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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 3/13/2007 4:06:47 PM
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Yeah and according to one prophet (forgot his name), there is only one Pope left until the end of the world. And there is also a prophecy of a "Bad Pope", so if there is only one pope left, and there still needs to be a "bad pope", then the next pope just might be who you say. 
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 3/17/2007 8:03:05 AM
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and there still needs to be a "bad pope", then the next pope just might be who you say.
POPE BENEDICT IN FIRST CHRISTMAS ADDRESS
December 25, 2005 - ITN - Pope Benedict, in his first Christmas address, has urged humanity to unite against terrorism, poverty and environmental blight. He called for a "new world order" to correct economic imbalances. The Pope made his comments to tens of thousands of pilgrims gathered under umbrellas in a rainy St Peter square for his "Urbi et Orbi" (to the city and the world) message and blessing.
In his address, telecast live from the central balcony of St Peter's Basilica to tens of millions of people in nearly 40 countries, he also urged his listeners not to let technological achievements blind them to true human values. He said humanity should look to the Christ child for encouragement in times of difficulty and fear. "A united humanity will be able to confront the many troubling problems of the present time: from the menace of terrorism to the humiliating poverty in which millions of human beings live, from the proliferation of weapons to the pandemics and the environmental destruction which threatens the future of our planet," he said.
"Do not fear; put your trust in him! The life-giving power of his light is an incentive for building a new world order based on just ethical and economic relationships," he said, speaking in Italian. Marching bands of the Swiss Guard and Italian police played for the crowd near a larger-than-life nativity scene, making for a festive atmosphere despite the rain. The address by the leader of the world's some 1.1 billion Roman Catholics was different in style than those of his predecessor John Paul, who died last April. John Paul wrote his Christmas addresses in free-style verse and resembled poetry, whereas Benedict's was in prose like a normal homily or speech. After the address, Benedict wished the world a Happy Christmas in 33 languages, including Arabic, Hebrew, Swahili, Japanese and Latin. His predecessor sometimes used twice as many languages on Christmas. http://www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?id=1497316
I remember seeing the above news report on the news at the time and then it was printed on many websites, now its hard to find.
Anyway,
Does anyone know what the New World Order is or what it represents?
Does anyone know the significance of the number 33 and how it ties into the elite of the New World Order?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 3/17/2007 11:08:04 PM
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HERE is the complete text of the message. It is really easy to find....
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 3/20/2007 9:58:54 PM
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and there still needs to be a "bad pope", then the next pope just might be who you say.
POPE BENEDICT IN FIRST CHRISTMAS ADDRESS
December 25, 2005 - ITN - Pope Benedict, in his first Christmas address, has urged humanity to unite against terrorism, poverty and environmental blight. He called for a "new world order" to correct economic imbalances. The Pope made his comments to tens of thousands of pilgrims gathered under umbrellas in a rainy St Peter square for his "Urbi et Orbi" (to the city and the world) message and blessing.
In his address, telecast live from the central balcony of St Peter's Basilica to tens of millions of people in nearly 40 countries, he also urged his listeners not to let technological achievements blind them to true human values. He said humanity should look to the Christ child for encouragement in times of difficulty and fear. "A united humanity will be able to confront the many troubling problems of the present time: from the menace of terrorism to the humiliating poverty in which millions of human beings live, from the proliferation of weapons to the pandemics and the environmental destruction which threatens the future of our planet," he said.
"Do not fear; put your trust in him! The life-giving power of his light is an incentive for building a new world order based on just ethical and economic relationships," he said, speaking in Italian. Marching bands of the Swiss Guard and Italian police played for the crowd near a larger-than-life nativity scene, making for a festive atmosphere despite the rain. The address by the leader of the world's some 1.1 billion Roman Catholics was different in style than those of his predecessor John Paul, who died last April. John Paul wrote his Christmas addresses in free-style verse and resembled poetry, whereas Benedict's was in prose like a normal homily or speech. After the address, Benedict wished the world a Happy Christmas in 33 languages, including Arabic, Hebrew, Swahili, Japanese and Latin. His predecessor sometimes used twice as many languages on Christmas. http://www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?id=1497316
I remember seeing the above news report on the news at the time and then it was printed on many websites, now its hard to find.
Anyway,
Does anyone know what the New World Order is or what it represents?
Does anyone know the significance of the number 33 and how it ties into the elite of the New World Order?
And I still dont care, i still believe in post-mill........
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 4/3/2007 1:30:33 PM
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I don't think it could be Israel, definitely. In the book of Daniel it says the "little horn" which Revelation calls the Beast and leader of Babylon will enter into a covenant with Israel and then break that covenant, invading the country. Obviously the country that it SHOULD NOT BE then is Israel.
I've heard a lot of stuff about it being the RCC and find it convincing. I also have heard stuff about it possibly being the USA which also sounds possible. And I've even talked to people it could be a revived Roman empire based on the United Nations. The argument for that was that Rome ruled pretty much everything the UN now does, and that Revelation 17 speaks of 10 horns which are 10 kings and will fight the Beast (meaning he'd probably rule America). I believe the UN council has 10 rulers or something, right? Anyway, I found it an interesting possibility.
What I really find interesting though is where it says in Revelation 20:4 that the beast will apparently "behead" Christians. Guess what group of lovely fellows are the only ones to practice that right now? ISLAM.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 11/24/2007 4:57:26 PM
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The fourth kingdom in Daniel chapter 2 is the Roman empire. Catholicism calls itself "the holy roman empire". The vatican considers itself to be a country with its own embassies and head of state. Toward the end of the age near the bottom of the image in Dan. chapter 2 you have the feet of the image, made of iron and clay. The legs and feet, are Rome. When you get to the feet it talks of "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men", Daniel 2:43; and "the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken", Daniel 2:42.
Every catholic no matter what country he lives in is a citizen of the vatican, according to the catholic church. This arrangement seems to fulfill the Daniel prophecy. The so called, Holy Roman Empire, the country of the vatican has citizens scattered in many countries. So they (the present day Romans) have mingled themselves with the seed of men. The kingdom is partly strong because every catholic is supposed to obey the vatican no matter what country he is in. It is partly broken because the people are in different countries speaking different languages.
The ten toes of the image will be 10 kingdoms that will arise out of the Roman empire territory and rule with the last world leader. Those kingdoms will probably come from the European Union and be what is called the revived Roman empire, or the 7th kingdom in Revelation.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 11/24/2007 5:21:13 PM
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 12/10/2007 1:20:38 AM
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dear admin manager,
Peace to You! The Catholic Church is an interesting subject these days. Some interpret the revelation in the reference view that Babylon and the dragon vs The Woman speaks of this. I cannot, of course, justify that because of the statement: All nations have drunk in the maddening wine of her adulteries against God. We know that the Catholics are not present to run all nations since the beginning after the fall at the tree. Therefore, these things are spiritual. Like unto satan himself as well! God is spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and in truth. The Woman is Body of Christ chosen people since the beginning of time that are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
So then, God's Church is spiritual and is spiritually descerned rather than by denomination alone.
My answer to you question is that it is of little importance what happens to the rulership of the Catholic Church which has always been the case, but instead what happens to the Body of Believers is what matters.
The pamphlet that I have seen circulating is wrong in some of these things then.
It is written: it is not for you to know the times or the seasons which The Father has set by His Own Authority.
We only are given in Scripture what happens to facilitate and bring about the 10 rulers at the last 7 year period marked by the appearance of the two Olive Trees at Jerusalem after the two seal Judgments given by The Lord upon the earth.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 12/16/2007 12:38:09 PM
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 12/17/2007 10:05:03 PM
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 12/19/2007 5:02:38 PM
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There are two camps on this subject... those who say the Church is in prophecy in a good light and those who say it is in a bad light.
What is your support for your stance?
How do you translate the Catholic church as it is reflected in prophecy?
WARNING
This topic is highly controversial and will require cool heads and thick skins. Please be courteous and respectful to those who disagree with your stance on this subject.
Greetings! To my knowledge there is no Scriptural prophecy conscerning the Catholic Church per se. Spiritually, either you are a citizen of fallen Babylon the great or a citizen of the New Jerusalem of the woman and the stars.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 12/24/2007 12:00:07 PM
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There are two camps on this subject... those who say the Church is in prophecy in a good light and those who say it is in a bad light.
What is your support for your stance?
How do you translate the Catholic church as it is reflected in prophecy?
WARNING
This topic is highly controversial and will require cool heads and thick skins. Please be courteous and respectful to those who disagree with your stance on this subject.
Greetings! To my knowledge there is no Scriptural prophecy conscerning the Catholic Church per se. Spiritually, either you are a citizen of fallen Babylon the great or a citizen of the New Jerusalem of the woman and the stars.
Well, the Church of scripture is one united ecclesial body (Eph 4:3-4; Eph 4:13-16; Jn 17:21; Mt 16:18) without schismatic divisions (1 Cor 12:25; Rom 16:17; 1 Cor 1:10; Jude 1:19; Gal 5:20; 3 John 1:9-10), with one teaching for all the churches (Acts 15:22-23,25,28/Acts 16:4-5; 1 Tim 1:3; 1 Cor 1:10; Eph 4:5; Jude 1:3), and one bishopric authorized of and by the apostles (Titus 1:5) by the laying on of hands in ordination (Heb 6:2; 2 Tim 1:6; 1 Tim 4:14; Titus 1:5), sharing ministers back and forth among all churches (1 Cor 16:3; Rom 16:1,3,9,21,23; Phil 2:19,25; Titus 3:12), receiving one another in fellowship and in greeting (Rom 15:5-7; Rom 16:16; Col 4:10,12,14; 3 John 1:9-10), where excommunication removes individuals from this one body (Matt 18:17; 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,4-5), and which existed from St. Peter and the apostles unto today (Matt 16:18-19; Eph 3:21).
Protestantism, in contrast, is literally thousands of separatist ecclesial governments that do not share one ecclesial body, that have endless schismatic divisions, that share no united teaching for all churches, that contain no authorized bishopric dating to the apostles, that do not share ministers between all churches, that do not receieve all members both in fellowship and greeting, and which have no effective excommunication.
Therefore, Isaiah 9:7 most certainly is a prophesy about the Catholic Church:
Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 12/25/2007 6:27:35 AM
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Greetings Parousia! I believe that The Church of God is spiritually discerned as Jesus said in the parable of wheat and tares. Many folds, One God!
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 7/17/2008 9:44:16 PM
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...in his first Christmas address, has urged humanity to unite against terrorism, poverty and environmental blight. He called for a "new world order" to correct economic imbalances....
Instead of quoting what someone else says about his speech, why not quote the speech itself? That is usually a better idea. Entire sermons are online
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 7/18/2008 11:14:43 AM
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Fascinating Interest In Ancient Prophecy About Popes
Many commentators are relating the choice of Cardinal Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI to the prophecies of St. Malachy from the 12th Century. He made brief predictions of the last 112 Popes, leading up to the time of the final judgment. Such prophecies do not have the standing of Scripture, but there is a gift of prophecy, and when properly monitored (1 Corinthians chapters 12-14), it is helpful to the church. Prophecy Central does not usually report personal prophecies. This site is about Biblical prophecy. Even famous prophets like Nostradamus are not usually considered here. In this case, it is may be wise to give St. Malachi's predictions some consideration. According to his list, the new Pope is second to the last, and depicted as "the Glory of the Olive." Many observers feel that his choice of the name Benedict is significant in this regard. Here is a sampling of articles about these prophecies.
http://www.bible-prophecy.com/catholic.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43887
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 7/18/2008 12:45:27 PM
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...in his first Christmas address, has urged humanity to unite against terrorism, poverty and environmental blight. He called for a "new world order" to correct economic imbalances....
Instead of quoting what someone else says about his speech, why not quote the speech itself? That is usually a better idea. Entire sermons are online
Hello Waiter
Is this what your talking about:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/01/pope.ny.ap/
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 8/3/2008 7:43:11 AM
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For centuries, most commentators, particularly Protestants thought that Revelation 17 and the woman was a reference to the RCC. Only in the past 10 years or so, has anything been written that really nails the issue of who the woman is.
The woman is the chief goddess of Babylon known as Ishtar or Inanna, often mistakenly thought to be Semiramis - as Alexander Hislop so arrogantly tried to assert to his own horrendous error. Archaeology has proven from Royal Records uncovered at Babylon in the King's Royal Archives - that no such woman as Semiramis ever existed as queen or goddess.
Ishtar, however, was given the title of "MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS" by her worshipers. This phrase is found in Rev 17:5 and is often misinterpreted as being the RCC - which Ishtar is not.
Ishtar is being described in Rev 17 throughout. Her religion was a 'prostitute" religion in the sense that her priestesses were called "holy harlots" or "holy whores" - because they were considered pure and holy by Ishtar worshipers.
An Ishtar worshiper would go to the temple and engage in sexual intercourse with a temple harlot/priestess whose body would become 'possessed' by the spirit of the goddess so that the worshiper, the priestess and the goddess would become united as "one" so that the worshiper might be purified from sins by the sexual secretions produced and considered a 'mystical' baptism. Ishtar's religion was called a "mystery"
After the sexual worship ritual, the worshiper would drop a gold or silver coin (shekel) in the temple collection box as a thanksgiving offering to the goddess which would be used to help defray the costs of the temple and keep the temple workers income to cover their living expenses.
Ishtar also had a ritual where the King had to perform the sex ritual every New Year's eve which was on April 1 on our calendar. If the King failed to sexually please the goddess, he was killed and a new king chosen. Failure to satisfy the goddess could result in crop failures because Ishtar was also the goddess of Fertility. During the New Year's ritual, the public would gather outside the Temple to cheer on the King and they themselves would have a huge, drunken sex orgy of their own out in the street.
Travelling merchants especially used Ishtar's religion because Ishtar's temples serves as banks - Ishtar's religion invented the concept of money and banking and loaning out money with interest. - All forbidden by God.
The bank/money connection is where the concept of prostitution originated. Initially, prostitution was a religious concept only. Not until later centuries, did the idea of of prostitution become sexularized.
Some critics have contended that Rev 17:9 and the reference to "7 hills" implied the city of Rome or the Vatican. However, the original Greek word used in the verse is the word "hora" which meant in root form, large landmass - and according to the pre-eminent Greek-English Lexicon - Liddell & Scott, the word could be used for the 7 continents of the world.
One of Ishtar's mystery doctrines states that Ishtar's crown had 7 spikes which functioned to reflect the occult enlightenment of her brother, the sun-god Utu (aka Shamash) onto each of the 7 hora of the world and the 7 Seas. In other words 7 continents. The Greek worshippers of Ishtar used that word "hora" in their Greek translation of the Babylonian doctrine. This is undoubtedly what John was trying to demonstrate by using that particular Greek word. The proper Greek term for the 7 hills of Rome was the Latin derivative word - "bounos" which originated from the island of Sicily.
So Rev 17 is NOT a reference to an apostate church, but rather a Babylonian deity - who in reality was/is a fallen angel in the Satanic rebellion. She or it - functions as a guardian angel of a nation which is code-named "Babylon" not only in Revelation 17 and 18 but also in Isaiah chapters 13, 14, 47 and perhaps 18 and a snippet of 21. Also, Jeremiah 50 and 51 deal extensively with a future Babylon and its destruction by fire in a first judgment and by sinking below the ocean in the 2nd judgment.
The best works I know of on the subject of Mystery Babylon is:
"America, The Babylon" - www.americathebabylon.com
and also "The Mystery Babylon Debate Handbook" which is a FREE E-book download which you can download for FREE at the link below
http://www.aoreport.com/mag/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=529&Itemid=67
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 8/3/2008 8:30:40 AM
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invented the concept of money and banking and loaning out money with interest. - All forbidden by God.
Please provide proof that God forbade money and banking and loaning out money with interest, preferably Scriptures.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 8/4/2008 10:44:31 AM
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invented the concept of money and banking and loaning out money with interest. - All forbidden by God.
Please provide proof that God forbade money and banking and loaning out money with interest, preferably Scriptures.
Thanks!
The concept of money that God prohibited was in terms of minted coinage as provided by the pagan temples which had images of their deities on them. This plays into God's commands against graven images. God did permit the use of precious metals as a bartering system per se, but the concept of the nation-state minting coins with images was not permitted, again due to the 'graven images' prohibition.
Coinage was a concept that was used rather loosely it seems. For the Jews, coinage meant anything like a chip, or a ring of metal,- gold, silver, copper, or even as I recall bronze without any engraved art work which in our day, art is part of coinage. The type of coinage the Jews used was not necessarily standardized per se and weights might often vary.
I don't have the precise rabbinical referrences to this issue handy or available. I did have a link for it, but it has vanished.
The first instance of Jews making their own coinage occurs in at the time of around 400 B.C. if I remember correctly when Persia permitted an unknown Jew to strike a Jewish coin.
Prior to that time, according to rabbinical sources Jews refused to use any type of minted coinage with engraved art or faces on them.
Prohibitions against Interest loans - Scripture references:
Exodus 22:25-27
Leviticus 25:36-37
Deuteronomy 23:20-21
I Sam 22:2
II Kings 4:1
Isa 50:1
Ezekiel 22:12
Nehemiah 5:7 and 12:13
The Exodus passage also indicates that the idea of holding collateral, at least as it pertained to clothing was forbidden if it was for more than daylight hours. The Deuteronomy passage also forbids using a millstone for collateral.
FYI - Here are links to goddess Ishtar coin molds, in other words the image is of the mold used to make Ishtar temple coins. Dates to the early 2nd Millenium B.C.
Here is a link to a page with a close up
http://www.theartnewspaper.com/iraqmus/fotodett.asp?nomecart=akkadian&nomefoto=108.JPG
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 8/4/2008 12:09:15 PM
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Okay, so money per se isn't forbidden by God, nor were bankers.
Charging interest was forbidden only to fellow Israelites. One of your passages even said they could charge foreigners.
Some of the other passages you mentioned have nothing to do with God forbidding collateral or interest, but are talking about people who were in debt.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 8/6/2008 3:02:24 AM
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Okay, so money per se isn't forbidden by God, nor were bankers.
Charging interest was forbidden only to fellow Israelites. One of your passages even said they could charge foreigners.
Some of the other passages you mentioned have nothing to do with God forbidding collateral or interest, but are talking about people who were in debt.
It depends on what you mean by money. What we think of today as money, engraved-image coins were forbidden and the Jews didn't mint engraved-image coins. The primary methods of payment were precious metals in the raw form as ingots, or jewels, and or barter. There was no such thing as paper money per se.
Loaning at interest within Israel was forbidden. God did permit the Jews to stick it to the gentiles however but His preference is clearly shown in ordinances against interest within His own people. His Temple would not countenance the banking concepts of the pagan world.
By not minting coins as the gentiles and their pagan temples did, indicates God was not in favor of such forms of monetarism.
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