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aliens and ufo's - 8/4/2009 6:47:41 AM
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keithyhuntington
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does anyone know why the government has to cover this up, if this stuff DOES exist. if it doesnt exist, then whatever...
but say aliens and stuff DO exist... why would the government care to cover it up? whats teh harm in letting us know "yeah... aliens come here all the time... theres one at the san diego zoo. go there and check it out."
what gives?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/4/2009 11:24:06 PM
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Maybe they don't want us to panic? Would you really want to know if there were real live aliens out there?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/5/2009 2:04:49 AM
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Maybe they don't want us to panic? Would you really want to know if there were real live aliens out there?
i don't see any need to panic. we could learn some things from them. and maybe they from us. i'd be down with it. i don't panic when a guy from canada comes to town... so why if a guy from jupiter??? but the thing is, i don't see aliens like the guys on Alien or Independence Day... i se aliens as lanky skinny grey guy with a fanny pack, hawaiin shirt, and straw hat... who is confused at our lack of technological know-how. or like marvin the martian.
furthermore, if we can't even get a stupid rocket with dudes in it to mars.... makes me wonder.... where would the aliens come from? mars looks pretty barren... any further than that... i'd bow out gracefully upon their visit. they certainly would have us trumped. :P
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/5/2009 5:24:33 PM
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A guy from canada wouldn't be quite the same. Who's to say how those aliens would dress, if they even know our language. If they can come from who knows where because they are so advanced, why would they want to visit us backward humans?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/6/2009 6:19:53 AM
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The real question is whether or not Christianity can coincide with the existence of aliens. I mean that honestly!
If tomorrow you found out that aliens existed, how would that effect your religious beliefs?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/6/2009 9:47:31 AM
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Aliens will not be showing up tommorrow because aliens do not exist. Therefore, my religious beliefs will not be affected.
I know this is going to sound crazy and frankly, you all can laugh, roll your eyes and scoff if you so choose. This is just a theory after all and I will not be offended. I heard somewhere that maybe hell is somewhere in outer space and 'aliens' are really demons in disguise trying to through humanity off from christianity. Could be true but then again it could be totally off. Who knows!
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/6/2009 10:26:07 PM
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For every person who can handle the knowledge of intelligent extraterrestrial life, how many aren't ready and would react similar to the original broadcast of war of the worlds?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/7/2009 11:11:21 AM
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The fact is that aliens have not invaded our planet up to this point in time. Why on earth would such advanced creatures (creatures that in fact do not exist so the topic is theoretical) come to earth and mess with us because we are (I would think) inferior? Our planet is a mess. Our societies are a mess. We are a mess. Whether we can handle it or not is very much an amusing statement.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/7/2009 4:32:54 PM
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The real question is whether or not Christianity can coincide with the existence of aliens. I mean that honestly!
If tomorrow you found out that aliens existed, how would that effect your religious beliefs?
True Christianity could handle it. I'm not so sure about my straight-and-narrow friends who think their interpretation of the bible is correct or else one is going to hell. They'd probably end up in the loony bin if they saw one.
In my case, I believe that so-called aliens are really the same subject (but a difference of manifestation) as other paranormal events and creatures. And the bible actually teaches the existence of such things---- aka "fallen angels".
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/7/2009 5:39:52 PM
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True Christianity could handle it. I'm not so sure about my straight-and-narrow friends who think their interpretation of the bible is correct or else one is going to hell. They'd probably end up in the loony bin if they saw one.
I think that it would indeed cause some very serious questions concerning Christianity.
The Bible makes it clear that the "world" is exclusively us and us alone. God makes no mention of another world that He created. Does God love the aliens as much as He loves us? Does He love us more? Does He love them more? If sin exists in this world, would it not exist for the aliens? After all, if aliens were found, that would require their existence in our fallen world...which further intimates that Adam's sin effected and affected them also! So what is their atonement?
God also tells us in Revelation that He will destroy this universe and create a new and perfect one. How does that fit in with the concept of aliens?
I think there would be quite the theological and spiritual debate if aliens were ever found. Personally, I don't believe it to be compatible with Scriptures, and it is upon this fact that I choose not to fear I will be beamed to a UFO in my sleep!  Scripture is indeed the only absolute truth upon which to base one's belief. I'd be careful with the mocking of your friends, justpassinby (may I call you JPB?). At least they stand by something perfect, and refuse to compromise the one and only truth!
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In my case, I believe that so-called aliens are really the same subject (but a difference of manifestation) as other paranormal events and creatures. And the bible actually teaches the existence of such things---- aka "fallen angels".
Yes indeed, fallen angels walk among us. For all I know, I may have seen one without even knowing it! Kinda creepy...
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/7/2009 7:48:49 PM
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I'd be careful with the mocking of your friends, justpassinby (may I call you JPB?). At least they stand by something perfect, and refuse to compromise the one and only truth!
Not sure what you mean by mocking friends. And I stand by the bible as well. I've read it front to back and back to front many times and even have 6 thick notebooks of my own notes. What about the Nephilim? And the son's of God? The book of Enoch records excessive angelogy and demonolgy. And what did Ezekiel see in chapter one? Lord knows that anyone seeing that today would by definition be describing a UFO. Even legends such as Incubus and Succubus---- and ancient equivalent of today's reproductive experiments? It's all in the bible, but they sound demonic to me.
Now, as for other life, whose to say that such beings are the same type of creation as man? Angelic beings have personality and intelligence, but they are not creatures to be redeemed. Nothing says that there is any competition for salvation in other beings in outer space. They may be created for a different purpose. Mankind was created to be like God--- the offspring of God, not anything lower like the angels. Since he fell, and by falling would bring eternal death and destruction, God wanted a way out for man, on God's own terms, to redeem him again from Satan. It's because of the nature of man that he is in the position he is in.
The real mistake is not in those who believe that there may be life out there. The real mistake is believing that if there are other lifeforms that they are on the same level as man, needing salvation (or if evil can be given such), and because of that come to the conclusion that other life is not possible. That's an assumption definitely not in scripture. But the possibility of life out there is not contrary to biblical teachings.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/7/2009 11:31:40 PM
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i don't panic when a guy from canada comes to town...
You should.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 1:39:55 AM
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evry1needsgod
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Not sure what you mean by mocking friends.
Well I thought it quite obvious with the following statement of yours...
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True Christianity could handle it. I'm not so sure about my straight-and-narrow friends who think their interpretation of the bible is correct or else one is going to hell. They'd probably end up in the loony bin if they saw one.
True Christianity? So if I could not include alien life forms with my own beliefs, then I'm not a true Christian? And all those (whom you claim to be your friends) who can not do the same are not part of true Christianity?
Idk, but that kinda sounds like mocking, don't you think?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 7:30:42 AM
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I think the word is xenophobia....a prejudice against aliens.
The universe is an immence place. Its statistically impossible that intellegent life only exists on one planet of the trillions upon trillions of planets out there.
Have they visited us? Well, the universe is very large. Traveling that far would be very difficult, impossible as far as we know now. For any alien to do that, would make then vastly more intellegent than we are today.
Now does intellegence make them superior or better? No. It may make them a threat...or a great boon. Its theorized that to attain the ability to travel space to get here would automatically make such aliens a benevolent species.
Who knows?
Does the existance of aliens disprove christianity? By no means. If God created aliens, and its almost impossible to think He did not, He would create in them a need for Him.
However, who is to say what God can do and does?
It would not suprise me at all to find out there are christian aliens.
Why didn't God mention life on other planets in the bible? My guess is, the bible was written by humans who didn't even understand what a planet was. Why would God mention aliens? Aliens have nothing to do with the message God wanted for us in the bible, so, its not suprising God did not mention them.
Aliens as demons? That xenophobia again.
People seeing ufo's or the existance of ufo's? People tend to see what they want to see. Personally I cannot see a race of people traveling billions of light years to just do what supposedly ufo's do.
Maybe aliens are like most christians...afraid of being contaminated by inferior beings.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 9:27:02 AM
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does anyone know why the government has to cover this up ... why would the government care to cover it up?
. . . Maybe UFO/flying saucer stories are a cover-up for top secret military testing.
It's possible, isn't it?
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 9:32:34 AM
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I think the word is xenophobia....a prejudice against aliens.
. . . In that case, Sheriff Joe Arpaio should be after them.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 10:21:51 AM
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The universe is an immence place. Its statistically impossible that intellegent life only exists on one planet of the trillions upon trillions of planets out there.
Does the existance of aliens disprove christianity? By no means. If God created aliens, and its almost impossible to think He did not, He would create in them a need for Him.
The Bible doesn't specifically state that there is no intelligent life on other planets, but regardless of statistics, in the Biblical sense it is not at all impossible that we are the only one's when looking at Psalms 8:3-5 as an example:
When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have ordained,
what is man that you are mindful of him. And the son of man that you visit him? For you have made him a little lower than the angels, and you have crowned him with glory and honor.
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Aliens as demons? That xenophobia again.
There's evidence (by quantity and similar testimonies) that some people are victimized by something similar to ghost haunting. We would have to assume that they are all lying (the victims), all deluded, extra-terrestrials are in fact evil, or they are demons/fallen angels. I firmly believe it's the latter.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 12:10:03 PM
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There have been certain members of my family have been more likely than not to walk on the dark side of spirituality. That being said, I have seen some of these so called fallen angels with my own eyes. I know such things exist without question. Maybe it's exactly those fallen angles that are messing with people on earth today
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 2:36:18 PM
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Well I thought it quite obvious with the following statement of yours...
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True Christianity could handle it. I'm not so sure about my straight-and-narrow friends who think their interpretation of the bible is correct or else one is going to hell. They'd probably end up in the loony bin if they saw one.
Then that settles it. Notice I said true Christianity. Maybe that says something about what I believe about the straight-and-narrow folks. They think I am loony by what I believe---i.e. lost tribes of Israel, the Great Pyramid, God's word in the stars, all are in the bible, they don't see it. Well, that's not my problem.
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Not necessarily. A minister wrote a book about UFOs and alien abductions. He points out that these ETs come and talk up anti-christian ideas and some even talk against Christ. He does a good job of detailing the various aspects of UFOs and encounters. He used to work in the aerospace industry before he became a minister so he offers some unique points of view to the physicalitiy of UFOs.
Yes, thanks for those links. I do not have time today to watch the entire 2 hours, but Missler seems to take the same stance that I do regarding UFO's when I looked him up--- interesting that the Nephilim subject was brought up again. I made that connection by my own reasoning and scriptural knowledge before I heard various theories about them, but the theory is gaining acceptance amongst Christianity today. Or I should at least say those who are not afraid of opening up to such possibility without being scared of going to hell or being chastised by God for honest curiosity and learning.
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 6:25:26 PM
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The universe is an immence place. Its statistically impossible that intellegent life only exists on one planet of the trillions upon trillions of planets out there.
It is also not only statistically impossible, but also logically and physically impossible for a human being to come back to life after death....yet it happened!
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Does the existance of aliens disprove christianity? By no means.
Maybe, maybe not. There would be an awful lot of questions, though.
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If God created aliens, and its almost impossible to think He did not, He would create in them a need for Him.
Says who? God created man, and He called it good. He called His entire creation good....until the fall.
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However, who is to say what God can do and does?
Do you hear yourself? Allow me to direct you back to the beginning of this post where you said, "Its statistically impossible that...." But, can't God create the universe as big as He darn well pleases, all to show mankind His infinite power? Could He have only created the Earth? Sure! Could He have stopped with our Galaxy? 10 galaxies? 1mil galaxies? God could have created the universe as big as He wanted. This proves absolutely nothing about your "statistics", ESPECIALLY after boldly stating "who is to say what God can do and does?".
I think you shot yourself in the foot there by accident.
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Why didn't God mention life on other planets in the bible? My guess is, the bible was written by humans who didn't even understand what a planet was.
John wrote Revelation in which the Holy Spirit gave him visions of the future. Since the events of Revelation have not occurred, it is safe to say that Paul at least visioned what exists today.
Let's assume, hypothetically, that the rapture occurs as soon as you read this post, and the event of Revelation begin to unfold. That means that John visioned things such as helicopters, tanks, missiles, cars, bicycles, trains, computers, sky-scrapers, ELECTRICITY....the likes of which John never experienced.....yet he recorded them!
Scripture records the future--that which man did not know! Why couldn't God have inspired the mention of aliens? After all, part of the Bible was written by a man who "didn't even understand what a planet was".
Thanks for the chat!
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/8/2009 6:32:20 PM
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Notice I said true Christianity.
I know, and that is exactly what I addressed. You basically accused all those who do not agree with you of being UN-true Christians, even after accusing your "friends" of their Biblical and spiritual exclusivity to their own beliefs.
Look, we all have our idea of what "true Christianity" is or is not....but for future reference, I'd be a bit more careful as to how flippantly you use that definition. You may just find out one day that you were wrong; and upon that realization feel horrible as to how many "friends" you lost because you claimed they weren't practicing "true Christianity". Just be careful...Thanks!
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RE: aliens and ufo's - 8/9/2009 7:29:59 PM
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Not necessarily. A minister wrote a book about UFOs and alien abductions. He points out that these ETs come and talk up anti-christian ideas and some even talk against Christ. He does a good job of detailing the various aspects of UFOs and encounters. He used to work in the aerospace industry before he became a minister so he offers some unique points of view to the physicalitiy of UFOs.
Hi Marcus:
As an update, I managed to watch (in piecemeal fashion) that entire video today. I think EVERYONE ought to watch it. As suspected and mentioned earlier, he takes the same position I do regarding aliens and UFO's namely, what I call the "Genesis 6 incident". Indeed, the idea of alien reproductive experiments, ancient legends involving incubus and succubus demons and today's paranormal experiences such as poltergeists all fit he same model. Besides the reproductive experiments, we often hear in the case of poltergeists a teenage girl being the agent causing the manifestation of the entity. As soon as I hear about the sexual nature of these encounters, the idea of abductions, and young women or girls, I immediately associated the phenomenon with Genesis 6 as Missler did.
The fact that angelic-human mating took place is well documented in apocryphal literature as well (whether one wants to believe them or not, one must ask where the idea came from). Missler also brought up the legends of other cultures that have this similar theme of god-women breeding such as Titan stories.
Yes, there are definitely UFO's, but as to who "runs" these things I believe are very different than what is commonly accepted. BTW, if you ever watched "Signs" with Mel Gibson in it, you will notice that it took place in Bucks County Pa, the border of which is less than 2 miles from my house. Yes, the corn fields really do look that way, and I let the local farmer here plant corn for free on 2 acres of my land for his cattle feed for many years. It is very tall here, and after talking about UFO's tonight, I think I'm getting the chills just looking into my own backyard.
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