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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/25/2009 4:48:08 PM
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DougHorton
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I didn't note any sarcasm in it, although I don't think the writer fully understands the subject. (No surprise there!)
What is new about the new Calvinism is the attention it is getting because the churches that are sticking to solid theology are surviving where others are starving from a diet of baby food (or worse).
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/25/2009 5:22:22 PM
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What is new about the new Calvinism is the attention it is getting because the churches that are sticking to solid theology are surviving where others are starving from a diet of baby food (or worse).
yep...absolutely
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/30/2009 8:02:38 PM
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Hey Doug:
preciate the dig up of the article, thanks
Yea, the author sounds like a ticked off arminian...or maybe just a researcher who could care less about Calvin or sound theology.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/31/2009 9:18:52 AM
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I definitly didn't get the impression that it was a ticked off arminian. They weren't in favor of it but I thought it sounded more disinterested with a touch of the usual secular abhorrence of what sovereignty "must" mean for free will. In short, surprisingly unbiased considering the venue.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/31/2009 12:23:54 PM
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John Armstrong blogged on the article HERE.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/31/2009 2:03:43 PM
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Hi all,
I'm considering attending a Theology conf. by the White Horse Inn (Michael Horton). Has anyone ever been to one of these conferences? Is it worthwhile to go? Thanks
Rick
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/31/2009 6:10:19 PM
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Never been, but if it's anything like the podcast, it must be worthwhile.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/31/2009 6:48:55 PM
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John Armstrong blogged on the article HERE.
Until today I'm not sure I have heard of John Armstrong. I have a couple of beefs with his blog post.
(Preface: I could care less about Time magazine and I (still) have no idea what a "neo-calvinist" is.)
Armstrong says:
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The last line is most definitely not faithful to the confessional realities of historical Calvinism but rather to the common and popular misunderstandings of the doctrinal system this label represents. This paragraph plainly equates Calvinism with fatalism, not with wholistic and healthy Reformed confessionalism.
... the referenced "last line" was (I presume): "predestination: the belief that before time's dawn, God decided whom he would save (or not), unaffected by any subsequent human action or decision"
While I agree with Armstrong's overall point that this is a "half truth"... in Time's defense, there is no mention of "fatalism" in that line (or in the paragraph, which also mentions a "micromanaging deity"). What do Reformed believe? We in fact do believe that before the dawn of time, God decided unconditionally who would be His. And when you factor in the fall, "who would be His" becomes "who would be saved". The Time article says that this decision by God (about whom to save) is "unaffected by" any subsequent human action or decision. And indeed it is. Nothing we do, or do not do, changes God's election.
That said, the Time article is guilty of confounding "election" with "predestination". Predestination is God's providential ensuring that the elect will all make it through and he will lose none. The choice he made, however, is not predestination, but election. But Time isn't getting into HOW people are saved. It's just talking about how God chooses WHO is saved. And in that regard, it is accurate.
Perhaps Armstrong is a little squeamish about his own doctrines? (I gather he's a Calvinist). Or perhaps he's just expecting "the usual fare" from non-calvinists and reading into the article. But I don't see it in the Time article if the words are taken at face value.
Armstrong also takes issue with Mohler's quote. Mohler said, ""The moment someone begins to define God's [being or actions] biblically, that person is drawn to conclusions that are traditionally classified as Calvinist."
Armstrong retorts, "(Really? If this were so why then do so many with a genuinely classcial and high view of God, such as Roman Catholics and the Orthodox, not embrace what we call Calvinism?)"
Huh? There is a difference between "defining God biblically" and "having a high view of God". I note that while the groups Armstrong mentions do have a "high view" of God, they themselves will readily admit that they do not "define God" based solely on the Bible, but employ their respective traditions in the mix as well. [Note: This is not intended to be a forbidden "Catholic discussion"... I'm talking about Armstrong's conclusions here.]
I realize that Armstrong's topic was not "the Time article"... but rather, "neo-calvinism"... which he apparently abhors.
After reading the article, I still have no idea what "neo-calvinism" really is, other than Armstrong dropping a few names and claiming it is "a mixture of modernity and puritanism." ... whatever that means.
And honestly, I have listened to quite a few sermons by John Piper, and I have never once heard him mention "doubting God's grace in your life"-- something that was apparently drilled into Armstrong during his years as a "neo-calvinist".
I'm afraid I just don't buy it. ... or get it. Sounds to me like Armstrong just got into a bad church and is scarred and bitter about it. It also sounds a little bit like Armstrong is in his own "small church" that he complains about at the end of the article.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/13/2009 5:06:24 PM
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What a cool, hidden gem this thread is!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/13/2009 9:16:53 PM
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Shema!!!!
I didn't know you didn't know about this thread! I'm glad you're here.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/13/2009 9:49:19 PM
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u guys are reformed?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/13/2009 11:18:53 PM
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Hi, Shallbe! If I'd ever heard of this thread before, the knowledge of it got buried somewhere deep. Thanks to Eutychus for showing me a place to speak safely. :)
Hi, Rosie! Yep, We're both reformed. You?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/17/2009 2:45:18 PM
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Hey folks,
I had a problem logging in for a long time. Did anybody else?
A piece of news....I'm getting married in June!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/17/2009 4:07:05 PM
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Hey folks,
I had a problem logging in for a long time. Did anybody else?
A piece of news....I'm getting married in June!
Congrats!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/18/2009 11:25:34 AM
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Congragulations Jared, Thanks for stopping in to let us know. Blessings to you both.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/18/2009 1:35:10 PM
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RosieCotton
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Missed this reply, sorry~ lol
Yes, i am as well.
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Hi, Shallbe! If I'd ever heard of this thread before, the knowledge of it got buried somewhere deep. Thanks to Eutychus for showing me a place to speak safely. :)
Hi, Rosie! Yep, We're both reformed. You?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/21/2009 9:58:10 AM
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quote:
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Hey folks,
I had a problem logging in for a long time. Did anybody else?
A piece of news....I'm getting married in June!
Congratulations!
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 4/24/2009 7:03:37 PM
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Congratulations, Jared!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/1/2009 11:39:11 PM
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Just as a side-bar mention. I attend a calvary chapel but my pastor knows I am a card carrying 5 pointer, I dont preach calvin, I preach the scriptures, I dont preach chuck smith I preach the scriptures. What I interpret the scriptures to mean is condusive to alignment with reformed theology. I told my pastor that is what I believe and I stand by that. We have an agreement...We both love Jesus and we both preach the gospel according to our conscience.
QUESTION TO ALL.....
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/2/2009 7:08:46 PM
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Good afternoon. I noticed previously that you were discussing Mark Driscoll. There's another thread elsewhere devoted to him and his church, if I'm not mistaken, but I'm curious what just the reformed--i.e., y'all--think about him...is he really a Calvinist? What's Mars Hill Church like? etc.
Any and all comments welcomed and appreciated. Thank you!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/4/2009 1:52:01 PM
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He is reformed.
You can listen to several sermons online at Mars Hill Church, Seattle, WA.
I like him - he calls men to be men - highly unpopular today, even among women. But he takes away their weiny excuses and sometimes to a woman's ears, it seems a little too harsh. My husband assures me that men need to be smacked a little to get the message.
He can be a little rough around the edges, but I really like him.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/4/2009 2:00:02 PM
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Good afternoon. I noticed previously that you were discussing Mark Driscoll. There's another thread elsewhere devoted to him and his church, if I'm not mistaken, but I'm curious what just the reformed--i.e., y'all--think about him...is he really a Calvinist? What's Mars Hill Church like? etc.
Any and all comments welcomed and appreciated. Thank you!
I've heard a number of his sermons and he certainly seems to fall within the Reformed camp.
In fact, a good sampling of his teaching can be found at Monergism.com
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