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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/4/2007 11:59:22 PM
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How about bands like Goatblaster, Bury Your Dead, Killswitch Engage, Whitechapel, Heavy Heavy Low Low, and Broke as a Joke for all you fans of rap? Michael W Smith supports them so how bad can they be? If you want to learn more about them, you can go to http://forums.crosswalk.com/Michael_W%25_Smith%2c_what_is_going_on%3f/m_2594097/tm.htm
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/5/2007 10:17:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: flippoman Neil Morse formerly of Spock's Beard ( a good prog rock band) is a christian with 2 alblums, Testimony and One. Kerry Livgren of Kansas became a Christian before the Audio Visions album, so all the songs he wrote since then have a christian theme. Kansas came out with an album with all the original members in 2000 called "Somewhere to Elsewhere" Livgren wrote all the songs for this album and it is very good. Phil Neal actually has three cd's out now, the third is titled "?" He's about as close as you're gonna come to anything like Yes in the Christian genre. Kerry Livgren also has a couple of cd's out with a pre-Kansas band called Protokaw. I'm not familiar with Glass Hammer, Glass Harp was Keaggy's secular band back in the early 70's. They reunited a few years ago and released some new stuff, maybe that's who you mean? ETA: I've been looking for a Yessish Christian band for almost 10 years now and haven't come close. Good luck amigo, you'll need it. The last CD is called: "Sola Scriptura" and in between there is "Question Mark". And you're right, this is as close as you can get to the Yes music. I was a big Yes fan and I love Neal Morses music. You can also check out Transatlantic. That's also with Marc Portnoy and similar to Yes music.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/5/2007 12:38:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: USMC10yrs How about bands like Goatblaster, Bury Your Dead, Killswitch Engage, Whitechapel, Heavy Heavy Low Low, and Broke as a Joke for all you fans of rap? Michael W Smith supports them so how bad can they be? If you want to learn more about them, you can go to http://forums.crosswalk.com/Michael_W%25_Smith%2c_what_is_going_on%3f/m_2594097/tm.htm In fact, better yet, here's a link to Rocketown: http://www.rcktwn.com/ Tell me, after looking through the entire site, if there is ANYTHING connecting the above bands you mentioned with things in the Rocketown site. I highly doubt Michael W. Smith would want to jeopardize his reputation on anything based on what these guys you quote would say. As a governmental figure in the Iran-Contra affair said 20 years ago, "Trust but verify".
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/5/2007 2:29:40 PM
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There's an instrumental prog album out by a musician named Jeremy who has an album called "Pilgrim's Journey" which was an idea in the same vein as the story "Pilgrim's Progress". It's reminiscent of some of the 70's prog in it's musical structure. I don't know if he's a Christian, but he says he's a spiritual person which motivated him to make this album. Myself, I don't necessarily look for Christian prog. Rather, I tend to enjoy finding prog with Christian/religious themes. To me, it's similar to enjoying classical music with Christian/religious themes. Generally, one won't worry too much about the spiritual walk of a historical figure in Classical music as far as deciding whether or not they will listen to their music. There's more of a tendency to enjoy the music for what it is. And if the music has, say a Christ resurrected theme, one is likely to enjoy it without worrying about what the composer's spiritual life was like. This is how I would view a modern prog project. An example might be Triumvirat and Gentle Giant. However as I understand it, some members in these bands are Christian.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/5/2007 4:38:41 PM
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ORIGINAL: USMC10yrs How about bands like Goatblaster, Bury Your Dead, Killswitch Engage, Whitechapel, Heavy Heavy Low Low, and Broke as a Joke for all you fans of rap? Michael W Smith supports them so how bad can they be? If you want to learn more about them, you can go to http://forums.crosswalk.com/Michael_W%25_Smith%2c_what_is_going_on%3f/m_2594097/tm.htm In fact, better yet, here's a link to Rocketown: http://www.rcktwn.com/ Tell me, after looking through the entire site, if there is ANYTHING connecting the above bands you mentioned with things in the Rocketown site. I highly doubt Michael W. Smith would want to jeopardize his reputation on anything based on what these guys you quote would say. As a governmental figure in the Iran-Contra affair said 20 years ago, "Trust but verify". I have checked it out and I found that if you go to the site and then go to the photogallery, you can then find the posters when you click on the posters. first you see the first 7 and then you can click to the rest. The page is called "smug-mug". Now I don't know these bands, but a lot of these posters are surely not holy. It these are posters of concerts there, I am affraid this is something to worry about. But this topic was ment to give advise on Christian Music that sounds like Yes.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/5/2007 8:27:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: lisarox quote:
ORIGINAL: USMC10yrs How about bands like Goatblaster, Bury Your Dead, Killswitch Engage, Whitechapel, Heavy Heavy Low Low, and Broke as a Joke for all you fans of rap? Michael W Smith supports them so how bad can they be? If you want to learn more about them, you can go to http://forums.crosswalk.com/Michael_W%25_Smith%2c_what_is_going_on%3f/m_2594097/tm.htm In fact, better yet, here's a link to Rocketown: http://www.rcktwn.com/ Tell me, after looking through the entire site, if there is ANYTHING connecting the above bands you mentioned with things in the Rocketown site. I highly doubt Michael W. Smith would want to jeopardize his reputation on anything based on what these guys you quote would say. As a governmental figure in the Iran-Contra affair said 20 years ago, "Trust but verify". I have checked it out and I found that if you go to the site and then go to the photogallery, you can then find the posters when you click on the posters. first you see the first 7 and then you can click to the rest. The page is called "smug-mug". Now I don't know these bands, but a lot of these posters are surely not holy. It these are posters of concerts there, I am affraid this is something to worry about. But this topic was ment to give advise on Christian Music that sounds like Yes. Now you are clicking on the second link for http://www.rcktwn.com/ --is that correct?
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/6/2007 4:05:38 AM
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Tell me, after looking through the entire site, if there is ANYTHING connecting the above bands you mentioned with things in the Rocketown site. I highly doubt Michael W. Smith would want to jeopardize his reputation on anything based on what these guys you quote would say. As a governmental figure in the Iran-Contra affair said 20 years ago, "Trust but verify". First, go to http://www.rocketown.smugmug.com/gallery/2577894 (at least as long as they leave it up) to see the flyers for some past events. Second, go to "Events" and you will see the bands that are coming up (including a band I did not previously review "A Job for Cowboys", read their lyrics to Knee Deep and Entities as well as 2 Cents and Mindless Self Indulgence who I have write ups done on already)
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/6/2007 2:14:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: RustedGears For anyone following this thread: Just wanted to let ya know, I picked up Neal Morse's "?" (the title is a question mark) CD on Friday.......sounds really good!!!!! Also bought Proto-Kaw, "Waiting For the Glory" CD/DVD (with Kerry Livgren) Anyone who's into prog-rock will LOVE this......especially if you were into Kerry's post Kansas band, A.D. They are both well worth the cost. God Bless! If you think ? is good, you absolutely must get his newest release, Sola Scriptura. The story of Martin Luther's "rebellion" put to some of the best music he's ever written. He just keeps getting better. I concur. While I thought is was ok when I first got it, "Sola Scriptura" has grown on me over the past few weeks of listening to it and I now put it up with both "One" and "?". I still have to get "Testimony". uncabeeil and gtrdave: Thanks for these comments. As it happens, I've wanted to pick up "Sola Scriptura" for some time now. However, a friend lent me his "Testimony" to listen to and I like it so much I think I may get that one first.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 8/6/2007 3:33:03 PM
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Thank you Furrypurrykitty. I am gonna check some bands out.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 2/2/2008 10:51:37 PM
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YAY!! A thread with some Neal love! Neal rules! 'Nuff said. I can't believe no one has mentioned Narnia. Yes, their style leans heavily on the mid-to-late 80s hair metal style, but they are definitely prog metal. Their guitarist (Carljohan Grimmark) is absolutely phenomenal! http://www.narniaworld.com http://www.nealmorse.com
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/2/2008 2:12:01 PM
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Since this old thread has re-surfaced thought I'd post something for the proggers here who like YES. A while back I was given a Glass Hammer CD to listen to. I liked it alot and did a google search to see if they are still an active band. It turns out they are and were getting close to releasing a new CD featuring Jon Anderson on vocals. So for all you Yes fans looking for Christian prog rock, you should enjoy their new CD.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/2/2008 9:05:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: RustedGears Since this old thread has re-surfaced thought I'd post something for the proggers here who like YES. A while back I was given a Glass Hammer CD to listen to. I liked it alot and did a google search to see if they are still an active band. It turns out they are and were getting close to releasing a new CD featuring Jon Anderson on vocals. So for all you Yes fans looking for Christian prog rock, you should enjoy their new CD. Any clue when the release date will be?
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/5/2008 5:07:22 PM
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Any clue when the release date will be? Mark, According to the official GLASS HAMMER website it is already released and orders are being shipped now. Title of the CD is " Culture Of Ascent" .......featuring Jon Anderson of YES on vocals.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/5/2008 8:20:56 PM
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Any clue when the release date will be? Mark, According to the official GLASS HAMMER website it is already released and orders are being shipped now. Title of the CD is " Culture Of Ascent" .......featuring Jon Anderson of YES on vocals. Thanks for that. Excellent news - I'll be trying to track down a copy soon.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/13/2008 2:35:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: willowcreek 70s christian music jerusalem which is a swedish band considered to be the first hard rock band to actually do christian hard rock rex band sort of like blues meets boston the rambos kind of pop rock second chapter of acts phil collins meets the dobbie brothers as far as style goes more like a poppier version of the maranotha singers petra they got there start in the 70s and there earlier stuff to me anyway was very blues oriented but still pop rock 80s christian music here goes stryper pop bon jovi metal with a lot of screams ala steelheart barren cross a christianised version of iron maiden power metal bloodgood power metal ala judas priest as far as comparisons go with a bit more speedy music sandi patti who i love to this day maria carey meets barbara striesand l arnel harris basically pop music with a lot of stress on vocals steve camp pop rock his earlier stuff sounded a lot like brian adams the man is a good guitar player daniel amos band blues hard rock one of my favorite songs by him was denominational blues ric cua he was formerly with the hard rock group the outlaws from the 70s his music is pretty good if you like 80s music that sounds like free the altar boys they kind of like were the first to venture into new wave type music with a pop rock edge acoustic shack which i think they came out with there first album in 89 so it might be a 90s thing but if you like loreena mckennit type singing with an acoustic pop sound you will love this group esspecially the first album there second album got a bit more pop with less emphasis on acoustic guitar whitecross think of the music of ratt and the singer sounds like the singer of ratt as well but with more emphasis on faster guitar solos in the kingdom is there best album baranabus had a female lead singer they were in the same vein as stryper as far as music goes philadelphia were another hard rock christian group messiah prophet another hard rock christian group vengeance riseing are considered probably the first christian death metal band of the 80s sacrement was a christian speed metal band with more emphasis on death metal at times as far as style goes deliverance probably the best speed metal band out there back in the day haven in the same vein as sandi patti but maybe a bit more pop than her not as much emphasis on the opera type vocal work patti was known for back then of course theres amy grant phil keggy christian pop veil of tears rem meets depache mode with some emphasis on rock guardian the first two albums were rock the rest like swing swang swung went into the alternative grunge type thing god only knows why 90s i hate to admit it but i totally ignored this era of christian music because i dispised the direction musically and lyrically. when every group wonted to sound like nervana or beck but some of the groups that came out werent too bad like savior machine kind of alternative hard rock gethsemany misspelled that one i think they were a power metal band with a female singer cloud 2 ground a band i absolutely adore if you like enigma meets trance meets techno type music the prodical sons another trance techno christian group the lead singer did the nitro praise albums and sang on those alot mciheal sweets solo work is amazeing if you like brian adams meets journey type music his later stuff like truth went back to his hard rock roots but his self titled album michael sweet is very good and his second real you could tell he had a lot of influence from u2 on that one as far as sound goes the song real sounds like a song musically off of the joshua tree king james which is rex carrols group he played guitar for whitecross back in the 80s this group is more like pop rock its very good mortification which is or was in the beginning a christian death metal band that prgressed to more groove thrash metal 2000 and on its getting better now the hard rock groups are comeing back and theres a lot of christian trance and techno bands out there i think you would know this so i hope this list helps i tried to be as diversive as possible not knowing your tastes so i hope it helps How were you able to go through this whole list but unable to include Petra?????
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/13/2008 3:04:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: krazyxsinner Petra was six bands from the top I'm sorry. I completely missed it. However, you do need to list DC Talk in the 90's/00's
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/13/2008 4:01:26 PM
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Hi guys, I thought I'd add a few unless maybe I missed them up the line, how about Third Day, Casting Crowns, Jeremy Camp, Pillar, or Kutless? They each have a very strong message of faith F ocus A ll I nterest T hru H im
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/14/2008 12:20:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: willowcreek 70s christian music jerusalem which is a swedish band considered to be the first hard rock band to actually do christian hard rock rex band sort of like blues meets boston the rambos kind of pop rock second chapter of acts phil collins meets the dobbie brothers as far as style goes more like a poppier version of the maranotha singers petra they got there start in the 70s and there earlier stuff to me anyway was very blues oriented but still pop rock 80s christian music here goes stryper pop bon jovi metal with a lot of screams ala steelheart barren cross a christianised version of iron maiden power metal bloodgood power metal ala judas priest as far as comparisons go with a bit more speedy music sandi patti who i love to this day maria carey meets barbara striesand l arnel harris basically pop music with a lot of stress on vocals steve camp pop rock his earlier stuff sounded a lot like brian adams the man is a good guitar player daniel amos band blues hard rock one of my favorite songs by him was denominational blues ric cua he was formerly with the hard rock group the outlaws from the 70s his music is pretty good if you like 80s music that sounds like free the altar boys they kind of like were the first to venture into new wave type music with a pop rock edge acoustic shack which i think they came out with there first album in 89 so it might be a 90s thing but if you like loreena mckennit type singing with an acoustic pop sound you will love this group esspecially the first album there second album got a bit more pop with less emphasis on acoustic guitar whitecross think of the music of ratt and the singer sounds like the singer of ratt as well but with more emphasis on faster guitar solos in the kingdom is there best album baranabus had a female lead singer they were in the same vein as stryper as far as music goes philadelphia were another hard rock christian group messiah prophet another hard rock christian group vengeance riseing are considered probably the first christian death metal band of the 80s sacrement was a christian speed metal band with more emphasis on death metal at times as far as style goes deliverance probably the best speed metal band out there back in the day haven in the same vein as sandi patti but maybe a bit more pop than her not as much emphasis on the opera type vocal work patti was known for back then of course theres amy grant phil keggy christian pop veil of tears rem meets depache mode with some emphasis on rock guardian the first two albums were rock the rest like swing swang swung went into the alternative grunge type thing god only knows why 90s i hate to admit it but i totally ignored this era of christian music because i dispised the direction musically and lyrically. when every group wonted to sound like nervana or beck but some of the groups that came out werent too bad like savior machine kind of alternative hard rock gethsemany misspelled that one i think they were a power metal band with a female singer cloud 2 ground a band i absolutely adore if you like enigma meets trance meets techno type music the prodical sons another trance techno christian group the lead singer did the nitro praise albums and sang on those alot mciheal sweets solo work is amazeing if you like brian adams meets journey type music his later stuff like truth went back to his hard rock roots but his self titled album michael sweet is very good and his second real you could tell he had a lot of influence from u2 on that one as far as sound goes the song real sounds like a song musically off of the joshua tree king james which is rex carrols group he played guitar for whitecross back in the 80s this group is more like pop rock its very good mortification which is or was in the beginning a christian death metal band that prgressed to more groove thrash metal 2000 and on its getting better now the hard rock groups are comeing back and theres a lot of christian trance and techno bands out there i think you would know this so i hope this list helps i tried to be as diversive as possible not knowing your tastes so i hope it helps Wow. I actually found this post somewhat comical. Bon Jovi is arena rock, Stryper is glam metal. Think Poison or Twisted sister, not Bon Jovi. Iron Maiden is New Wave of British Heavy Metal. Power metal is Dragonforce. Bloodgood is closer to Alice Cooper than Judas Priest, which is also NWOBHM, not power metal. Vengance Rising is not considered one of the first death metal bands. Vegenance is thrash metal. Vengeance, not Vengeance Rising, was the name that their recolutionary album Human Sacrifice was realeased. Mortification started as death with thrash roots, then turned to death, then turned to thrash with death roots, then to full-on thrash, then they softened up, then they went back to death. And by the way, they were the first major Christian death metal band. Scrolls of the Megilloth is an undeniably foundational death metal album, even among secular groups. Groove was never one of their genres. Groove is Pantera and Lamb of God. Groove is vastly different than death, and was the thing that followed thrash in America. Thrash spawned groove here, and death in Europe. As I said, somewhat comical when people are clueless about their metal. In my school, only two people, myself included, have a real grasp on metal at all, and the other one is more into underground acts. So it's usually up to me to correct everyone about metal. You woudn't believe how wrong most Christians are on what metal is period, let alone what kinds of metal. "Metal is satanic and nihilistic" being the usual charge. Which is funny. That's like saying all pop singers sing about sex drugs and alcohol. I'm pretty sure at least two or three don't.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/14/2008 6:06:21 PM
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Bloodgood is closer to Alice Cooper than Judas Priest Really? First, Alice Cooper (both the group and the solo artist) employed several different styles over his / their 30 plus year career. So does Bloodgood resemble "Billion Dollar Babies" Alice Cooper the group, the solo Alice Cooper's late 70s work ("Welcome to My Nightmare", "Goes to Hell", "From the Inside") or perhaps glam parody era Alice ("Trash")? I personally do not think Bloodgood sounds anything like any Alice Cooper I've ever heard but perhaps you're thinking of something I haven't heard. The only remote resemblance is the theatrical flair both have in their music (pick any Alice as an example, Bloodgood's best example would be the trilogy of songs that concludes "Detonation"). Another point I would like to make is that this topic is asking for guidance on some good Christian music. It is not a matching test on what band goes in what sub genre or who is the exact match for who. I have to tell you if I went to somebody and asked for a Christian alternative to Alice Cooper and they said Bloodgood I would be very disappointed when I heard Bloodgood. If I wanted a Christian alternative for Judas Priest and someone suggested Bloodgood I would be less disappointed. I agree that Bloodgood doesn't sound much like Priest (and have said so in this thread) but at least there is more of a resemblance. I see the connection moreso than Alice Cooper (unless you have a particular time frame in mind for Cooper I haven't heard). quote:
Think Poison or Twisted sister, not Bon Jovi. You couldn't think of better glam bands to compare Stryper to? I mean Poison is an OK comparison but Twisted Sister? Twisted Sister is what happens when you base a band on Alice Cooper's 70s rebellion hits ("School's Out, I'm Eighteen and No More Mr. Nice Guy) without any of the theatrical touches and other genres that made Alice Cooper's music compelling and truly shocking as opposed to cheesy teenage rebelliousness (fun though it may have been). I will admit to having trouble finding a match, perhaps Scorpions, Kix or Slaughter? quote:
Vengance Rising is not considered one of the first death metal bands. Vegenance is thrash metal. Vengeance, not Vengeance Rising, was the name that their recolutionary album Human Sacrifice was realeased. You might smack me for this but here goes. The name mishap not withstanding, Vengeance is considered one of the first Christian Death Metal (or "Life Metal") bands. That doesn't mean its true but again, remember the thread's focus. IOW: its a common mistake but the "is considered" makes the statement true albeit the actual assertion (that Vengeance is in fact a death metal band) may be false. Remember you said most people are ignorant about metal. They hear them there "extreme" vocals and just assume its death metal. I still think the post wasn't comical, it was a valiant attempt to give the OP some info on Christian rock. There was some stuff I disagreed with but I've seen worse, believe me. I do commend you on your extensive knowledge of metal though.
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/14/2008 6:15:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: willowcreek 70s christian music j Wow. I actually found this post somewhat comical. Bon Jovi is arena rock, Stryper is glam metal. Think Poison or Twisted sister, not Bon Jovi. Iron Maiden is New Wave of British Heavy Metal. Power metal is Dragonforce. Bloodgood is closer to Alice Cooper than Judas Priest, which is also NWOBHM, not power metal. Vengance Rising is not considered one of the first death metal bands. Vegenance is thrash metal. Vengeance, not Vengeance Rising, was the name that their recolutionary album Human Sacrifice was realeased. Mortification started as death with thrash roots, then turned to death, then turned to thrash with death roots, then to full-on thrash, then they softened up, then they went back to death. And by the way, they were the first major Christian death metal band. Scrolls of the Megilloth is an undeniably foundational death metal album, even among secular groups. Groove was never one of their genres. Groove is Pantera and Lamb of God. Groove is vastly different than death, and was the thing that followed thrash in America. Thrash spawned groove here, and death in Europe. As I said, somewhat comical when people are clueless about their metal. In my school, only two people, myself included, have a real grasp on metal at all, and the other one is more into underground acts. So it's usually up to me to correct everyone about metal. You woudn't believe how wrong most Christians are on what metal is period, let alone what kinds of metal. "Metal is satanic and nihilistic" being the usual charge. Which is funny. That's like saying all pop singers sing about sex drugs and alcohol. I'm pretty sure at least two or three don't. Wow...just wow....
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RE: Christian Music? Help me out! - 3/14/2008 8:20:19 PM
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