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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/11/2007 11:29:48 AM
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Besides this media-driven perception that he can't win, does anyone have anything bad to say about Paul?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 6/13/2007 6:52:28 AM
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Ron Paul is definitely my choice. He has a great message, understands Freedom, and is consistently conservative. Sure hope he can reach more people.
It would be a great travesty to keep someone like him out of the debate.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 1:53:51 PM
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Ron Paul making some news .... a donation drive has raised $2 million today, and could be $3-4 million by the end of the day. Even more interesting .... most of Ron Paul's money is in the bank, vs. Guliani who is spending over half of what he is raising.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:04:39 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:10:26 PM
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Odd how some people who define themselves as patriotic Americans and who are so quick to accuse others of being terrorist apologists are so quick to mock and to demean a man who has devoted his entire political career to defending and to upholding the Constitution of the United States.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:23:41 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
You have made this accusation before, but have yet to provide any evidence. I have shown in the other thread on Paul that it is not fake internet support.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:36:50 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
You have made this accusation before, but have yet to provide any evidence. I have shown in the other thread on Paul that it is not fake internet support.
Ccoppenbarger: It is probably because there is no evidence to back up this accusation.
Brooklynsblessed1: please provide proof that Ron Paul's internet support comes "from Nigeria and other nations."
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:40:37 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
You have made this accusation before, but have yet to provide any evidence. I have shown in the other thread on Paul that it is not fake internet support.
I agreed w/ Fritz as a result of a conversation that I started--- to cut-down on the posting of articles & links for awhile. We were to review it in 1 month which has passed; but at this time I am content in just posting new items in my blog BROOKLYN'S BLURBS.
So to answer your question I have edited my last blog post w/ info on this net scam & possible illegality.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:58:19 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
You have made this accusation before, but have yet to provide any evidence. I have shown in the other thread on Paul that it is not fake internet support.
Ccoppenbarger: It is probably because there is no evidence to back up this accusation.
Brooklynsblessed1: please provide proof that Ron Paul's internet support comes "from Nigeria and other nations."
ccop I saw you over in Blogtowne, expect next that it's not from the NY Times, etc..if you do some resaerch outside of the article re: laws, etc..see how else this NET SCAM MAY BE "ILLEGAL".
Thank you if you acknowledge I didn't fabricate any statement!
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 2:58:41 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
You have made this accusation before, but have yet to provide any evidence. I have shown in the other thread on Paul that it is not fake internet support.
I agreed w/ Fritz as a result of a conversation that I started--- to cut-down on the posting of articles & links for awhile. We were to review it in 1 month which has passed; but at this time I am content in just posting new items in my blog BROOKLYN'S BLURBS.
So to answer your question I have edited my last blog post w/ info on this net scam & possible illegality.
"In the messages reviewed at UAB, emails were received from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, and Nigeria"
There is absolutely no statistical breakdown in the blurb you posed in your blog to indicate that the bulk of Ron Paul's support comes from abroad.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:06:49 PM
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Much of those boosting him in those internet polls are from Nigeria and other nations.
This pip squeak wouldn't be a good anything in an administration, not even an under, under, under associate Secretary of Anything, let alone our president.
You have made this accusation before, but have yet to provide any evidence. I have shown in the other thread on Paul that it is not fake internet support.
I agreed w/ Fritz as a result of a conversation that I started--- to cut-down on the posting of articles & links for awhile. We were to review it in 1 month which has passed; but at this time I am content in just posting new items in my blog BROOKLYN'S BLURBS.
So to answer your question I have edited my last blog post w/ info on this net scam & possible illegality.
"In the messages reviewed at UAB, emails were received from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, and Nigeria"
There is absolutely no statistical breakdown in the blurb you posed in your blog to indicate that the bulk of Ron Paul's support comes from abroad.
Sorry but brooklynsblessed1 is not a search engine..you can find stories like how a network had to take down a poll because of suspicious activities, etc.
I don't know the stats, but to violate the law I'm sure ONE occurance might be suitable.
FYI/Everyone:The UAB Computer Forensics program is a partnership between the UAB Computer & Information Science Department and the UAB Department of Justice Science. Warner and his colleagues research spam, phishing, malware, identity theft, and related CyberCrime issues.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:13:51 PM
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Brooklynsblessed1: please provide proof that Ron Paul's internet support comes "from Nigeria and other nations."
ccop I saw you over in Blogtowne, expect next that it's not from the NY Times, etc..if you do some resaerch outside of the article re: laws, etc..see how else this NET SCAM MAY BE "ILLEGAL".
Thank you if you acknowledge I didn't fabricate any statement!
In 5 minutes I have found material to refute and to debunk your claim, Brooklynsblessed1, that Ron Paul's support comes from abroad.
Your blog quotes The American Thinker blog, which mentions the University of Alabama-Binghamton. But that blog only quotes Gary Warner, from UAB, in part. In fact, your blurb doesn't even give Warner's full name and only selectively excerpts what he says.
WIRED, however, presents a more thorough look at this, and it also quotes Warner and the UAB findings. WIRED, unlike your blurb, details Warner as the director of research in computer forensics of UAB.
I will now excerpt part of the WIRED report - coincidentally, which your blurb from The American Thinker also excerpts. However, WIRED and I are less selective than either The American Thinker or yourself.
The e-mails had phony names attached to real-looking e-mail addresses. When lab researchers examined the IP addresses of the computers from which the messages had been sent, it turned out that they were sprinkled around the globe in countries as far away from each other as South Korea, Japan, the United Kingdom, Nigeria and Brazil.
That pattern led Warner to conclude that the messages had been laundered through a botnet -- also a standard spammer practice, though a decidedly illegal one.
And another expert says:
Dan Hubbard of security company Websense reviewed one of the messages captured by the university. He believes that there was some type of spam-laundering in use -- though not necessarily a botnet.
In other words, this spam-laundering or botnet show the emails are not only not from independent people from those countries, but rather, "... a well-intentioned yet misguided supporter or someone with bad intentions trying to embarrass the campaign..." either way, this is independent work, and we have no connection (meaning: no connection between the emails and Ron Paul himself."
Thus, the logical conclusion is: charges that the bulk of Ron Paul's online support hails from abroad is FALSE.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:15:53 PM
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Ron Paul making some news .... a donation drive has raised $2 million today, and could be $3-4 million by the end of the day. Even more interesting .... most of Ron Paul's money is in the bank, vs. Guliani who is spending over half of what he is raising.
Wonder where the $$$$$ comes from if you do your own web search you's see that according to Federal Election Commission records, on 9/30/07 the Ron Paul presidential campaign received a $500 contribution from a Mr. Don Black, who lists his address as 203 Lakeland Drive and identifies his occupation as “self-employed/website manager”
Black is a black hating/neo-nazi who runs a hate website..maybe his supporters are pitching in too.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:20:05 PM
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I looked at the article, but I have failed to see that level of activity on the internet. I am on the internet at least 10 hours a day M-F. I receive hundreds of emails. A good portion of them spam. Not one of them have been spam pushing Ron Paul. The Ron Paul Facebook group has over 38,000 members.
The Hillary groups are nowhere near that number.
Huckabee neither.
I could do a search for each official group, I suppose, but I doubt that anyone of them would come near to Ron Paul's.
Myspace Numbers:
Ron Paul has 78493 friends.
Mike Huckabee for President has 9633 friends.
Mitt Romney has 31097 friends.
Tom Tancredo has 4032 friends.
Fred Thompson has 12288 friends.
Rudy has 8458 friends.
John McCain has 38376 friends.
Bill Richardson has 20416 friends.
Dennis Kucinich for President (Official) has 33193 friends.
Duncan Hunter in 2008 has 6946 friends.
Gravel for President '08 (Former US Sen. D-AK) has 10926 friends.
Hillary has 145782 friends.
Chris Dodd has 8985 friends.
Joe Biden has 14451 friends.
John Edwards has 48941 friends.
Barack Obama has 189089 friends.
Did I leave anyone out? That should be telling. Only Obama and Hillary are ahead of Paul. Hmmm....
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:23:36 PM
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Incidentally, today is a big internet fund-raising day for Ron Paul. Reports are that he hit $2 million by 10 AM PST. He's expected to hit $5 million by the end of the day. That's in just one day!
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:29:39 PM
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Brooklynsblessed1: please provide proof that Ron Paul's internet support comes "from Nigeria and other nations."
ccop I saw you over in Blogtowne, expect next that it's not from the NY Times, etc..if you do some resaerch outside of the article re: laws, etc..see how else this NET SCAM MAY BE "ILLEGAL".
Thank you if you acknowledge I didn't fabricate any statement!
In 5 minutes I have found material to refute and to debunk your claim, Brooklynsblessed1, that Ron Paul's support comes from abroad.
Your blog quotes The American Thinker blog, which mentions the University of Alabama-Binghamton. But that blog only quotes Gary Warner, from UAB, in part. In fact, your blurb doesn't even give Warner's full name and only selectively excerpts what he says.
WIRED, however, presents a more thorough look at this, and it also quotes Warner and the UAB findings. WIRED, unlike your blurb, details Warner as the director of research in computer forensics of UAB.
I will now excerpt part of the WIRED report - coincidentally, which your blurb from The American Thinker also excerpts. However, WIRED and I are less selective than either The American Thinker or yourself.
The e-mails had phony names attached to real-looking e-mail addresses. When lab researchers examined the IP addresses of the computers from which the messages had been sent, it turned out that they were sprinkled around the globe in countries as far away from each other as South Korea, Japan, the United Kingdom, Nigeria and Brazil.
That pattern led Warner to conclude that the messages had been laundered through a botnet -- also a standard spammer practice, though a decidedly illegal one.
And another expert says:
Dan Hubbard of security company Websense reviewed one of the messages captured by the university. He believes that there was some type of spam-laundering in use -- though not necessarily a botnet.
This is inconclusive and only conclusions that you have drawn; to me as a non-committed Republican Paul is suspicious; the man is a kook w/ a 9/11 conspiracy kook on staff, etc.
And as it's stated above it's likely that "either they are using a botnet, or they are using open relays,"this would not surprise me.
The whole Paul net crowd, if there is one has caused CNBC to take down a poll & on DRUDGE I saw Drudge put up a debate poll & Paul was registering as winning even before the 1st 15 mins. was underway.
I think Drudge doesn't do debate polls anymore..as they are highly suspicious re: Paul's supporters/spammers.Nuisances really.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:31:35 PM
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Facebook supporters: (Rep. leader in red, Dem leader in blue) This is predominantly college students, but there are others as Facebook becomes more popular.
Name:
Barack Obama
Supporters:
159,927
Name:
Bill Richardson
Supporters:
7,260
Name:
Chris Dodd
Supporters:
2,080
Name:
Dennis Kucinich
Supporters:
14,401
Name:
Fred Thompson
Supporters:
18,410
Name:
Hillary Clinton
Supporters:
50,718
Name:
Joe Biden
Supporters:
6,794
Name:
John Edwards
Supporters:
23,008
Name:
John McCain
Supporters:
12,744
Name:
Mike Gravel
Supporters:
6,812
Name:
Mike Huckabee
Supporters:
8,398
Name:
Mitt Romney
Supporters:
20,397
Name:
Raymond Mckinney
Supporters:
122
Name:
Ron Paul
Supporters:
35,748
Name:
Rudy Giuliani
Supporters:
8,981
Name:
Thomas Tancredo
Supporters:
1,107
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 3:57:53 PM
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Brooklynsblessed1: please provide proof that Ron Paul's internet support comes "from Nigeria and other nations."
ccop I saw you over in Blogtowne, expect next that it's not from the NY Times, etc..if you do some resaerch outside of the article re: laws, etc..see how else this NET SCAM MAY BE "ILLEGAL".
Thank you if you acknowledge I didn't fabricate any statement!
In 5 minutes I have found material to refute and to debunk your claim, Brooklynsblessed1, that Ron Paul's support comes from abroad.
Your blog quotes The American Thinker blog, which mentions the University of Alabama-Binghamton. But that blog only quotes Gary Warner, from UAB, in part. In fact, your blurb doesn't even give Warner's full name and only selectively excerpts what he says.
WIRED, however, presents a more thorough look at this, and it also quotes Warner and the UAB findings. WIRED, unlike your blurb, details Warner as the director of research in computer forensics of UAB.
I will now excerpt part of the WIRED report - coincidentally, which your blurb from The American Thinker also excerpts. However, WIRED and I are less selective than either The American Thinker or yourself.
The e-mails had phony names attached to real-looking e-mail addresses. When lab researchers examined the IP addresses of the computers from which the messages had been sent, it turned out that they were sprinkled around the globe in countries as far away from each other as South Korea, Japan, the United Kingdom, Nigeria and Brazil.
That pattern led Warner to conclude that the messages had been laundered through a botnet -- also a standard spammer practice, though a decidedly illegal one.
And another expert says:
Dan Hubbard of security company Websense reviewed one of the messages captured by the university. He believes that there was some type of spam-laundering in use -- though not necessarily a botnet.
In other words, this spam-laundering or botnet show the emails are not only not from independent people from those countries, but rather, "... a well-intentioned yet misguided supporter or someone with bad intentions trying to embarrass the campaign..." either way, this is independent work, and we have no connection (meaning: no connection between the emails and Ron Paul himself."
Thus, the logical conclusion is: charges that the bulk of Ron Paul's online support hails from abroad is FALSE.
This is inconclusive and only conclusions that you have drawn; to me as a non-committed Republican Paul is suspicious; the man is a kook w/ a 9/11 conspiracy kook on staff, etc.
And as it's stated above it's likely that "either they are using a botnet, or they are using open relays,"this would not surprise me.
The whole Paul net crowd, if there is one has caused CNBC to take down a poll & on DRUDGE I saw Drudge put up a debate poll & Paul was registering as winning even before the 1st 15 mins. was underway.
I think Drudge doesn't do debate polls anymore..as they are highly suspicious re: Paul's supporters/spammers.Nuisances really.
Inconclusive? It was a botnet... or, someone who is not related to Ron Paul. What conclusions are you seeking? That this is not a botnet and it's someone who wants to smear Paul?
If it's the latter, it reminds me of people who like character assassination.
And as for your views on him, Brooklynblessed1, I wonder why you as a Christian like to use epithets. The man is a "kook?" And he has a "9/11 conspiracy kook" on his staff?
I am not surprised, given your previous posts, that the moment you were strongly challenged on the "evidence" you've posted in your blogs, that all you had as a reply was that it was an "inconclusive" conclusion and that you resorted to a personal attack on Ron Paul.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 4:05:10 PM
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The only reason Brooklyn doesn't like Paul is because of Paul's statement in the GOP debate here in Columbia, SC, when he said that the reason 9/11 happened was because of our foreign policies, which is the truth. If that's un-American to say that, then so be it, but our support of Israel is a big reason of why we're hated and what happened to us on 9/11. It was horrendous act, and I condemn it, but at least someone is not afraid to speak the truth.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 4:11:05 PM
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Kook is often referred to as eccentric..apart from the crowd.
I think Paul seems eccentric and no doubt far away from the national crowd, or way of thinking.
It does not matter, because it is still an epithet and it is in the end name-calling. And as for "eccentric," his views may be unique and "new," but they are reasonable and based on fact - on these two criteria, they are heads and shoulders above the views of Bush, Cheney, or Giuliani.
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