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Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 12:00:36 AM
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Bettawrekonize
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The National Children's Bureau, which receives £12 million a year, mainly from Government funded organisations, has issued guidance to play leaders and nursery teachers advising them to be alert for racist incidents among youngsters in their care.
This could include a child of as young as three who says "yuk" in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food.
Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist'
This is just silly. Just because I may not like some food does not mean I am raciest. This is especially true for a three year old. Like the thoughts of a three year old are sophisticated enough to dislike a particular food based on what country it came from.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 12:17:04 AM
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There is no end to the stupidity.... 
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 12:22:08 AM
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This has got to be a joke.
If it isn't this could set up quite a dilemma for those far lefties*. The article says that children who display these "racist" attitudes based on how they react to food should be disciplined. But these radicals also tell us not to discipline our children much. So which one takes priority, seeing racism every minute of every day and trying to correct it or preserving the precious self esteem of a child that will be destroyed if they are corrected.
* "Far lefties" as I use the term (I wish I had something less prevocative that conveyed the same meaning but I don't) are only a small portion of liberals who have sacrificed their common sense at the altar of political correctness. The majority of liberals, though I may disagree with them about many issues (but I disagree with conservatives plenty as well), are clear minded people who favor a certain approach to correcting society's ills.
BTW: if a child displays some actual racism (for example: referring to a black person in an insulting way) they should absolutely be corrected. And then the adult in their lives who taught that to him or her should be corrected even more. But the "racist actions" described in this article are mostly absurd. Certainly the focus on food is.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 8:27:31 AM
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This has got to be a joke.
If it isn't this could set up quite a dilemma for those far lefties*. The article says that children who display these "racist" attitudes based on how they react to food should be disciplined. But these radicals also tell us not to discipline our children much. So which one takes priority, seeing racism every minute of every day and trying to correct it or preserving the precious self esteem of a child that will be destroyed if they are corrected.
* "Far lefties" as I use the term (I wish I had something less prevocative that conveyed the same meaning but I don't) are only a small portion of liberals who have sacrificed their common sense at the altar of political correctness. The majority of liberals, though I may disagree with them about many issues (but I disagree with conservatives plenty as well), are clear minded people who favor a certain approach to correcting society's ills.
BTW: if a child displays some actual racism (for example: referring to a black person in an insulting way) they should absolutely be corrected. And then the adult in their lives who taught that to him or her should be corrected even more. But the "racist actions" described in this article are mostly absurd. Certainly the focus on food is.
I agree rufus2000 saying yuk to foods isn't racist but other comments can be.
One time my wife had the embrrassment of having my son proclaim he didn't want to be served by a black gentlemen at McDonalds "because he was black". We found out that he learned this language from another child in his pre-school - a Christian pre-school. Once we pointed out that his uncle and cousin are also black and that God created us in an array of colors to make this world diverse and beautiful, we never heard such silliness again. So sometimes it's not just what they hear in the home that they will mimic.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 9:42:58 AM
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I must have been racist against my own ancestors (cajun)
I'm not Italian, my family is of German and English decent... but when I was a kid, I mean about 6-10 years old, I hated spaghetti, hated it...
I have no dislike of any person from Italy for the record. In fact, I rather enjoy a good bit of Fetuccini and Alfredo Sauce now and again.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 10:21:46 AM
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It's just utter stupidity and a lack of understanding in child development to claim that a preschooler is racist because they don't like various ethnic foods. Getting some kids to eat anything is a monumental task. My niece is almost 11 and she still hasn't eaten a hamburger. She is the pickiest eater. She's polite when she refuses but if she doesn't want to eat it she won't eat it at all. Believe me we've tried everything to entice her to venture out of her very limited choices.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 11:16:36 AM
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Oh good grief.
My youngest ds hates I mean HATES baked beans of any sort including chili beans - who is he racist against?
My eldest dd absolutely abhors egg noodles - who does she hate? She also doesn't like eggs. Is she prejudice against chickens?
This is just plain silly.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 11:38:28 AM
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One time my wife had the embrrassment of having my son proclaim he didn't want to be served by a black gentlemen at McDonalds "because he was black". We found out that he learned this language from another child in his pre-school - a Christian pre-school. Once we pointed out that his uncle and cousin are also black and that God created us in an array of colors to make this world diverse and beautiful, we never heard such silliness again. So sometimes it's not just what they hear in the home that they will mimic.
Great point. To clarify: I said an adult, not necessarily an adult in the home. And I'd be willing to bet the other child's parents mishandled the situation or actually created it. I could be wrong but small children usually blurt out whatever they are thinking (like your child did), IOW: they don't know enough instinctively to hide it (although they may learn they aren't supposed to do it and hide it from then on). Where were this other child's parents when they heard a racist remark. Or was it their example? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that child picked it up from a third child. But I guarentee, look far enough back and you will find a parent being a bad example to their kids. I firmly believe kids are not born as racists. Racists are created by other racists, not born.
Also, I think your wife and yourself handled the situation wonderfully. You definitely did your part in stopping the flow of racism in society. At some point it all starts in the home.
The reason these stories (the study we are discussing) make me angry is that racism is still a problem. But this manner of foolishness trivializes it and creates a "crying wolf" situation which detracts from the very real problem that exists.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 12:55:45 PM
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We had some friends from Nigeria when my husband was in school, and their daughter didn't like hot dogs the first time she tried them. She thought they were really weird. I guess she must have been racist. 
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 3:05:49 PM
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Seems to me it isn't really what was said... this was an article twisting things and quoting them out of context to get a reaction.
Here is the author's response to allegations.
They are saying that when kids make comments about ethnic foods, the comments should be addressed--not that the kids are racist or that they should be punished.
Think of a kid who has rice and beans often at home. It is served one day in school and kids make innocent, but degrading comments about it. That kid who eats it every day could potentially be hurt by that. Will it ruin his life? No. But an astute teacher would address such a comment in a positive way so that both the kid who does eat those foods regularly and the kid who has not been exposed to those foods will not carry away negative thoughts...
It isn't about liking or not liking the food, but recognizing that different people like different things and that is okay.
It is no difference than being careful about how we talk about a million things in preschool classrooms... I remember one clearly from my early childhood ed days... Brown is an unpopular color and people often don't use the brown crayons or will even toss them aside and say, "I don't like that color." No racist intent by them... but there is an unspoken message that can be picked up on by children that brown is not a beautiful color (and it is!).
Kids really internalize things like this without adults realizing it and therefore, it is very common for such things to be discussed amongst preschool teachers.
Though... OTOH... I have heard people make blatantly racist comments about foods which I will not repeat here.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 5:26:13 PM
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We had some friends from Nigeria when my husband was in school, and their daughter didn't like hot dogs the first time she tried them. She thought they were really weird. I guess she must have been racist.
I don't like hot dogs because I know what's in them, same with bologna. So since I don't want to eat something made from parts of the animal that most of us wouldn't touch let alone eat, does that mean I'm racist or just careful about what I eat?
Personally I don't know of a single small child who hasn't said "yuk" about some food they've been served, even stuff they've eaten before. With some kids it's a control issue, with others it's because a peer has said it, and with others it's because they don't like the taste of the food. Big deal! My rule has always been take two bites and see if you like it. If yes, you get some more. If no, then you get something else.
All food is ethnic food of some kind. Whoever came up with this policy is ignorant of food history.
A lot of Native American foods are spicy, but my oldest child does not like spicy food and neither does my husband- and both are Native. I have a friend who is of German descent and hates saurkraut, cabbage, and beets. I hate saurkraut because I think it tastes awful. I'm not a big fan of spaghetti either. My dad's people are Scottish and I can't stand haggis, and I find most Scottish, English, and Irish traditional dishes to be bland... which is why I always carry a bottle of hot sauce when I go to a Robert Burns or St Patrick's Day dinner. I would dare some idiot to call me racist for doing that.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 10:41:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000
I firmly believe kids are not born as racists. Racists are created by other racists, not born.
The reason these stories (the study we are discussing) make me angry is that racism is still a problem. But this manner of foolishness trivializes it and creates a "crying wolf" situation which detracts from the very real problem that exists.
I totally agree with this. Kids left to themselves, usually play with each other in colorblind fashion. We adults teach them to "depreciate" the differences.
Racism still is a very serious problem in this country although its gone underground with people using euphemisms to hide their latent racist tendencies. One thing life has taught me is that racists come in many colors and sometimes if we don't use race we use a person's class (rich/poor) as an alternative or even an enhancement to it.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/8/2008 10:52:59 PM
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Seems to me it isn't really what was said... this was an article twisting things and quoting them out of context to get a reaction.
Here is the author's response to allegations.
They are saying that when kids make comments about ethnic foods, the comments should be addressed--not that the kids are racist or that they should be punished.
Think of a kid who has rice and beans often at home. It is served one day in school and kids make innocent, but degrading comments about it. That kid who eats it every day could potentially be hurt by that. Will it ruin his life? No. But an astute teacher would address such a comment in a positive way so that both the kid who does eat those foods regularly and the kid who has not been exposed to those foods will not carry away negative thoughts...
It isn't about liking or not liking the food, but recognizing that different people like different things and that is okay.
It is no difference than being careful about how we talk about a million things in preschool classrooms... I remember one clearly from my early childhood ed days... Brown is an unpopular color and people often don't use the brown crayons or will even toss them aside and say, "I don't like that color." No racist intent by them... but there is an unspoken message that can be picked up on by children that brown is not a beautiful color (and it is!).
Kids really internalize things like this without adults realizing it and therefore, it is very common for such things to be discussed amongst preschool teachers.
Though... OTOH... I have heard people make blatantly racist comments about foods which I will not repeat here.
Tara P
I really have to disagree with much of what you said. Unfortunately, not every one or every child is going to like the same foods or colors, it means nothing other than that is each one's personal preference. And there is nothing wrong with saying you do not like a certain food or color either.
I don't understand how a child could have his or her feelings hurt if another child dislikes a food that they like. To worry about such a thing seems silly.
And as far as not liking the color brown and subconsciously carrying that on to skin color? That is a bit of a stretch. Most of the time kids are coloring flowers and rainbows and such things that they want to give vibrant color to. Most of the time I don't see them fighting for use of the white or peach colored crayons for such activities either, so what does it mean?
My son colors everthing in bright colors. He's five. He wants to make it look like it does in the cartoon world most likely and it is very colorful. However he does use brown on things like trees and dirt and houses and such, things that are naturally brown. It is not a common color for him to choose either but he does use it where he sees it fits, like all other colors. The grass is green, the sun yellow, the sky blue, etc.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/9/2008 9:36:52 AM
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Personally I don't know of a single small child who hasn't said "yuk" about some food they've been served, even stuff they've eaten before.
Yeah, me either. My kids still say "yuk" about half the stuff I feed them, at least the younger ones do. The older ones have learned that I don't appreciate it and they just need to eat their food and be polite about it. My littlest one is funny, though--he does the opposite. No matter what we're having, he says, in an excited voice, "Yum! I LOVE bwoccli chowder!" (or whatever it might be) even if he's never had it before. Once he tries it he might change his mind, but at least he has a very positive attitude. 
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And as far as not liking the color brown and subconsciously carrying that on to skin color? That is a bit of a stretch. Most of the time kids are coloring flowers and rainbows and such things that they want to give vibrant color to. Most of the time I don't see them fighting for use of the white or peach colored crayons for such activities either, so what does it mean?
Yeah, I agree with you there.
At church a couple of weeks ago, I had passed out some older coloring books to the kids I'd found buried in a supply cabinet, and one of the kids (a Hispanic girl with lovely brown skin) was doing a page with a color-by-number. She was coloring in a picture of a person, and the directions said to color in the face and hands "flesh" color. She was looking all through the crayons trying to find the right color and couldn't find one, and finally asked me, "Teacher, what's flesh?" It occured to me that even if there happened to be a crayon called "flesh" in the box, it would have looked very different from her skin color. I told her I didn't think they made "flesh" colored crayons anymore and she'd have to pick a different color for the skin.
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RE: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' - 7/9/2008 5:20:55 PM
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