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Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/17/2008 6:25:34 PM
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SpencerHayes
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Everyone Knows the Story of Peter Pan, it goes something like this. Peter Pan is a kid, Peter Pan has an imagination, He Wonders if he could fly, he flies. Peter pan grows up, and forgets what happened when he was younger, he never flew again. Jesus pushed away all the religeous folk, and said "wheres the kids? He said I want you to have faith like children, ask things children would ask believe things children would believe, He said God will do much more than we could hope or even think of. So have imaginations, Wonder what can God do? We are constantely trying to live up to our parents, teachers, coaches, etc. standards, and doing what they think is going to be best for us. They do want what they think is best for us, but God is the author of our destiny. I dont want to see anyone "grow up". I dont want to see anyone get "old", Thats freaking lame, God wants us to dream, he wants us to imagine, he wants us to wonder what he can do? God doesnt want us to pray small prayers, God doesnt want us to limit him in our minds by what the "older folk" tell us can happen. He wants us to dream big. he wants us to believe impossible is nothing. I wrote that because God wants the young people in this generation to start the Revival we've all been diligintely waiting for. God uses the young people to do crazy things for him, Like Kill giants, like lead countries, and be the ones leading the church. God has already started a movement, and we need to be on his tail, chasing for him, ready to see him mess us up. Heres my Wonder. God can you save The Quad Cities? Can you Save all the Schools in the Quad Cities? Can you break the chains in EVERY YOUNG PERSON in the Quad Cities? Can you do something so big no man can take credit for it? Can you turn our ENTIRE NATION BACK TO YOU? Can you use the Young people to ignite it? This is my WONDERWALL what is yours? BIG PRAYERS ONLY.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/17/2008 9:45:26 PM
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RJR_fan
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Peter Pan is a kid, Peter Pan has an imagination, He Wonders if he could fly, he flies. Peter pan grows up, and forgets what happened when he was younger, he never flew again. Actually, Peter Pan stays perpetually infantile in a world outside of time. You would do well to read the book. He was modeled on five neighborhood boys David Barrie knew. One of whom committed suicide around 1998, after a lifetime of living with "the boy who never grew up" label. Revivals rarely last more than a year or two, leave no enduring impact on the surrounding culture, and often open the doors to satanic movements. Reformations, OTOH, impact life for centuries, and catalyze whole new understandings of God's greatness and expectations. A new reformation is underway, BTW. As one who experienced revival, my prayer echoes that of a leader in our denomination, "O Lord, do it again, and this time we'll know what to do." Yes, you can be in on what God is up to. But you may need to think in terms of generations, plural, and centuries, plural, since God does. Come on in, the water's fine! Reformation is underway -- but it has nothing to do with the public school system.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/17/2008 11:10:50 PM
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Amen to the WONDERWALL! Amen and amen!
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/18/2008 8:57:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: RJR_fan A new reformation is underway, BTW. Could you please explain this statement further? Thanks.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/18/2008 2:22:54 PM
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RJR_fan
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Could you please explain this statement further? Thanks. Well, the Protestant Reformation that Martin Luther catalyzed reclaimed Biblical Christianity from "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers." The faith had been severely diluted by infiltration. Plato and Aristotle infiltrated the intellectual elite, and pre-existing pagan deities infiltrated the common folks. A skeptical rationalism clashed with the credulous cults of the saints and the mother goddess. Today's evangelicalism has been nearly fatally undermined by the willingness of otherwise Biblical Christians to embrace unitarian socialism in one area of life. People who would scream bloody murder if the government forced them to spend one hour a week listening to government-approved sermons think nothing of sending their children off for 30+ hours a week to soak up government-approved perspectives on "life, law, the universe, and everything." For a bit over a century, however, clear-thinking and articulate Christians have pointed out how every form of education is religious education, that communicates specific dogmas about the God of the Bible. Most (90% or so of us) were raised in the dogma that the Person, Son, Word, and Work of God were irrelevant, dispensible, unnecessary. We were taught that the sure path to true knowledge was to first of all set aside God and His Word. We were taught that the ultimate power was some form of human government, the bigger the better. In 1928, J. Gresham Machen said in several important venues, "If we give to the bureaucrats our children, we may as well give them everything else." His testimony before the US congress delayed the federal department of education for nearly have a century. Today, though, there are millions of families who understand that it is a sin to render unto Caesar that which belongs to God. A quiet, under-the-radar reformation is raising up a minority, but a powerful one, of children who are trained to think Biblically -- who at least know that the Bible is true, and that it should direct their thinking. God is at work. We don't need to waste our lives on fool's errands, like trying to impose generic prayers to imaginary generic deities inside the temples of socialist humanism. We are not called to function as Sampson in reverse, pouring our energies into artificially propping up systems that have rejected God, and are under His judgment. "Let the dead bury the dead. The living have work to do!"
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/18/2008 2:47:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: RJR_fan quote:
Could you please explain this statement further? Thanks. Well, the Protestant Reformation that Martin Luther catalyzed reclaimed Biblical Christianity from "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers." The faith had been severely diluted by infiltration. Plato and Aristotle infiltrated the intellectual elite, and pre-existing pagan deities infiltrated the common folks. A skeptical rationalism clashed with the credulous cults of the saints and the mother goddess. Today's evangelicalism has been nearly fatally undermined by the willingness of otherwise Biblical Christians to embrace unitarian socialism in one area of life. People who would scream bloody murder if the government forced them to spend one hour a week listening to government-approved sermons think nothing of sending their children off for 30+ hours a week to soak up government-approved perspectives on "life, law, the universe, and everything." For a bit over a century, however, clear-thinking and articulate Christians have pointed out how every form of education is religious education, that communicates specific dogmas about the God of the Bible. Most (90% or so of us) were raised in the dogma that the Person, Son, Word, and Work of God were irrelevant, dispensible, unnecessary. We were taught that the sure path to true knowledge was to first of all set aside God and His Word. We were taught that the ultimate power was some form of human government, the bigger the better. In 1928, J. Gresham Machen said in several important venues, "If we give to the bureaucrats our children, we may as well give them everything else." His testimony before the US congress delayed the federal department of education for nearly have a century. Today, though, there are millions of families who understand that it is a sin to render unto Caesar that which belongs to God. A quiet, under-the-radar reformation is raising up a minority, but a powerful one, of children who are trained to think Biblically -- who at least know that the Bible is true, and that it should direct their thinking. God is at work. We don't need to waste our lives on fool's errands, like trying to impose generic prayers to imaginary generic deities inside the temples of socialist humanism. We are not called to function as Sampson in reverse, pouring our energies into artificially propping up systems that have rejected God, and are under His judgment. "Let the dead bury the dead. The living have work to do!" Okay, thanks.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/20/2008 4:23:02 PM
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SpencerHayes
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Alright, God bring reformation to my city, and You bring it, dont let any man take credit for it.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/20/2008 6:40:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: SpencerHayes Everyone Knows the Story of Peter Pan, it goes something like this. Peter Pan is a kid, Peter Pan has an imagination, He Wonders if he could fly, he flies. Peter pan grows up, and forgets what happened when he was younger, he never flew again. Jesus pushed away all the religeous folk, and said "wheres the kids? He said I want you to have faith like children, ask things children would ask believe things children would believe, He said God will do much more than we could hope or even think of. So have imaginations, Wonder what can God do? We are constantely trying to live up to our parents, teachers, coaches, etc. standards, and doing what they think is going to be best for us. They do want what they think is best for us, but God is the author of our destiny. I dont want to see anyone "grow up". I dont want to see anyone get "old", Thats freaking lame, God wants us to dream, he wants us to imagine, he wants us to wonder what he can do? God doesnt want us to pray small prayers, God doesnt want us to limit him in our minds by what the "older folk" tell us can happen. He wants us to dream big. he wants us to believe impossible is nothing. I wrote that because God wants the young people in this generation to start the Revival we've all been diligintely waiting for. God uses the young people to do crazy things for him, Like Kill giants, like lead countries, and be the ones leading the church. God has already started a movement, and we need to be on his tail, chasing for him, ready to see him mess us up. Heres my Wonder. God can you save The Quad Cities? Can you Save all the Schools in the Quad Cities? Can you break the chains in EVERY YOUNG PERSON in the Quad Cities? Can you do something so big no man can take credit for it? Can you turn our ENTIRE NATION BACK TO YOU? Can you use the Young people to ignite it? This is my WONDERWALL what is yours? BIG PRAYERS ONLY. Well as one poster said you're a little off on the story of Peter Pan but I enjoyed your version (from the sequel story in movie with Robin Williams in it, I believe) and I still got the gist of what you were saying and that is a BIG prayer! I Pray that Holy Spirit pours out His spirit on His Children to pray BIG prayers. I want to see the Saints move mountains....BIG MOUNTAINS! I want to see BIG Prayers Answered so the skeptical will drop their mouths in amazement for the Lord we serve! Amen and Amen.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/20/2008 6:50:25 PM
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Quad Cities!? As in Davenport, Bettendorf, Rock Island and Moline?
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/20/2008 9:15:34 PM
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I lead bible studies in two of the larger prisons in the State of NC. Central Prison is the oldest prison for men and Womens Prison is the largest prison for women. The charter for Central Prison is "to transform offenders into the image of Jesus Christ." I am always on those who come to my studies to dream big. To dream that everyone who came into the prison would be radically transformed and they are responsible to take the good news to those who will not come to bible study. I challenge them this transformation will change the prison itself and the families and communities to which they go upon release. This is the charge I give them: Jer 29:7 (ESV) 7But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare. But in reality it should be the charge of every Christian.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/22/2008 3:26:33 PM
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SpencerHayes
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Yup the QC Baby! I live in Rock Island. quote:
ORIGINAL: Jhud Quad Cities!? As in Davenport, Bettendorf, Rock Island and Moline?
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/22/2008 3:32:16 PM
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SpencerHayes
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Im just saying when we were kids, we believed we could do anything, it didnt matter how big it was, but when we got older everyone told us to be "realistic" we lost our faith. Jesus said if any of you want to come to me we must become like children. And we are told to have child like faith. I want to get back to that point, and really believe the words of Jesus, that we will accomplish greater things than he did. I want God to do abundantely more then we can ask, or even hope for. I know Jesus didnt die on the cross to give me a boring life, he didnt endure everything he did so i could live up to my parents expectations, he died to give me life and life more abundantely.
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RE: Wonder, Imagination, Faith. - 5/26/2008 8:28:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: SpencerHayes Im just saying when we were kids, we believed we could do anything, it didnt matter how big it was, but when we got older everyone told us to be "realistic" we lost our faith. Jesus said if any of you want to come to me we must become like children. And we are told to have child like faith. I want to get back to that point, and really believe the words of Jesus, that we will accomplish greater things than he did. I want God to do abundantely more then we can ask, or even hope for. I know Jesus didnt die on the cross to give me a boring life, he didnt endure everything he did so i could live up to my parents expectations, he died to give me life and life more abundantely. I have to say, I agree whole-heartedly with you. One of my favorite movies is the low-budget mixed-genre badly-reviewed superhero musical, The Return of Captain Invincible. Can a middle-aged embittered loser recapture the zest and purpose of his youth? The founding pastor of our last church commiserated once with my dad about how the younger generation was too full of "young fogies," crippled by caution, afraid to take risks, afraid to aspire, to exert themselves for their dreams. My dream now? Imagine a world wherein Islam has suddenly been discredited. Imagine a world where a billion of our fellow creatures turn to Christians and ask, "What do we do NOW?" Folks, learning Turkish, or Arabic, or Farsi, is a long-range project. But wouldn't it be wonderful to be ready when the opportunity arose?
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