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Numbers 15:22
"'Now if you unintentionally fail to keep any of these commands the Lord gave Moses--
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any of the Lord's commands to you through him, from the day the Lord gave them and continuing through the generations to come--
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and if this is done unintentionally without the community being aware of it, then the whole community is to offer a young bull for a burnt offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, along with its prescribed grain offering and drink offering, and a male goat for a sin offering.
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The priest is to make atonement for the whole Israelite community, and they will be forgiven, for it was not intentional and they have brought to the Lord for their wrong an offering made by fire and a sin offering.
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The whole Israelite community and the aliens living among them will be forgiven, because all the people were involved in the unintentional wrong.
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"'But if just one person sins unintentionally, he must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering.
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The priest is to make atonement before the Lord for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven.
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One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite or an alien.

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Hebrews 9:6
When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry.
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But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
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The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
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This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.
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They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
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When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
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He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
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The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
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How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
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For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

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All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.

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DrMark, I thought you didn't believe in unintentional sin. I thought your definition of sin required that all sin be knowingly and willfully done.

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ORIGINAL: LCannon

It's not at what point one's responsible; it's when you become responsible for a personal wrong the appropriate apology is warranted. All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.

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This, I believe, is how we are to deal with unknown and/or unintentional sin.

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ORIGINAL: drmark

Looks like you thought wrong, figPez! How will this sin of ignorance of yours be reconciled?

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I didn't know it was a sin simply to be ignorant of the thoughts of another human being?

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This, I believe, is how we are to deal with unknown and/or unintentional sin.Do you have any NT passage to support your "belief"? Indeed Bluethread, in the following chapter, Hebrews 10:14 states that Jesus has made perfect forever those who are being made holy by His once and for all Sacrifice. Why should any Christian continue to sacrifice burnt offerings for sins of any kind?

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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I didn't know it was a sin simply to be ignorant of the thoughts of another human being?

So, your comment was made in perfect love, without any malice toward me or desire to show off to others posting here? Don't answer that, figPez! Instead, please answer my original questions if you wish to continue the appropriate discussion. And perhaps you would share your definition of "sins of ignorance".

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I honestly thought that your definition of Christian perfection depended on it being impossible to sin without intent.

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A sin of ignorance is any wrong action that is made when someone is unaware that their action was sin.

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Sins made in ignorance are forgiven the same way as any other sin. By grace through faith.

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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I honestly thought that your definition of Christian perfection depended on it being impossible to sin without intent.

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A sin of ignorance is any wrong action that is made when someone is unaware that their action was sin.

Okay, thanks, fig, I'm really trying to understand your position here. I have never stated on any thread anywhere that it is impossible for a sanctified Believer living in Christian perfection to never sin. Thus, your thought was a "wrong action", however you contest it's qualification as sin. So, what makes an action sin or why is an action sinful?

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Sins made in ignorance are forgiven the same way as any other sin. By grace through faith.

But that's not what Numbers 22 says about how to be forgiven of unintentional sins. When did the mechanism for forgiveness change? Bluethread says he should follow Job's regular custom. Is he wrong? Is that a sin of ignorance if he is wrong?

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ORIGINAL: drmark
So, my opening questions for consideration are the following: How do we acknowledge, confess, and repent of sins we do not even realize we've committed? Is there a different application or mechanism of grace for forgiveness of sins done in ignorance between the OT Levitical system and the NT Atonement?

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So I guess I'm a little confused as to how someone can have imperfect knowledge and yet still act perfectly without sin 100% of the time. That, however, would seem to be off-topic at this point,

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we're not talking about the avoidance of unintentional sin, but what is done about those sins.

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I'm not sure how I can phrase a definition of sin to avoid all misunderstanding.

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I did not knowingly prejudice myself against you, or otherwise intentionally fail to love you, as God would have me do, because of my failure to understand your doctrinal stance.

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The sacrifices of the OT were about faith and obedience.

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Hebrews 13 does talk about acceptable sacrifices "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." (Heb 13:16)

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So, we continually acknowledge and confess the sins we are aware of, and, at the same time, God cleanses us of the sins we are unaware of.

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ORIGINAL: LCannon

It's not at what point one's responsible; it's when you become responsible for a personal wrong the appropriate apology is warranted. All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Are unintentional sins and sins of ignorance the same thing? I ask because of this verse:
Hsa 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

The Israelites perished because of a lack of knowledge. It wasn't that the knowledge wasn't given to them, it was because they choose to ignore the knowledge that was.

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figmentPez:

Bluethread, who denies the triune God, has more serious doctrinal issues than what he believes about Job's sacrifices. However, it is likely his rejection of the revealed nature of the true God has led him to false belief in many other areas. It would be clearcut to call Bluethread's proposal sin if he were claiming that another sacrifice besides Christ were necessary to forgive sin, but that doesn't seem to be the case. However, he still could be wrong that God would desire animal sacrifice any longer, and if he taught contrary to what God would command, then that is sin. Hebrews 13 does talk about acceptable sacrifices "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." (Heb 13:16)

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I have made it clear in other threads that we can not sacrifice burnt offerings because there is no Temple. Also,if there was one, those sacrifices would not be for forgiveness of sin, but would be acts of obedience for a reminder.

Let's try to stay on topic. My point is that we should not wait for specific faults to come to our attention. Whatever one may do to acknowledge their sins before Adonai, I believe, those things should be done on a routine basis as an act of worship.

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Ahh, but several NT passages specifically state that OT persons had their faith/obedience credited to them as righteousness. Thus, wouldn't sacrificing in faith and obedience lead to salvation?

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Are unintentional sins and sins of ignorance the same thing?

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It wasn't that the knowledge wasn't given to them, it was because they choose to ignore the knowledge that was.

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Jesus never sinned, intentionally or unintentionally, so when the believer is judged, there is NO sin, , intentional or unintentional, to be found, only the perfect obedience of Christ.

In other words, to be justified does not only mean that it is "just as if I'd never sinned" (that is only forgiveness), but it is also "just as if I'd always lived in prefect obedience to the Law".

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Unintentional sin is a manmade term.

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A sensitive heart knows when it sins

We sin...confess it !!!

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

In other words, to be justified does not only mean that it is "just as if I'd never sinned" (that is only forgiveness), but it is also "just as if I'd always lived in prefect obedience to the Law".