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RE: RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 7/31/2009 2:13:45 PM
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No but to follow any mental illness you have to know that the consequences of not taking meds could be detrimental whether it be homicidal tendencies, suicidal tendences, aggressive rages...anything is possible. Why take the chance?
Because often the people with a mental illness do not fully understand the consequences of not taking their medication.
Someone on antibiotics stops taking their meds early. Why? Because they feel better. They do not think that they're going to get ill again.
Someone taking medication for mental health problems stops taking their meds early. Why? Because they feel better. They do not think they are going to get ill again.
When someone is taking medications and have moments of coherency and understanding, he knows why he's taking meds and he knows why he needs to continue to do so.
Regardless of what a person thinks, there have to be reprocussions for this or else people will use mental illness to get away with murder...oh wait...they already do. 
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RE: RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 7/31/2009 2:31:54 PM
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When someone is taking medications and have moments of coherency and understanding, he knows why he's taking meds and he knows why he needs to continue to do so. No. They don't. Not always. Otherwise someone who takes antibiotics would continue to take their medication as prescribed.
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RE: RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 7/31/2009 2:34:48 PM
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When someone is taking medications and have moments of coherency and understanding, he knows why he's taking meds and he knows why he needs to continue to do so. No. They don't. Not always. Otherwise someone who takes antibiotics would continue to take their medication as prescribed.
People who do this think they know more than the doctor. "Hmmm...that doctor's crazy; I feel better...why do I need to keep taking these?" then two weeks later end up back at the doctor for the exact same thing. Wouldn't you think they'd learn?
Apparently I am someone who feels that people need to be held accountable for their actions. *shrug* If you're taking meds and the doctor gives you a specific time frame, then IMO it's a no brainer to listen to your doctor...and should you chose not to, then you should be held accountable for it.
Mental illness is not something to take lightly and to say, "Well he thought he was getting better," doesn't cut it with me. There has to be accountability in there somewhere.
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RE: RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 7/31/2009 2:49:27 PM
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Apparently I am someone who feels that people need to be held accountable for their actions. *shrug* If you're taking meds and the doctor gives you a specific time frame, then IMO it's a no brainer to listen to your doctor...and should you chose not to, then you should be held accountable for it. I agree that you're supposed to take meds as prescribed, not the way you feel like them.
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Mental illness is not something to take lightly and to say, "Well he thought he was getting better," doesn't cut it with me. There has to be accountability in there somewhere. I'm not saying that people should get off scott-free, but I'm going to ask (again) the question of what support people get ~ someone with mental health problems may often need support other than simply getting a repeat prescription from their prescribing doctor.
What support, if any, did this woman receive outside of her doctor giving her medication?
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RE:RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 7/31/2009 4:39:28 PM
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Getting help for mental health issues is often hard because there is Often a trust issue going on as well. if you don't trust your pdoc then it is hard to justify taking meds. if you are getting meds from a family doctor, he may not be educated in the best ways to treat mental illnesses.
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RE: RE:RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 8/14/2009 12:19:17 AM
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May I contribute to the discussion with a little complementary note...
I have bipolar disorder and took me years to experiment with the dosage and what pill to take, and as a result I learnt to monitor myself, in fact, I now can make a distinction when I'm emotionally depressed or medically depressed or both. There is a difference between the two. After 3 years I was able to tell the doctor how many mgs of what kind of medicine worked to what degree with precision, including the side effects.
And you guys are absolutely right, the inexperinced depressed individual says easily they don't need medication and end up in the same cycle. It may stem from being ashamed of the condition, pride, that they don't need help. Actually, talking about bipolar, one of the symptoms of the illness is the denial that one has a problem. Been there done that, and seen it in other people as well.
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RE: RE:RE:MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 8/14/2009 6:36:59 AM
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took me years to experiment with the dosage and what pill to take I'm not sure of your definition of 'experiment' but I am going to stress that it's not a good idea to self-medicate. There can be serious side effects from doing this and it's vital that your doctor knows what you are doing.
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MentalHealthDebate-OneStopThread - 8/14/2009 7:17:17 AM
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took me years to experiment with the dosage and what pill to take I'm not sure of your definition of 'experiment' but I am going to stress that it's not a good idea to self-medicate. There can be serious side effects from doing this and it's vital that your doctor knows what you are doing.
I agree with agapetos.
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Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2009 9:24:29 PM
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Serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine are chemicals that act as neurotransmitters or messengers in the brain. They send messages between different areas of the brain and are thought to influence one’s mood and anxiety level. One theory of panic disorder is that symptoms are caused by an imbalance of one or more of these chemicals.
Support for this theory is the reduction of panic symptoms many patients experience when antidepressants, which alter brain chemicals, are introduced. Some examples are:
PANIC DISORDERS MAY BE GENETIC
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Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2009 6:59:10 PM
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I think that if we aren't following God's guidance, it will effect us spiritually. Some need medications, some don't.
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Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/6/2009 10:24:18 PM
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Is mental illness an excuse to sin?
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/7/2009 1:43:50 AM
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There's a fine line involved. Several really. Like is the person aware of reality and consequences at the time? Did they know they were mentally ill, knowingly stop treatment with the realization that such that what they're doing/considering or have done could be a consequence? Several other questions would need to also be asked and answered to give your question an answer.
Then too, some use their illness as an excuse for sin and bad/rude/inconsiderate behavior. I know it's considered disrespectful to speak ill of the dead and even more so when the dead one was your parent, but my Dad was a champion of using his illness as an excuse for what he did. Like you could pointedly ask him why in the midst of a bad episode or just after one and get an answer like "the voices told me to do it". Once, I could buy that. But even as a child, from what I'd learned about true friends, I knew there were choices involved on his part when he kept bringing out that particular answer.
So without more detail to the question, the answer is about as clear as mud.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/7/2009 4:47:09 AM
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Is mental illness an excuse to sin?
No. But it is sometimes a reason why people do sin.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/7/2009 10:44:22 PM
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This is very true, Agapetos. It's the "excuse" part that has a muddy answer. Mental illnesses have a way of twisting how a person perceives the world and/or how they react to it, both of which can result in sin. It's "excuse" that I take issue with because a mental illness isn't like a "get out of jail free card" to be used endlessly for absolution from anything and everything - as some, like my Dad, would prefer to use their illness (though I realize this is an extreme example).
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Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/8/2009 9:30:57 AM
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Is it wrong for people to claim that because they are mentally ill they can commit this sin or that sin?
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/8/2009 9:44:38 AM
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Yes. They may commit the sin because of their mental health problems, that doesn't give them the right to commit it though.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/10/2009 5:24:03 PM
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This is very true, Agapetos. It's the "excuse" part that has a muddy answer. Mental illnesses have a way of twisting how a person perceives the world and/or how they react to it, both of which can result in sin. It's "excuse" that I take issue with because a mental illness isn't like a "get out of jail free card" to be used endlessly for absolution from anything and everything - as some, like my Dad, would prefer to use their illness (though I realize this is an extreme example).
It seems like there are way too many people who use it like a "get out of jail free card" like you mentioned.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 1:18:39 PM
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I thought of mental illness that way too. I thought it was an excuse... until my life got destroyed by someone with a PD.
There are some mental illnesses, where the ill never recognize their behavior as abnormal, and forget about knowing sinful.
In case of some personality disorders, they manifest themselves in distorted reality.
I always think about Paul's words to the Romans in chapter 14. How is it possible that it is sin for one to eat meat, yet not for an other?
To a mentally ill, some things that we consider sinful, seem completely normal and in some cases consider it God's will. And, the opposite is true. Something completely normal appears to them as the devil in action. No amount of reason, logic, Bible verse or sane discourse will dissuade them.
-- All that said, I do believe some people use it as an excuse. I just think there are more people whom are ill and don't realize it, then normal and just evil. 
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/16/2009 12:10:32 PM
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I have bipolar disorder. I was diagnosed three years ago. But almost ten years before that I was depressed, raging at my husband. Taking knives out of the drawer and studying them, trying to work up the courage to kill myself, crying, screaming, sleeping endlessly......My husband begged me to get help. He begged to me to take medication. I wouldn't. Why, because only a terrible Christian or lost person would take some kind of mind altering drug. I could handle it. I just needed more self-control, more quiet times, more prayer.
So seven years, thousands of dollars, and an affair later, I was finally willing to see a doctor. Now I take meds every day, and I will never apologize for it. I wonder how much pain our family would have been spared if I hadn't been so stubborn and self-righteous ten years before?
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/16/2009 12:49:40 PM
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Hi heremainsfaithfully, welcome to forums. You may want to look into posting in the mental health encouragement thread. I'm glad that you sought treatment and are managing your health better now.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/16/2009 1:04:18 PM
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I plan to look into that. But as long as there is a debate out there about whether there is such a thing as mental illness and whether it should be treated, I will always be close by - tee hee
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/16/2009 1:24:36 PM
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That's great, just thought I'd mention it (but don't worry about the length of the other thread, just jump in and start posting). I have bipolar (2 and just been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder).
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/17/2009 10:15:27 AM
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I found this interesting story on ssri.
http://ssristories.com/
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