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RE: Are you sure? - 5/8/2007 11:34:00 PM
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If you read those 2 passages you know that the first one refers to false prophets. The second one certainly does not refer to christians that have stumbled a little, but unbelievers. Yes I'm certain of my salvation and hope everyone else here is too. Why do you ask this question, and why are you having doubts (if you are)?
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 12:09:59 AM
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Hi IMA,
Please, could you tell us what kind of Church you are attending? The reason I’m asking is that you should be getting the support that you need from the congregation of your Church. A true Church that lives by the word of God would offer you the fellowship and love you need to maintain your faith, of course you have to confess your plight and ask for help. It’s difficult for a Christian to maintain their focus when they are without the fellowship of others in Christ.
I guess the reason I’m asking is that you said you were getting along better when attending another Church.
Also if the present Church has a small group ministry, this is something you might want to think about because you can get the fellowship you need inside that framework.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 1:22:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
you mean to say that all this is a trial?
if so, i sure didn't think about that.
Unless its that other thing - discipline!! either is torture!
trials are usually there to weed out junk, purify one's soul, get stronger, etc.
this is a trial????
oh man!!!!! well that thought makes me feel bettet! that im not such a chirstian loser which i was feeling like.
thank ya!
im sure it's just a trial or tribulation IMA_CHRISTIAN
and what sparkleingsnow said.. we are here to lift you up and not put you down..
i wasnt afraid as i said in my testimony on here.
but God will use you for the better of what is happening right now for you and he will draw you ever closer to him.
He always turns the worse into the best.
God Bless!
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 11:25:22 AM
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Jeffreyelijah
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I posted this not to deny anyone's faith, but so you might look inside. So I ask another question here, how did you come to Jesus? (<---kind of a trick question.) You did not in fact come to Him, but He came to you. As being born, you once were not, then you were, as with being born again, it is something to be seen, and wondered about by the world that surrounds you. I do not believe it is in an alter call, nor a sinners prayer. For the change was so radical in my life that the world saw, and thought I'd lost my mind, as with Paul. So I ponder, how many believe they know Him because of an act they did? It was about nothing I did, but it was all Him, and His work. Peace,
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 12:56:50 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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Please, could you tell us what kind of Church you are attending? The reason I’m asking is that you should be getting the support that you need from the congregation of your Church. A true Church that lives by the word of God would offer
Bob, i wish i could tell ya that i belong to one church - but whatever is my problem, I've been searching, this could be a good thing in that I get to see for myself the wide world of churches. but after all my traveling I have narrowed it down to 4 -
an Assembly of God (actually two of them depending on where i am on sunday)
a Pentecostal (when I feel like hearing some good gospel music and hear a strong Word of God and be part of that group
an Episcopal little chapel weekdays when I want to be in a small group (for some reason its very sweet and cozy)
now i know these all sound like crazy reasons, but thers something valuable i get from each of these,, now before you shoot me for going to the Pentecostal (jesus only). I do go once in a while and I know where to draw the line and they dont bring up those issues during service, so its safe to go sometimes. ironically they have the strongest teachings (it is not jesus-only teachings).
so I've settled on these, but my main church will be the Assembly of God in the northern suburb by me. and during the week if I want a close-by bible study, Im going to the Methodist church where they have midweek bible study (or I could go to the Baptist one that has Wedneday bible study too). The reason for these is that they are within 4 blocks of my house and after work I need to go to a close place where I dont have to drive to the AOG in the suburbs.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 1:19:32 PM
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Jeffrey - that sounds like the calvinists, and in this case I hope it is true. that means that my lost feeling comes not from Jesus.
I went to lunch and came back thinking of what I just wrote.. i know it sounds strange going to all those places, but I just recently in the past month and a half did find that good AOG church in the suburbs, I missed the last 2 sundays because of getting messed up but i want to go back there.. and then i have these very close churches if i want something right quick ,, but i have a reason not to make them my official church.. they have the type of service where you just listen. i have to confess that I tend to get sleepy and bored if I cant participate. I get restless and if its too quiet and serene its hard to take. i got scared of the pentecostal church in general because sometimes it can go way over the top, but i have found that the Assembly of God is usually pentecostal, but not over the top, and you can participate. so im going to go back there this sunday. I think maybe when i get settled i dont have to run all over town, but i do like a few that I visited and would like to maybe go there sometimes, but who knows, now that I found a place that I can like, it maybe that I will go there more, maybe even make the drive during the week. but in an emergency i can catch the cozy Episcopal chapel that is so sweet and I get something out of it.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 2:00:43 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN - Sounds good to me. There's nothing wrong with going to more than one place and getting something different from each "body".
Jeffreyelijah - Hi. The Lord draws us, yes. But He gives up free will to accept or reject Him.
I've head different people talk about "how they came to accept the Lord". Some had "fire works" (sounds like you did). Others said they didn't fell any different, but as they grow you can see they're "fruits" And they love the Lord with all they're hearts.
If it was at an alter call, alone in your room, whatever and wherever, the Lord knows our heart. When we accept Him with all our heart, we are His. And we can be sure because His word says so.
I can tell you about a man in our church in his 80's. He accepted the Lord in his late 70's. He swears during the alter call that someone pushed him in the back! (No one did, except maybe the Holy Spirit!) His mother later accepted the Lord, in her 90's! You can see the change in this man! It was real!
I want to thank you for making us take a look at ourselfs. We do want to be for sure in the Lord. Not just playing christian. God bless you today.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/9/2007 10:47:39 PM
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I heard something today in a sermon that was sobering. That the Holy Ghost will convict our hearts when we need it. Some people choose to fight it and say "But I did what You asked me" meanwhile they did not. This is bad to fight the conviction of the Holy Ghost. But I guess its good to know you messed up but then admit it and can go on trying not to do it again.
See 2 Samuel - Chapter 15 - This sermon was based on King Saul who was ordered by God to totally obliterate ALL of the Amelakites and ALL the sheep and their goods and he decided to save the best of the sheep and stuff. But Samuel came in and God knew what Saul was doing, and Samuel asked "Whats this bleating of the sheep" and then a couple sentences later Saul said "I did what the Lord told me".. That was bad!!!! Not only did Saul not to what God said, but he also lied and said he did it. Woops. bad move on his part. It must have hurt God's feelings so bad that God said "I repent that I have put Saul as king".
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/10/2007 3:16:33 PM
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Consider the awsomeness of a God with enough mercy to save sinners who are bound to offend him again and again. Praise God!! When you wonder if OSAS, what you are doing is recognizing your ongoing sinful nature and continuing sin. Praise God for loving you so much!! I am so pleased for myself and to know that, by the grace of God, I have brothers and sisters in Faith. A litmus test for "am I saved" is "do I love the Lord?" and of course "Have I professed him as my Lord and Savior?". Remember you are known by your fruits ... how are your fruits? That is another good thing to ponder.
God's blessings to his people! Praise the Lord!!! Let everything that has breath praise him! Even the stones will cry out to glorify him.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/10/2007 3:32:27 PM
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The Lord calls us and we then must respond to that call in order for us to be saved. We then respond by confessing that we are sinners and acknowledging the fact that we need a Savior. We also then must believe that Jesus is that Savior who can rescue us from our life of sin. So it`s the Holy Spirit calling us and we responding to that call by faith.
The simplest act of response recorded for us in Scripture on how we can be saved is found in Luke 18:13 where a tax-collector prayed this prayer to Jesus. "God, have mercy on me, a sinner." Jesus goes on to say this about this tax-collector in Luke 18:14. "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/10/2007 11:27:50 PM
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I am sure because,
"...God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Hebrews 13:5
I am sure because,
"...God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." 1 John 5:11-13
I am sure because,
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28
I am sure because,
"...he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit..." Titus 3:5
I am sure because,
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Corinthians 5:21
I am sure because,
"God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful." 1 Corithians 1:9
Yes, I am sure because of what Christ has done for me. Amen!!!!
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/11/2007 8:32:00 PM
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Many people have insurance rather than assurance when it comes to being with God. Many have come to Christ simply because they don't want to go to hell and some even come because they want something but few come for the love of God. That is many come because they are threatened with hell if they don't (And we blame other religions of using intimidation in gaining followers!), then others are bribed into believing; a bit like the cults who are full of promises of riches and power, however, the fact remains, and has always been, that if these are our motivation for being Christian, then we are sadly delusional for God is not fooled.
He is not interested in threatening and bribing us. It is all about love. That is we are to fall head over heals in love with this Jesus and it is in a real relationship that our assurance rests for in this bond of love there is no fear. However, if we are to only respond to threats and promises, we might well have less need of a relationship with him.
In the end, we need not tell Christ that we love Him for He knows if we do or do not, but rather we ought to be asking Him, "Lord do i love You? We need to be less like servants who are only loyal as long as they are paid or beaten and become more like children of the living God who live in the assurance of a loving relation with their Heavenly Father.
Should we ask the questions; Why are we Christians? What is our motivation for coming to Christ?
Yes, I am afraid sometimes, but I am not afraid of going to hell or missing out on some great reward but I am afraid that I have disappointed someone who loves me very much.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/12/2007 11:09:49 PM
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So I ponder, how many believe they know Him because of an act they did? It was about nothing I did, but it was all Him, and His work.
Salvation involves the sinner as much as the Savior. "It was about nothing I did" may sound spiritual, but does it reflect the truth?
If sinners were merely passive recipients of God's salvation, then we would not have Scriptures such as "Seek ye the LORD, while He may be found, call ye upon Him, while He is near" or "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest". Here God invites sinners to come to Him.
There is no doubt that Christ draws all men unto Himself. But the Holy Spirit also convicts and convinces the sinner so that he may repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who do so can be absolutely sure that they have received the gift of eternal life.
The certainty of salvation is based strictly upon what Christ has already done at the Cross and in His resurrection. It has nothing to do with our "feelings" or our "failures". This is something which a lot of Christians simply fail to grasp. "It is finished" means exactly that. Therefore "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" is a reality and a spiritual fact.
Humans beings humanly speaking hate the simplicity of salvation, because they easily forget that the Son of God paid an enormous price for it. That is why it is now a free gift to all who will believe and receive Christ as Lord and Savior.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/20/2007 4:34:28 PM
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Salvation involves the sinner as much as the Savior. "It was about nothing I did" may sound spiritual, but does it reflect the truth?
No is does not, it is all abut what He did. We come to Jesus, drawn by the Father. The Spirit changes us from within if we are His, any work we say we do is like painting a smile on the Mona Lisa, ruining the value. I guess pride still holds on, for we do want to think we had something to do with this act of love by God. Going out on a limb here, but I'll say that less then 50 % of professed Christians are truly saved. Peace,
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RE: Are you sure? - 4/29/2008 9:04:44 AM
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hi wow you all! I was just re-reading some of my posts, and i was really downhearted back in May 2007, around post #21. Well praise be to God! Im ok now! for sure!
You all were such a huge encouragement to me!
I think at that time God was about to bring me into a new place with Him and it was just around the corner and I did not know it.
If i am remembering right, I was leaving the modalist church i was in, and that was heart wrenching because i put my heart into that and I liked a lot of things there, but there was a better place for me in the Lord.
I was so down about the future being so uncertain and I was trying to hard to find a church and i just kept on hitting ones that were not as good. but i kept trying over the summr.
Well then for some reason, over the summer, I studied really hard on Calvinism and a lot of things made sense.
Then God led me to my current church which is so perfect for me that i cant believe God led me to it.. Well its a small church which i love, and so many opportunities to grow and its like a family and i really felt like a homeless orphan and they just adopted me! Hee! So praise be to God.
So Im ok, God did not let me go, and now Im going on with the Lord, no turning back.
thank you all for your encouragement. Coz i was really down, but God pulled me back up!
oh, by the way, the church that God had for me is a Reformed Baptist Church. The best thing about it as they make correct doctrine #1, they believe in serving each other, not just being a church attender, they challenge you by giving you the gospel and preaching holiness standards and not being legalistic. and other stuff too! and opportunities to serve the Lord!
< Message edited by IMA_CHRISTIAN -- 4/29/2008 9:13:21 AM >
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RE: Are you sure? - 4/29/2008 10:15:55 AM
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IMA_Christian,
Amen! Remember to count it ALL joy!
"My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."
James 1:2-8
(Stay in God's Word! Do what the Word says! It is solid ground, you will stop sinking, and you will make it!)
God bless you!
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RE: Are you sure? - 4/29/2008 10:21:13 AM
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The steps to Salvation are clear. Adherence and acceptance of the little that is required of us makes assurance easy. Christ made it simple enough that even little children could understand and feel assured in their Salvation. And so, I am certain of this above anything else.
I don't understand what the point of the question is? What is your purpose for asking it?
I agree. Why are you asking?
While we should always reach towards that goal of perfection, like Paul tells us to, we don't ever have to doubt our salvation. I rest assured in this from John 10
27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
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RE: Are you sure? - 4/29/2008 10:44:45 AM
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Are you sure that you are saved?
In response to your verses....
"We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, 'I know him' but does not do what he commands is a liar and the truth is not in him." - 1 John 2:3-4
"Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did." - 1 John 2:6
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/1/2008 12:02:17 PM
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terryjohn
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satan asks me this all the time and the only response I have ever been able to come up with is, "I don't know and I don't care but I really love this Christ." I guess what I am saying is even if Christ were to send me to hell, I would praise God for I am not a follower of Christ for mine own sake but for His righteousness sake. Hence, if His judgement is that I am unworthy, then I must agree for every knee shall bow in heaven and hell and confess Christ is Lord. In the end, it may be that satan may not want me either. I try never to tell Christ that I love but rather ask Him if I love Him. So far He hasn't said no.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/2/2008 12:44:17 AM
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IMA CHRISTIAN
Don't worry and try to keep your thoughts on the Lord. The devil will be happy to make you doubt your salvation and where you stand with the Lord.
Don't let him have any ground! You can rest in Jesus and in his promises. Saying a prayer for you, just rest in the Lord and His peace.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/2/2008 1:46:17 PM
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If you have admitted to god to being a sinner, and acknowleged Jesus Christ as the one and only son of God sent to die your all sins and have asked into your life for forgiveness you are saved done deal end of. I beleive that verse is reffereing to highly religous types who or are very fixated on doing these great deeds. Silly example, but like Keanu reeves in Constantine.
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/5/2008 6:02:02 PM
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How are you sure that you have the correct savior?
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RE: Are you sure? - 5/5/2008 6:46:28 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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Because Jesus is the ONLY Savior
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But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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