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.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/7/2007 7:37:43 PM)

Hey all & HI,,

What can we know about these things and what makes a person fit into what you expect the foretold antichrist to be like in his actions and the events surrounding him.

Is he from the Middle East, Russia, the EU, Rome or the USA. What is spoken and written that lets us see if any of these men mentioned fit the bill, perhaps by looking at these things we can narrow down the list of names and who doesn't fit.

The wound to the head gets raised as one of the factors to identify this man yet is it a physical wound to his actual head or a wound to the Nation or seat that he represents.

The Hollywood version of events would like us to think that a man will get shot, JFK style and somehow he will return back to life claiming to be God or Jesus returned. Yet would we as Christians believe such a thing and follow him as the returned saviour. I would hope not, for we know that the man of sin must be revealed before Christ returns so to have a man claim to be Christ before the man of sin is revealed would seem rather odd and false to say the least.

What if it is not an actual head wound but some other kind of other wound, sometimes the best way to hide something is to have it placed in the open for all to see.

There has only been one wound that has caught the minds of people all around the world and in turn has caused a domino effect on all nations since that time. That event in my eyes was 9/11 and it was a wound that affected not only America, The White House, W but all of us in some way.

W, speech - 11th October 2001- Pentagon.

The hijackers were instruments of evil who died in vain. Behind them is a cult of evil which seeks to harm
the innocent and thrives on human suffering. Theirs is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not
weakened, by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence, pure malice, while daring to claim the authority of
God. We cannot fully understand the designs and power of evil. It is enough to know that evil, like goodness,
exists. And in the terrorists, evil has found a willing servant.

In New York, the terrorists chose as their target a symbol of America's freedom and confidence. Here, they
struck a symbol of our strength in the world. And the attack on the Pentagon, on that day, was more
symbolic than they knew. It was on another September 11th -- September 11th, 1941 -- that construction on
this building first began. America was just then awakening to another menace: The Nazi terror in Europe.



And I give you these commitments. The wound to this building will not be forgotten, but it will be repaired.
Brick by brick, we will quickly rebuild the Pentagon. (Applause.) In the missions ahead for the military, you
will have everything you need, every resource, every weapon -- (applause) -- every means to assure full
victory for the United States and the cause of freedom. (Applause.)




W has spoken of the wound to the Pentagon and the symbolism behind it on the day it was attacked and its outer ring broken.

So it would seem clear that W does fit the bill for the wound as he even mentions it himself in his speech.

The scriptures speak of the wound to its head and the beasts role in this wound.

Rev13

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?



W @ Congress- 20 Septmeber 2001

On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country.
Americans have known wars, but for the past 136 years they have been wars on foreign soil,
except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war, but not at the
center of a great city on a peaceful morning.

Americans have known surprise attacks, but never before on thousands of civilians.

All of this was brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a world
where freedom itself is under attack.

Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking, "Who attacked our country?"


I will not forget the wound to our country and those who inflicted it. I will not yield, I will not
rest, I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people




Rev 13

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless.



.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/7/2007 8:35:19 PM)

Hey All & Hi,,

The scriptures have spoken of the wound and W has stated on a few occasions that 9/11 was a wound to the nation, so if that is the case and we accept that 9/11 was the wound to the head in Rev 13 then what of the second beast.

John explains it as a Lamb with two horns,, or as i see it a false religion . Islam states this & only places Jesus as a Prophet & not the son of God. So it is to be understood as what is spoken of as anitchrist, one that denies the Son also denies the Father that sent him.

If Islam is that beast then, for the wound to be relevant it would also have to be linked to the events of the wound and therefore 9/11. History shows us that this is the case and from the screens of the TV or Internet we have all become witnesses to the messages of Binladn.

When you think about it, all we know of BL is the image that appears now & then to fire up the cause & the war taking place. All we know of BL is the Image that speaks to us and that image has been doing so since 9/11 and the wound that was caused that day.

If BL is that image given by the false religion for the first beast then it has the power to call fire down from above in its presence. Did that not happen on 9/11 when the towers fell after the planes hit them, did not all man see this from around the world live. When the two planes hit there was a fire ball on each occasion and when they fell to the ground the tallest tower and first hit, came down last.

I have a hard time believing that the towers fell to the ground because of a plane hitting them or fire causing the buildings to fail in one hour causing the damage that followed.
No other time in history has a building done such a thing, yet the World Trade Towers 1, 2 & 7 all fell to the ground.

There have been fires and planes hit buildings before this day and after it, yet why on this occasion would such a thing happen not once but three times. The third time a plane was not even involved, just fire,, so they say.

The deception started that day and regardless of what you believe at present, there are some facts that still remain.

There was fire in the sky called down and linked to another religion.

The Towers did fall to the ground a first in history and somewhat suspect as it looked more like a demolition than a collapse.

BL is nothing more than an image that we have seen since that day.

Islam is the false religion behind the words of BL.

In this same chapter we also are told about the mark and his number that we all know as 666. Through wisdom we are able to calculate his name and gain understanding.

So does 9/11 have any links to anything that can be seen as 666.

speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless.



.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/7/2007 8:56:03 PM)

Hey All & Hi,,

Yes it does have a link in many ways to 9/11 , the numbers 666.

It was 60 years since Pearl Harbour was bombed, 1941

It was 60yrs to the day that the outer ring of the Pentagon was hit on 9/11 and the ground was broken for its construction in 1941.

1000 days after 9/11 the world remembered operation Overlord on the 06/06/2004

It was the 60th anniversary of D-Day, on that day 06/06

Venus the morning & evening star made its transit that week across the Sun

The ancient symbol of Venus is the Pentagram, that is made out of a simple pentagon.

The pentagram is an occult symbol representing satan.

The authority of the two beasts comes from the Dragon/ Satan.

The next transit of Venus takes place on the 06/06/2012.

speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless.



SonClad -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/8/2007 5:19:10 PM)

quote:

So it would seem clear that W does fit the bill for the wound as he even mentions it himself in his speech.
The scriptures speak of the wound to its head and the beasts role in this wound.


IC - are you saying W is the AC then? That seems like a real stretch if I'm understanding you correctly.



serine -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/8/2007 8:18:25 PM)

The antichrist is anybody who is against christ

2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV


You may be referring to the beast



.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 7:32:57 AM)

quote:

IC - are you saying W is the AC then? That seems like a real stretch if I'm understanding you correctly.


Hey All & Hi SonClad,,

I'm saying neither here in response to your question as i feel it would be a waste of time saying No or Yes, and that is not what i'm trying to get at here in these posts. What i want to look at is simply if his actions, his words and many other things allow for this to be an option.

I guess its like if you are asked to close your eyes and feel what is in front of you and it has a tail, four legs, barks and licks your face the chances are it is a dog and not a bird, the same applies here.

If we know what must take place and what has been given to us for wisdom in these things, then if by simple deduction certain things fall into place then the chances are your on the right track.

I have mentioned the wound,, if it was just my opinion then it wouldn't be much to go by.

If W, as he had also mentions the wound a few times in speeches then the chances are higher.

i think you get my drift here,,

So if we cross of what he fits and what he doesn't we should then have a better idea if there is a case to be had here. I have seen many posts over the years here saying the Pope is or Solana or a bunch of others are, yet none to date have had a solid foundation to say one way or another.

There are a heap of theories out there and if's, yet none have seemed to be based on a solid fact and event that actually took place or there isn't a cross reference from a range of different angles. Thats what theses posts from me are about.

quote:

That seems like a real stretch if I'm understanding you correctly.


I must ask,, why would such a thing be a real stretch for you?


Tikkun Olam,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless.



.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 8:51:40 AM)

Hey All & Hi,,

So far i have brought to the table 3 points that are linked to W, these are:

The wound, caused on 9/11 & the Pentagon & the USA

Rev 13
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The Image that speaks through a false Prophet/Religion

Rev 13

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The numbers 666

Rev 13
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


All these three things can be linked back to W and what took place on 9/11, and these points can be linked back to scripture about the Beast & little Horn/man of Sin.

While three points aren't much to go by , there are many more to consider and which i hope will be raised for discussion over time. While some points will be stronger than others and some may even not be what you have seen them as before,, yet if it fits it should be considered no matter how small.

A prime example of this would be ,, The 10 horns mentioned in Daniel 7 & in Revelation, in both cases they speak of Kings and for this example it should be shown as a guide post and nothing more.


The only time that a President in this century has been in office more than two terms was FDR. 4 March 1933 to 12 April 1945.
WWII was taking place and Hitler casting his shadow across Europe , in America during 1941 two things happened Pearl Harbour & the Pentagon began being built.

After FDR we have had 10 Presidents over the years and now we have W in office, the 11th.

So far during W in office two of these Presidents have died.

Now we have the basics does any of it fit in the context of the 10 Kings & 10 horns?

If i say to you,, that George Bush is a funny man ,, which one am i speaking about? The 41st or the 43rd? If i say i am speaking of the little one, the answer is made clear that i'm speaking of the younger of the two Georges and therefore, W.

food for thought [sm=icon_smile_fish.gif]


Tikkun Olam,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless



milletics -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 9:14:21 AM)

We all know that Nancy Pelosi is the anti-christ[;)]







It was just a joke!



Judah1966 -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 9:42:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: serine

The antichrist is anybody who is against christ

2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV


You may be referring to the beast

I think this is a great thing to keep in mind many people who profess the faith dont even believe that Jesus is God or give Him that due honor.



joefen -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 3:00:53 PM)

Although I voted for him twice (what were the alternatives??), the thought that W could deceive millions of people is laughable. His charisma is so pathetic at this point, he would be lucky to convince his own mother that he knows what he's doing.

But you guys keep putting up candidates. Maybe your guesses would get better if you actually aligned them with the 4 verses in I and II John that describe what 'antichristos' is (as opposed to what Tim LeHaye and your preacher tells you). So far you're way off.



.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 9:25:34 PM)

Hey All & Hi Joefen,,


quote:

the thought that W could deceive millions of people is laughable.


That's a very good point you have raised here, so lets have a look.

Did Iraq have WMD's?
Was there a link between Sadam & BL?

from the time of 9/11 and the years that followed , how has the answer to this question changed in the minds of your Leaders and the citizens of the nations?

Tikkun Olam,,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless



joefen -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/9/2007 9:56:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey All & Hi Joefen,,


quote:

the thought that W could deceive millions of people is laughable.


That's a very good point you have raised here, so lets have a look.

Did Iraq have WMD's?
Was there a link between Sadam & BL?

from the time of 9/11 and the years that followed , how has the answer to this question changed in the minds of your Leaders and the citizens of the nations?

Tikkun Olam,,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless


Read 1 and 2 John if you want to know what Scripture says about 'antichristos'



Midwest -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/10/2007 2:26:36 PM)

John tells us that there are many antichrists and they were in the world even then. (see 1 Jn2:18, 1Jn2:22, 1Jn4:3 and 2Jn1:7 these are the only 4 verses containing the words antichrist or antichrists) Dan7:23 tells us that beasts are kingdoms. Biblically speaking antichrist are people who don't believe, beast are kingdoms (unless someone can show me scriptural support to change these definitions that the Bible gave us). I believe the leopard bear lion beast of Revelation is a spiritual kindom that arose out of the sea (of people). The identity of that beast is a spiritual kingdom not a physical kingdom (God does not recognize our boundaries). That spiritual kingdom is a combination of three earlier kingdoms that are now linked spiritually through their religion not by government. The leopard was Greece (now Syria/Lebanon), the bear was Medo-Persia (now Iran) and the lion was Babylon (now Iraq). While these countries may have their differences they are united spiritually by their Islamic faith and have been since the first Jihad (Charles Martel dealt a mortal wound to this spiritual kingdom in 732AD at the Battle of Tours in France. Which has since healed that's another subject don't want to get sidetracked). While this beast consists of well over a billion people who are all antichristts, I believe it is a mistake to confuse beast and antichrist are call them the same. By the way what group of people openly claim the number of the beast and what man do they say that number proves? Do a few searches you might be suprised at what you find!



behold -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/10/2007 2:51:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Midwest

By the way what group of people openly claim the number of the beast and what man do they say that number proves? Do a few searches you might be suprised at what you find!


You've already done the searches, yes? What's the answer to the questions please?

FYI: I agree with what you've said regarding "antichrist", as for the other stuff, this aint the right thread to discuss it. PM me if ya like, or open a new thread specifically on the Rev 13 beast. Thanks!



Grateful117 -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/10/2007 11:27:41 PM)

Could the 12th imam be the antichrist?

Here's a youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_H7af26_Gk


and article

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn65/ahmadinejad.htm



everjoyful -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 6:06:26 AM)

http://www.crystalinks.com/papalprophecies.html this link may be of interest to those debating the papal prophesies and end times.
i dont think they knew about the new pope benedict when the information was put on the net.

fascinating reading this thread, so many well thought out posts.! i wish i had something valid to add.

but dont forget, dont dwell on the tribulations and antichrists for too long before remebering that "jesus is coming woohoo!" sorry i had to add that lol. i am sooooo exited.



Sunnymom -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 7:51:07 AM)

I thought the anti-Christ would be from New Jersey.



Restored_Heart -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 8:58:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunnymom

I thought the anti-Christ would be from New Jersey.



Oh sure, go and blame everything on New Jersey... [8D] (everyone else does...)[:D]



Sunnymom -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 9:27:27 AM)

NJ is in the middle of the east coast, ya' know. And Dennis Rodman and Danny Devito are both from NJ. That makes NJ very suspicious.



Restored_Heart -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 9:30:45 AM)

Well, I gotta admit that Jersey smells a bit sulfurish too (just ask NYC)... Brimstone maybe?[;)]



Weird -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 10:04:53 AM)

Silly question... Am I the only one that has looked at a picture of the president of Iran, and had this creepy feeling, and think, "I wonder if he's the antichrist?" My mom did the same thing. She called me into the living room, and said, "Look... who does he look like to you?" I responded with, "The antichrist!" And she said she thought the same thing and at least she wasn't the only one. Seriously... look at his picture and see what you think! Hopefully it's not just me!

Iranian President



happydays -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/11/2007 1:28:09 PM)

quote:

Am I the only one that has looked at a picture of the president of Iran, and had this creepy feeling, and think, "I wonder if he's the antichrist?"


I think he looks like my cousin Larry the crackhead.



theprophetofold -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (1/17/2007 1:06:32 PM)

The anti-christ has been on this earth for centries..He has spoken to Eve..[gen ch 3] he is also alive.. His Spirit is upon the world.. and He is also the God of this world... When he visited Eve his form was not a beast ..he was a man...The mind of the beast he had...His name was Lucifer....When God came into the garden [gen 2-4] Lucifer was cursed and He became the beast..that is his whole mind ,body and soul became evil...His spirit moves upon the earth..this is how he becames Satan...He hates the blood of Yahshua



cybrjewls -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (12/27/2007 11:17:51 AM)

Greetings InChrist! I see that it is written, though, the the beast from earth ruler known as the false prophet worldy messiah: once was, now is not, yet will come and go to his destruction after Great Tribulation Judgments which are decreed are poured out upon the people that follow him. This does not speak, then, to an ethnicity at all and it is evident that he is a spiritual being that has power and authority. I see that it is written the beast that jumps up from the pit kills the two witnesses. Therefore, he is from the bottomless pit and is a spiritual power that fell with lucifer in the rebellion of angels against God. I see that it is written that three nations will be delivered from him during the reigns of the 10 leaders of whom he subdues 3, though. These nations have a promise from God in the Law of Moses, where moses was commanded not to bother their lands as they are their brothers by lineage though the elder Abraham. Among those nations is modern day Jordan who are called a prominent people in Daniel.
quote:

ORIGINAL: IC.InChrist

Hey all & HI,,

What can we know about these things and what makes a person fit into what you expect the foretold antichrist to be like in his actions and the events surrounding him.

Is he from the Middle East, Russia, the EU, Rome or the USA. What is spoken and written that lets us see if any of these men mentioned fit the bill, perhaps by looking at these things we can narrow down the list of names and who doesn't fit.

The wound to the head gets raised as one of the factors to identify this man yet is it a physical wound to his actual head or a wound to the Nation or seat that he represents.

The Hollywood version of events would like us to think that a man will get shot, JFK style and somehow he will return back to life claiming to be God or Jesus returned. Yet would we as Christians believe such a thing and follow him as the returned saviour. I would hope not, for we know that the man of sin must be revealed before Christ returns so to have a man claim to be Christ before the man of sin is revealed would seem rather odd and false to say the least.

What if it is not an actual head wound but some other kind of other wound, sometimes the best way to hide something is to have it placed in the open for all to see.

There has only been one wound that has caught the minds of people all around the world and in turn has caused a domino effect on all nations since that time. That event in my eyes was 9/11 and it was a wound that affected not only America, The White House, W but all of us in some way.

W, speech - 11th October 2001- Pentagon.

The hijackers were instruments of evil who died in vain. Behind them is a cult of evil which seeks to harm
the innocent and thrives on human suffering. Theirs is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not
weakened, by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence, pure malice, while daring to claim the authority of
God. We cannot fully understand the designs and power of evil. It is enough to know that evil, like goodness,
exists. And in the terrorists, evil has found a willing servant.

In New York, the terrorists chose as their target a symbol of America's freedom and confidence. Here, they
struck a symbol of our strength in the world. And the attack on the Pentagon, on that day, was more
symbolic than they knew. It was on another September 11th -- September 11th, 1941 -- that construction on
this building first began. America was just then awakening to another menace: The Nazi terror in Europe.



And I give you these commitments. The wound to this building will not be forgotten, but it will be repaired.
Brick by brick, we will quickly rebuild the Pentagon. (Applause.) In the missions ahead for the military, you
will have everything you need, every resource, every weapon -- (applause) -- every means to assure full
victory for the United States and the cause of freedom. (Applause.)




W has spoken of the wound to the Pentagon and the symbolism behind it on the day it was attacked and its outer ring broken.

So it would seem clear that W does fit the bill for the wound as he even mentions it himself in his speech.

The scriptures speak of the wound to its head and the beasts role in this wound.

Rev13

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?



W @ Congress- 20 Septmeber 2001

On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country.
Americans have known wars, but for the past 136 years they have been wars on foreign soil,
except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war, but not at the
center of a great city on a peaceful morning.

Americans have known surprise attacks, but never before on thousands of civilians.

All of this was brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a world
where freedom itself is under attack.

Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking, "Who attacked our country?"


I will not forget the wound to our country and those who inflicted it. I will not yield, I will not
rest, I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people




Rev 13

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
yours In Christ.

God Bless.



.IC. -> RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East (12/28/2007 7:40:52 PM)

Hey All & Hi Prophetica,,


Welcome to the forums.

It is almost a year since i did write these things, infact i had forgotten about this post. Thanks for the rewind!!!

Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,

God Bless



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