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G-d or God? - 1/17/2007 11:39:05 AM
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just curious: for those of you who write G-d as opposed to God, why do you do it? not that i have an issue with it -- i understand it as a cultural, religious and strategic choice -- i'm just curious as to why people choose to write his name in that fashion...
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/17/2007 12:17:35 PM
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just curious: for those of you who write G-d as opposed to God, why do you do it? not that i have an issue with it -- i understand it as a cultural, religious and strategic choice -- i'm just curious as to why people choose to write his name in that fashion...
I'm not sure why they do it. Originally, the Hebrew writings of the OT scriptures were contained no vowels. That was the nature of their alphabet. Later, vowel markings were added, but by then there were changes in language that made some of the vowel markings uncertain.
So, whenever we see words like Adonai, Jehovah, Yahweh (or whatever); they were written only with the consonants. The Jews, were to some extent, superstitious about writing the entire name of God (Yahweh). I suspect that people these days have adapted that convention out of respect for God--but following that tradition--but not for the same reason.
Properly speaking, "God" is not His name. It is derived from whatever etymological roots come down in the English language.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/17/2007 1:36:09 PM
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Hee-hee! I think we should have a thread that appears about every 6 weeks to explain this, then it just goes away!! I'll talk to G-d about that!
Okay. Just kidding.
I do it out of respect the The Name and out of love for Messiah. Sometimes, tradition makes good sense.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/17/2007 3:37:08 PM
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well, just so's ya know, the thread in question was prompted by this:
If you are a Christian, don't write "G-d." Just don't. I know why you're doing it, you know why you're doing it, but seriously: just don't. Stop, and don't. You're just confusing the people who don't get it and irritating everyone else. Writing "G-d" instead of "God" when you're not Jewish [is stupid - my paraphrase. the language here is a bit...kvetchy]...
His name isn't God. His name never was God. I know you think you're continuing the Jewish practice of not uttering or even writing the vowels of the Divine Name, but what you're doing is the rough equivalent of a Jewish person never writing the vowels to Adonai, Elohim, or any of the other names that are spoken and are uttered every day in Jewish life. Heck, "Adonai" is even used, spoken, and written as a substitute for the unspeakable, unwritable Divine Name. If you can say and write the vowels in Adonai, you can probably say and write the vowel in "God," which is nothing more than a Germanic word for a pagan god that was appropriated into Germanic languages for the Christian deity. So please, please please please: stop writing "G-d."
and this:
...[T]he difference between the Jewish tradition and [this] Christian fad is that the Jewish tradition developed over centuries and was incorporated into the actual faith. If every Judaic custom, tradition, and practice that was adopted or appropriated from another culture was abandoned, you'd have almost nothing left in Judaism. (In fact, most recognizably Christian traditions would be abandoned as well.) There's an enormous difference between the Judaic practice and tradition of not uttering the Divine Name and the Christian fad of writing "G-d." While tradition itself may be nothing more than "fad + time" (or "superstition + time"), my real irritation with Christians writing "G-d" is the fetishization of Judaism within many segments of American Protestantism.
The bottom line for me is that the Jewish faith has always held a special reverence for the Divine Name of God. You might argue, "So does the Christian faith!," but there's nothing in the Christian tradition that resembles the Jewish reverence/cautiousness/anxiety toward the Hebrew word "YHWH," if only because the Hebrew language is not a central component of the Christian tradition and its connection to God. The Christian relationship to language itself is unique and complicated, and very different than the Hebrew; we receive the words of Jesus second hand and through translation (Aramaic/Hebrew/Greek to Greek), and most of us receive the words of Jesus through a translation of a translation (A/H/G to Greek to Latin, and via Latin or Greek to all our common languages). There is a detachment from language and a distancing from language within Christianity even as metaphors of language (e.g., "the Word") are used to described Christ himself. Language operates as a powerful, spiritual metaphor in Christianity; but in Judaism (as in the Hebrew Bible), the Name is often the Thing itself, with the gap between signifier and signified totally collapsed. While this may also occur within Christianity to some extent, it is hardly comparable to the extent it occurs within Judaism. This was true prior to the Babylonian exile, and the adoption of Assyrian "superstitions" can be viewed as the logical extension of Hebraic attitudes toward language and words that were already evident and developed in the Hebrew Bible itself.
As for Jewish people in the Anglophone world who write "G-d": while it may seem equally silly for English-speaking Jewish people to write "G-d" as for Christians (because, as I said, it's not like "God" is the even close to the Divine Name), I think the practice was picked up by many English-speaking Jewish people not because they confused the English word "God" with "YHWH," but because they wanted to extend the tradition of honoring the Divine Name by not enunciating its vowels into their everyday life and everyday faith. It was a legitimate Jewish tradition of which they wanted to partake, and this gave them a means to do it. Christianity really has no such tradition, and it was only adopted by Christians who were appropriating Jewish practices into their faith. In short, you have Christians who view Judaism as a metaphor of a more "authentic" relationship to God and the Bible, and who then fetishize and adopt Jewish practices. Thus, when a Jewish person does it, it's understandable; when a Christian does it, it's irritating.
to which i replied:
anyway. why i decided to use G-d, eh? well, it's really as much as literary device as anything - but it's not an unthinking or insignificant one. when i was working as a finishing carpenter about 10/12 years ago, i did a number of bookcase installations/ basement refurbishments in some homes of the orthodox jewish community. despite being goyim. in several homes, i noticed newsletters riddled with "G-d". intrigued, i did some research on the use of the literary device and it really resonated with me. so i began to use it, recognizing it as a literary device, but one with intention and meaning. something small (the simple omission of a letter) yet significant (referencing the holiness of G-d) was something i wanted to acknowledge.
i understand the conflation of sign and signifier in this instance - it's an interesting aspect of hebrew thought and language (the name is the person is their character; it's almost magickal) - and that idea serves as well for this usage as the tetragrammaton or whatever. if the point is to acknowledge what the word references. so it may not be THE NAME, but it is a name that has some measure of currency. it may be true that the word "God" is derived from a pagan deity but we understand in this case what it is used to refer to. context is everything, isn't it?
further, what appealed to me was the acknowledgement that the name/person is holy and that there should be some care taken in the use of his name. not to make a law out of it. it is a choice. fetishization? bah! christian fad? in what century? i certainly haven't noticed it in numbers resembling faddishness. authenticity? hmm (though in this day and age, with appropriation and colonization and various other -tions, be careful little academics what you do...). i never thought of this little literary subversion as being a way of legitimizing the jewishness (i.e. roots) of my christian faith - it simply made sense to me from a conceptual standpoint, especially as i think we do not respect the power of words sufficiently, whether spoken or written. somehow, physically "lessen-ing" the written name added importance, which would in turn increase reverance for his name and, natch, THE LORD himself.
just so you understand the context that generated this question. i guess i'm hoping for something more in-depth and considered.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/17/2007 5:46:46 PM
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I use G-d because when reading about why some did it I felt convicted of using G-d's name in vain. Since I began using G-d I have found that I am less likely to take His name in vain in my casual conversation, which is a bad habit that I picked up many years ago. I have also noticed that since I started studying the Torah more in order to understand the Gospel message, the moral precepts that Messiah taught become much more clear and the commandments- including not taking G-d's name in vain- become a joyful thing rather than something burdensome, as long as I use the teaching in the Torah properly.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/17/2007 10:10:12 PM
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Techne -- Your very long post is very hard for an old lady with bad eyesight to read! Can you give it to me in fewer words, with paragraphing, and without so much italicizing?  G-d bless you!
Oh, and also, whom are you quoting?
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 10:44:18 AM
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okay. the person with whom i am engaged in conversation will remain nameless. here is the first comment they made.
If you are a Christian, don't write "G-d." Just don't. I know why you're doing it, you know why you're doing it, but seriously: just don't. Stop, and don't. You're just confusing the people who don't get it and irritating everyone else. Writing "G-d" instead of "God" when you're not Jewish [is stupid - my paraphrase. the language here is a bit...kvetchy]...
His name isn't God. His name never was God. I know you think you're continuing the Jewish practice of not uttering or even writing the vowels of the Divine Name, but what you're doing is the rough equivalent of a Jewish person never writing the vowels to Adonai, Elohim, or any of the other names that are spoken and are uttered every day in Jewish life. Heck, "Adonai" is even used, spoken, and written as a substitute for the unspeakable, unwritable Divine Name. If you can say and write the vowels in Adonai, you can probably say and write the vowel in "God," which is nothing more than a Germanic word for a pagan god that was appropriated into Germanic languages for the Christian deity. So please, please please please: stop writing "G-d."
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 10:46:24 AM
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and then they said this:
...[T]he difference between the Jewish tradition and [this] Christian fad is that the Jewish tradition developed over centuries and was incorporated into the actual faith. If every Judaic custom, tradition, and practice that was adopted or appropriated from another culture was abandoned, you'd have almost nothing left in Judaism. (In fact, most recognizably Christian traditions would be abandoned as well.) There's an enormous difference between the Judaic practice and tradition of not uttering the Divine Name and the Christian fad of writing "G-d." While tradition itself may be nothing more than "fad + time" (or "superstition + time"), my real irritation with Christians writing "G-d" is the fetishization of Judaism within many segments of American Protestantism.
The bottom line for me is that the Jewish faith has always held a special reverence for the Divine Name of God. You might argue, "So does the Christian faith!," but there's nothing in the Christian tradition that resembles the Jewish reverence/cautiousness/anxiety toward the Hebrew word "YHWH," if only because the Hebrew language is not a central component of the Christian tradition and its connection to God. The Christian relationship to language itself is unique and complicated, and very different than the Hebrew; we receive the words of Jesus second hand and through translation (Aramaic/Hebrew/Greek to Greek), and most of us receive the words of Jesus through a translation of a translation (A/H/G to Greek to Latin, and via Latin or Greek to all our common languages). There is a detachment from language and a distancing from language within Christianity even as metaphors of language (e.g., "the Word") are used to described Christ himself. Language operates as a powerful, spiritual metaphor in Christianity; but in Judaism (as in the Hebrew Bible), the Name is often the Thing itself, with the gap between signifier and signified totally collapsed. While this may also occur within Christianity to some extent, it is hardly comparable to the extent it occurs within Judaism. This was true prior to the Babylonian exile, and the adoption of Assyrian "superstitions" can be viewed as the logical extension of Hebraic attitudes toward language and words that were already evident and developed in the Hebrew Bible itself.
As for Jewish people in the Anglophone world who write "G-d": while it may seem equally silly for English-speaking Jewish people to write "G-d" as for Christians (because, as I said, it's not like "God" is the even close to the Divine Name), I think the practice was picked up by many English-speaking Jewish people not because they confused the English word "God" with "YHWH," but because they wanted to extend the tradition of honoring the Divine Name by not enunciating its vowels into their everyday life and everyday faith. It was a legitimate Jewish tradition of which they wanted to partake, and this gave them a means to do it. Christianity really has no such tradition, and it was only adopted by Christians who were appropriating Jewish practices into their faith. In short, you have Christians who view Judaism as a metaphor of a more "authentic" relationship to God and the Bible, and who then fetishize and adopt Jewish practices. Thus, when a Jewish person does it, it's understandable; when a Christian does it, it's irritating.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 10:54:05 AM
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to which i replied:
anyway. why i decided to use G-d, eh? well, it's really as much as literary device as anything - but it's not an unthinking or insignificant one. when i was working as a finishing carpenter about 10/12 years ago, i did a number of bookcase installations/ basement refurbishments in some homes of the orthodox jewish community. despite being goyim. in several homes, i noticed newsletters riddled with "G-d". intrigued, i did some research on the use of the literary device and it really resonated with me. so i began to use it, recognizing it as a literary device, but one with intention and meaning. something small (the simple omission of a letter) yet significant (referencing the holiness of G-d) was something i wanted to acknowledge.
i understand the conflation of sign and signifier in this instance - it's an interesting aspect of hebrew thought and language (the name is the person is their character; it's almost magickal) - and that idea serves as well for this usage as the tetragrammaton or whatever. if the point is to acknowledge what the word references. so it may not be THE NAME, but it is a name that has some measure of currency. it may be true that the word "God" is derived from a pagan deity but we understand in this case what it is used to refer to. context is everything, isn't it?
further, what appealed to me was the acknowledgement that the name/person is holy and that there should be some care taken in the use of his name. not to make a law out of it. it is a choice. fetishization? bah! christian fad? in what century? i certainly haven't noticed it in numbers resembling faddishness. authenticity? hmm (though in this day and age, with appropriation and colonization and various other -tions, be careful little academics what you do...). i never thought of this little literary subversion as being a way of legitimizing the jewishness (i.e. roots) of my christian faith - it simply made sense to me from a conceptual standpoint, especially as i think we do not respect the power of words sufficiently, whether spoken or written. somehow, physically "lessen-ing" the written name added importance, which would in turn increase reverance for his name and, natch, THE LORD himself.
just so you understand the context that generated this question. i guess i'm hoping for something more in-depth and considered i.e. historically and theologically grounded as to why people use G-d as opposed to God.
The essential point of all this is that if the issue is speaking THE NAME, "God" isn't his name. So why bother? i think it does make more sense to write YHWH than G-d, as "God" is simply a referent that is found in many cultures outside of judaism. which i guess begs the question: what is God's name? he has given us a whole pile of 'names' that we can use to represent various aspects of his character (and i recognize that in jewish thought one's name=one's character, which is why naming was so important in their culture). so that's where it's at. hope that helps.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 12:13:54 PM
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Ah! Thank you, Techne. Thank you!
Now, I see that the writer is writing to Christians. I also see that the writer is making recommendation (rather, commands) to them regarding how they are to respond to G-d. I do not write that in derision; this is simply how I take what he has written.
Well, this is how I see the writer's advice: What the writer has forgotten is that Hebrews were commanded not only to protect the Word but also to teach the Word to the world, showing them how to live and teaching what is right and wrong. This was a command from HaShem, not tradition. Hebrew tradition initially saw this as their work; only later did some decide to keep the Word for themselves, like a treasure hidden away. G-d never withdrew that command. It remains the Hebrews' job to teach the world how to honor His Name and His Word.
Therefore, for the writer to tell Christians, "Don't honor G-d by learning from us the ways to honor His Name (which includes the ways to honor His Word)" is in grave error, because it goes against what G-d said the Hebrews are to do. They should look upon a Christian who has made this choice as an element of their success in doing what HaShem said they are to do: teaching the world how to honor His Name! Hebrews who wish to keep their knowledge, understandings, and traditions to themselves are not only doing G-d a disservice; they are going against the commandments of G-d.
Had the Hebrews done a better job of teaching Christians in modern times, and had Christians listened to them, we would not have so many Christians verbally missusing the English words that represent His Name in the Western world. For example, it is common for Christians to say such things as "Oh lord," "My god," and using the name, "Jesus" as an epithet. There likely would have also been less missuse of His Name in their actions: saying they are believers but acting like the world.
Oh, don't get me wrong -- the separation of synagogue and church has a 1900-year-old history. The church walked away from the Hebrew believers, shaking the dust from their feet, just a short time after the Resurrection, taking up Greek ways. They told the Hebrews to get lost, to stay out of their newly-formed traditions. They wanted nothing to do with Hebrews, who were being both taxed and murdered for worshiping on Sabbath and for doing the biblical commanded festivals. This went on for centuries, instigated and encouraged by various "saints" and others. No wonder the Hebrews lost heart! Christians would not listen, and they were dying for just doing, not just for teaching!
There is no command that says, "Don't write My Name without the vowels," and we all know why it is done, but this is the bottom line: no one has the right to tell a Christian or anyone else, "Don't honor G-d."
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 1:40:37 PM
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well, knowing the speaker, i believe that they do want to honour G-d. their main point of contention is that the word "God" is a later word that doesn't even really connect with THE NAME. "God", in fact, is not his name. Adonai, Yahweh, YHVH Tsidkenu and so on are more specific and relevant to naming. while we may know who we're referring to when we say "God", for the most part the term can be applied to many other [false] gods. the term "God" does not specifically refer to (i'm assuming here) our G-d. i would think that any number of biblical names is more relavant, and even the english transliteration/ equivalency is really substituting "God" for Adonai, or whatever else. i also believe that they see it as a hebrew/ jewish cultural expression, and as such can't simply be appropriated by gentile christians.
which leads to another question: how does one then hallow his name? isn't dropping an anglicized "o" really irrelevant? could you elaborate on why this small gesture is important (or perhaps it is important because the attitude extends to even the smallest gesture)? or is it? what matter if we drop an "o" if we live profanely?
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 2:55:20 PM
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Not only did the Hebrews omit the vowels from their designation of God, but they omitted vowels from ALL words.
And if it were important to write God's name without vowel markings, why didn't the Greek writers of the NT do that? They used the name for God that was common to the Greek speakers: Theos, which included vowels.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/18/2007 3:37:43 PM
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This "tradition" is one of the Pharisee tradition.
You will find their commands in the "oral torah."
The "written torah" commands us to use God's name.
In some verses, the "written" word uses Jehovah,
but those holding to the "oral" use the word Adonai instead.
Which changes the actual meaning of the text a lot.
This answer may be just as confusing as the question if you
aren't acquainted with the differences in meaning of "written or oral torah."
I find most don't even know what "torah" is.
Hope that helps the confusion. LOL.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/19/2007 12:40:38 AM
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which leads to another question: how does one then hallow his name? isn't dropping an anglicized "o" really irrelevant? could you elaborate on why this small gesture is important (or perhaps it is important because the attitude extends to even the smallest gesture)? or is it? what matter if we drop an "o" if we live profanely?
In my personal opinion, which is backed by Scripture, we hallow His Name by doing what He says, by doing what He did, and by honoring Him verbally as well. As far as "'dropping an anglicized 'o,'" that is just one of the many ways I choose to honor and hallow His Name.
I love the L-rd. I just love Him. That love for Him has taken me down a path in which my fellow worshipers traditionally go to great lengths to honor His Name, and this is one of them. Initially, it was mere tradition to me, but recently, I have had a -- what shall we call it?  -- reeducation in who He is. This "tradition" took on new meaning for me. Now, I use this manner of writing out of love, respect, awe for Him.
You wrote, quote:
what matter if we drop an "o" if we live profanely? Exactly. So it is important to live as we can through His power.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/21/2007 1:34:40 AM
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In my personal opinion, which is backed by Scripture, . . .
Okay! Wow! Now we all know it: Scripture backs ME, rather than my backing Scripture. Uh-huh!
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/21/2007 3:53:58 PM
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I think its a nice way to show reverance when you wish to write G-D instead of writing it "God".
does this have the same thinking as when people insist on calling Him Yhwh? theres a whole bunch of people that insiste that Yhwh is the ONLY way (making G-D and GOD wrong)
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/21/2007 6:01:18 PM
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People will think all kinds of things about the Name, Ima_Christian -- it all just depends upon their attitudes, what they already know or think the know, etc. Personally, I don't think anyone knows how to pronounce the Name, YHVH, but there are people who think they know. Odd, because Hebrew scholars have said/written for centuries that the actual pronunciation was lost long, long ago. I believe them, because of what Israel has gone through historically, the long "disappearance" of the priesthood, etc.
With regard to the Name, I would like to give G-d the same respect I give myself and others plus so much more. Knowing how His Name was so carefully given, how Israel so carefully guarded it historically, the uses of the gods' names, and how possessive people (including myself) are of their own given names, out of that respect, I will not even attempt to pronounce it.
I think most adults understand that "G-d" and "L-rd" are not His Names but titles representing who He is. But in the States, they are used as His Names. For myself, in order to further honor Him, I will continue to write these titles as I do now. I know it can be irritating to some, but when I stand to give an account of myself before the Judgment Seat, the only one sitting in that Seat will be my G-d.
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"Ladies and gentlemen, there are things that you will only be able to learn by the weakest among us, and when you snuff them out, you are the one that loses." ~~Gianna Jesson, 1977 LA, CA, saline abortion survivor
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/11/2008 12:11:12 PM
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ac1
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I ditn read all of the explamations. but I think this is really silly. Doesnt it say in the beginning...GOD! When I saw G-d I thought someone was using the Lords name in vain. I doubt God cares how you adress him as long as it;s with your heart and respectful.
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/11/2008 4:34:34 PM
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FadedGlory
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ac1
I ditn read all of the explamations. but I think this is really silly. Doesnt it say in the beginning...GOD! When I saw G-d I thought someone was using the Lords name in vain. I doubt God cares how you adress him as long as it;s with your heart and respectful.
That is what I was just about to say, I'm sure God doesn't care whether you say G-d or God. Does it really matter? No, I don't think so. Like ac1 said, as long as you're respectful, I don't think He cares.
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"Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:18
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RE: G-d or God? - 1/11/2008 10:00:52 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Abiyah
"Ladies and gentlemen, there are things that you will only be able to learn by the weakest among us, and when you snuff them out, you are the one that loses." ~~Gianna Jesson, 1977 LA, CA, saline abortion survivor
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RE: G-d or God? - 8/27/2008 10:06:18 PM
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AboundinginHisGrace
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Taking the Lord's name in vain is not adding the O to God. It is using His name irreverently. Not adding the O is just a tradition that really has no scriptural backing, but if you feel led to not write the O in God then don't, I just do not understand why.
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RE: G-d or God? - 8/28/2008 9:00:29 AM
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