on Judge Judy, I would be in big trouble, because that is just not how it works for me.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/17/2008 11:08:13 PM
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Thank you, PS103. I agree with you. In fact, when i try to quote anyone, I have listened to myself, and as time goes on, I do remember quotations differently, or I loose the original words and just retain the general idea. Also for myself, I have noted that long periods of time, especially can seem a particular length, so I will tell it like that, then later, I will realize that the time period was different from what I had thought.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/17/2008 11:36:13 PM
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That's why eye witness evidence really isn't that great in court. Time changes how people remember things. They aren't lying, they just remember differently.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/17/2008 11:54:22 PM
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When I had to speak about the two rear-ender accidents that occurred in (what?) 2002 (? See -- I am not suse about that anymore either!), I was glad I had written everything down, beginning with the first person who hit me. I was glad that they let me refer to those notes.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/18/2008 12:08:05 AM
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Ps103
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That was a good idea!
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/18/2008 4:08:58 PM
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The problem with Truth is that it is not always truthful.
It depends so much on who you are, your state of mind, age, experience, and where you were standing when you last saw it ....
Look at the different versions from "eye-witnesses" who have seen an accident or incident. Sometimes the variations are such that you wonder whether people saw the same incident.
Some people I know need a satelite navigation system to even find the Truth - never mind recognize it !!!
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/18/2008 7:56:47 PM
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Two witnesses who tell the same story are lying.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/18/2008 11:14:35 PM
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Two witnesses who tell the same story are lying.
Not necessarily.
Two witnesses can observe and accident from different points and tell essentially the same story if they were both looking at the same moment.
If Red Pick-up runs stop light and hits Blue Pick-up there is not a whole lot to embellish.
Now, describing a person, giving guesses as to motivation, speed and the like, or remembering conversations--that is where you would get differences. And the people are not necessarily lying, either--whether their stories are the same or different.
Now, Jack and Harry both get arrested for stealing copper wire and both deny it, and both have a complicated story about how they were somewhere else with several witnesses and everyone involved has an identical story to tell the police--yeah, I would say they had rehearsed their story among themselves and it is a lie.
But just because two people tell the same story is does not mean they are lying.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 11:13:41 AM
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quote:
Covaan_Meshuga
I watch Judge Judy on occasion, and among many of her favorite things to say, she says, quote:
If you tell the truth, you don't have to think about it.Her idea is that if you are telling the truth, it will all just spill out, in proper sequence, with every important detail, without hesitation.
Do you find this is so for yourself and for others?
If I were on Judge Judy, I would be in big trouble, because that is just not how it works for me.
I think, what Judge Judy is getting at, can also be found in the Bible. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. After working with criminals for many years, I've found that yes and no questions answered with explanations are all too often lies; attempts to cover one's tracks or paint oneself in a better light. The eyes often give it away too. One side of the brain stores recall memory, the other side is the creative side. A right handed person will tend to look up to the left to recall and up to the right when making something up.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 12:43:40 PM
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Okay. Bluntly, the person who most impacted my life as I developed did not know truth, and she taught me to lie with threats. I learned my lessons well. But when I became a believer, that boat didn't float so well.
I prayed about it, and one thing that has happened is that I am so adamant about truth that for years, I would just BLURT out everything! It wasn't good! I have had to learn to temper that. So now, when I tell something, I have to think about it. I have to be very careful about my words, making sure that they are factual but not biting, honest but not belligerent, truthful but not hurtful.
I would be in trouble with Judge Judy and with others who watch for such elements. Sometimes, I feel like writing to her (since I really like her -- most of the time!  ), cautioning her about making this assumption.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 2:21:07 PM
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quote:
I would be in trouble with Judge Judy and with others who watch for such elements. Sometimes, I feel like writing to her (since I really like her -- most of the time! ), cautioning her about making this assumption.
Covaan,
I don't watch Judge Judy, but have seen it a few times. I have spent a lot of time in court on criminal matters. Most of the time the court is trying to determine facts. Who is responsible for an action. For the most part, recall keeps a person from having to make things up. if a yes or no question is answered with an explanation, it makes it appear deception is at play.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 2:40:24 PM
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I like her enough that I try to get home before she comes on sometimes, but I rarely get there in time. She's funny, witty, gorgeous (even if she says she's not), and she has improved on males over the years.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 7:14:33 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga,
In the context of a legal proceeding (or in her case, semi-legal proceeding), it seems to me to make sense to present all of the details. It would make her job on court TV much easier.
I do know that complete honesty is not always the wisest policy and I don't think that God expects us to present all of the facts, all of the time. It is only that what facts we present should honestly the truth. Even when we do that, some people are liable to suspect deception on our parts.
It's important that whenever we tell someone something that seems unlikely, they accept our word as gospel because they know our reputation.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 8:25:44 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
I watch Judge Judy on occasion, and among many of her favorite things to say, she says, quote:
If you tell the truth, you don't have to think about it. Her idea is that if you are telling the truth, it will all just spill out, in proper sequence, with every important detail, without hesitation.
Do you find this is so for yourself and for others?
If I were on Judge Judy, I would be in big trouble, because that is just not how it works for me.
I sometimes have to pause for a second or two to understand what the question is before I can answer it. I guess that'd make me a liar in Judge Judys book.
I wouldn't get too worked up about it. TV judges, psychologists, talk show hosts & the other assorted on screen buffoons are mostly just morons. They act like arrogant jerks cause it gets more viewers for their show.
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RE: To tell you the truth... - 5/19/2008 9:43:04 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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I think so, too. he's just not like that.
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