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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/30/2007 3:39:20 PM
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His plan for the war is exactly why I will never vote for him The second reason is the Ron Paul fans. They drive me nuts. It's as if the guy walks on water. And I do believe that he should face those who disagree with him. It would show strength of character. If he doesn't, it appears as if he is hiding.
First of all, if people would actually think about what he is saying about the war, they might actually agree. Now, perhaps he does go overboard just a tad, but if you look at the problems we have in this country it all boils down to our foreign policy. The reason why we have so many people against us is because of our foreign policy. We are bully's. We have painted this picture that we own the world. Every little thing that goes on, we've got to get our noses into it, make someone mad instead of minding our own business.
If everyone wants to hear his position on the so called, "he's a racist issue" why didn't some of you post a video question for the CNN/Youtube debate?
And for us who follow him, how are we nuts? We're nuts because we, the American people, want our country back? I guess our founding fathers were nuts too, because I haven't heard Ron Paul say anything that didn't line up with what they put in the Constitution, the law of the land.
I guess it's just like how people call those of us who follow Christ nuts. They just don't want to hear a message that can set them free.
I may not agree with everything Ron Paul says, but, at least he is willing to stand up for what he believes in.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/1/2007 1:58:30 AM
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Ron Paul is at 10,362,082.00. 10.4 million in just the first 2 months of the 4th quarter, WOW. Rudy Giuliani finished with only $10,258,019 for all the 3rd quarter. That is a lot of money for just a few spammers 
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/1/2007 3:01:02 AM
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When did "We, the American people" loose control of the country?
It seems to me that the only people who feel that the American people have lose a voice in this country, our government, and our destiny are: Democrts, liberals and supporters of Ron Paul.
Maybe those who believe that "We, the American people" need to take back the country should give greater effort to making sure each and every elligible voter gets out to vote, rather than trying to dictate to people who they should vote for.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/1/2007 8:52:25 AM
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thomas2008
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When did "We, the American people" loose control of the country?
It seems to me that the only people who feel that the American people have lose a voice in this country, our government, and our destiny are: Democrts, liberals and supporters of Ron Paul.
Maybe those who believe that "We, the American people" need to take back the country should give greater effort to making sure each and every elligible voter gets out to vote, rather than trying to dictate to people who they should vote for.
Oh, you don't think that we've lost our country? Look around man. Our government leaders no longer follow the Constitution, and then people like Bush and others want to attack what the Pakistan president and President Chavez is doing with their Constitutions.
It is time for the government to keeps its nose out of where it does not belong. They need to keep it in Washington where it belongs. If you don't think that our country is in danger, that our civil liberties that we take for granted is in danger of extinction, well, you've just not been doing any research. Must be an Ann Coulter supporter.
The Christian community is in danger also. You know we're only one generation of becoming extinct? Who do you think, besides maybe Mike Huckabee, on that stage is going to protect Christians. Not Guiliani. I doubt any of them. They would turn us over for a price. Look how Bush praises the Muslim community. You, a Christian praise a religion that, hmmm, is anti-Christian?
Like Ron Paul said, if you want to change the world, don't do it with the barrel of a gun, do it by living an example, and so far we're doing a poor, poor job. What would Jesus do? I believe Jesus would want people to run this country that will follow the rules, the laws of the land. The Constitution. After all, it was written for him anyway.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/1/2007 1:43:55 PM
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It seems to be that the very people who believe they are championing the Constitution actually know very little about it or its history.
Now, I am not a scholar about the Constitution, but I know that just about every president from George Washington to George Bush has challenged the Constitution at some time, in some way because the Constitution seems to be both very limiting and very vague about the powers that the three branches of government have, and to the extent that they could be exercised. It also seems to be limiting and vague about the states rights/ responsibilites as opposed to national/ federal rights and responsibilities. It is most certainly vague about the powers of the president as he acts as commander-in-chief, espeically in light of the dangers our country and world has face and is facing today.
Our fore-fathers, IMO, purposely made the Constitution limiting and vague because they believed in the power of the people. They believed that in the end the citizenry held the power to elect the right people to make the right decisions in the best interests of this country and all those that would be attracted to this country and what it stands for-freedom at all levels of life.
Yes, many of our former government personalities have voiced the opinion that America should stay out of foreign entanglements, but no where in the Constitution does it state that. It doesn't say that because our fore-fathers knew that that would be an impossibility. They knew that for a country to grow and prosper it needs to deal with other countries, and that those dealings needed to be mutually beneficial on a number of levels.
What civil liberties have been or are being threatened?
I keeping hearing this accusation but have yet to hear anything that supports the arguement in any way. What I do hear is people's wild imaginings of what could happen based on their fear and hatred of the people in power (and jealousy for not being in power and in position to do what they are claiming those in power are doing).
I hesitate to get into a discussion with you about Christians and the governemt. That is purely a theological discussion, IMO.
For your information, I do believe that we Americans are in danger. Our country is in danger. I disagree as to who is posing the danger to us.
I believe that we have a number of enemies inside this country and outside of it, as we always have. The trouble is our enemies have gotten better organized, smarter, stronger and we-"The American people" have gotten weaker.
Historically millions of (legal) Americans do not bother to vote.
Our form of government may not be the best, as many people have commented on, but it is better than many other forms of government. It is also, (I believe) the youngest and most fragile because it puts the true power of the state in the hands of the governed. If the governed do not use their God given power and opportunity, they are in danger of loosing it-pure and simple.
That danger is very real in light of how skillfull many politicians, and their supporters have gotten at the game of politics and persuasion. They all have become so organized and skilled at propganda desemination that the "Truth" does not seem to play any real part in what they are talking about or saying.
To insist that politicians refocus on the Constitution would be to ask them to undo two centuries of hard work that many of them, and those that came before them, have committed their lives to so that they could strip the people of their power and hold it for themselves generation after generation. (I am speaking here of politicians on both sides of the political aisle, not just the one you would like me to speak about).
To many politicians of today the true interests of the people, the country and the world seem to take second place to their quest for power. These politicians have goten good at raising money, making issues of non issues, camouflaging what they really believe and having a voice in matters that they have little or no real experience or interest in.
The ones who are actually interested in the greater good seem to be ridiculed and smeared in all kinds of ways so that no one hears what they are trying to say. What needs to be said.
Get and read a copy of JFK's "Profiles in Courage."
The problem is not those that are elected to office. The problem is the way the system has evolved largely because "We, the people" have taken for granted the power we truely hold over our government.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/2/2007 7:03:49 PM
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His plan for the war is exactly why I will never vote for him The second reason is the Ron Paul fans. They drive me nuts. It's as if the guy walks on water.
While I disagree with RP on what to do with Iraq, he is different than the woe-mongers. It all boils down to WHY he opposes the war. I think that most oppose the war, not because of a philosophy of non-intervention. They are have lost the will to finish what we started. The nation cannot sustain the support for military action unless it can be concluded in a few months. Ron Paul is opposed to intervention on principle. It is the historic position of our nation to avoid getting entangled in the affairs of others, and when we have followed it we have benefited.
Also, his views on government is just .... right. Getting the government out of our business and the business of other nations is the best course that we can follow as a people.
All that to say that I do think we have a moral obligation to finish what we started in Iraq. But I also think we need to set a course of non-intervention.
Does Ron Paul walk on water? No, in fact I think he is a little goofy. But he is a man we can trust to serve in his office according to the principles he has used for so many years. That alone make him remarkable. His ideas are merely the historic ideas of this nation prior to WWII.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/2/2007 9:13:28 PM
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It is the historic position of our nation to avoid getting entangled in the affairs of others, and when we have followed it we have benefited. this is the Ron Paul thread and not the place to get into this issue, but I would remind you of WW2 and the cold war. There is no way we would have "benefited" by staying out of those two in particular.
As for his talk of getting government "out of our business", yes, we have all (most of us anyway) heard the soundbites, but what specific plan does he have to do that? What are the specifics for all of his campaign platform? Can someone point them out to us?
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His ideas are merely the historic ideas of this nation prior to WWII.
This is now a post WW2 world. it would be nice to be able to return to a simpler time when the possibilities of being isolationist were much more practible. But the world is as it is and to wish it different isn't going to happen. You know that Charlie.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/2/2007 9:59:09 PM
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According to Judge Andrew Napolitano's book, "A Nation of Sheep", the Bush Administration has attacked and diminished our freedom of speech, freedom of the press, religion, association, our right to privacy, to not self incriminate, to counsel, to speedy trials, to avoid cruel and unusual punishment, and the right to be set free after an aquittal. Don't ask me to explain this. This might help a little:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvu12z832Xc
Also you might find these interesting:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/carlton1.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance127.html
The second article though almost identical to the first talks a little more about stopping aid to Israel and gives a link explaining in more detail. It didn't help me too much but...
I'm just studying because I don't know yet who I'm voting for. I've got a lot of conspiracy nonsense going on in my head that sometimes makes sense. And then at times I revert back to my usual trusting, conservative Republican self. I can understand the other candidates. I'm not worried about them. I can vote for any of them and know what I'm getting. But I need to study Ron Paul. I didn't like that he opposes aid to Israel. I wonder what he'd do if Israel were attacked. Nothing? Sit back and watch? A President who doesn't get involved unless the U.S. is attacked? I don't know about that.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/2/2007 11:42:22 PM
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This is now a post WW2 world. it would be nice to be able to return to a simpler time when the possibilities of being isolationist were much more practible. But the world is as it is and to wish it different isn't going to happen. You know that Charlie.
No this is the post cold-war world. And as such there is no need for the type of intervention we are involved in. Not that I can tell. "Simpler time"? Hardly. We are talking about such simple time as the Napoleonic Wars. No they were not simpler at all. Nor do I see a justification to try to export democracy. Please explain why we should go beyond trading with the world. Why do we need to try to coerce other nations?
And for clarification. I am close to being ready to be an isolationist due to my frustration with the American people waffling over Iraq. But RP is not about isolationism but non-intervention.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/2/2007 11:58:40 PM
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Sorry I was so hard on the Ron Paul supporters. I just don't know what I'm doing this time. I always knew early on who I would vote for and this time I'm very frustrated because no one excites me. The people for Ron Paul always seem so passionate. I was passionate about Bush and now I wonder if I did the right thing in voting for him, although the alternative would have been a disappointment- both times. Ron Paul would pull us out of Iraq immediately and now I'm learning that he is against aid to Israel. It's almost too much.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 12:15:37 AM
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This is now a post WW2 world. it would be nice to be able to return to a simpler time when the possibilities of being isolationist were much more practible. But the world is as it is and to wish it different isn't going to happen. You know that Charlie.
No this is the post cold-war world. And as such there is no need for the type of intervention we are involved in. Not that I can tell. "Simpler time"? Hardly. We are talking about such simple time as the Napoleonic Wars. No they were not simpler at all. Nor do I see a justification to try to export democracy. Please explain why we should go beyond trading with the world. Why do we need to try to coerce other nations?
And for clarification. I am close to being ready to be an isolationist due to my frustration with the American people waffling over Iraq. But RP is not about isolationism but non-intervention.
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Hasn't intervention and coerciviness always been part of internatonal trade? Hasn't it always been part of doing business on any level, on any scale?
Two people, two companies, two countries enter into a business relationship. Each one is trying to get the most out of the other. Each one is trying to make sure that their investment is safe over the long haul. Each one is trying to influence the other to keep the relationship as mutually benefical as long as possible.
In a business relationship, whether it be between companies, or two countries, each participant is trying to take as much advantage of the other as possible, for as long as possible. Unless, of course, you are talking about colonialism and imperialism through which only one side tends to beneifit for a time.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 12:16:52 AM
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I'm very frustrated because no one excites me.
Yes, I noticed that was true for me early on and it scares me a little. While I like RP and think his policies are good, I am concerned about his elect-ability. I am not sure that our nation is ready for those ideas, nor that the Republican Party will really get behind him.
Honestly the Israel thing bothers me a little. But I think God is the one to defend them and that they are capable of fending for themselves. I don't think that any nation is going to invade Israel any time soon. I share your concern about Iraq. But I really don't think anyone could pull us out overnight. And the reality is that everyone knows that Iraq has the remainder of Bush's presidency and then no matter who is elected, the troops begin coming home.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 8:19:14 AM
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Leon,
I think most can agree that our diplomatic efforts (a form of coercion) should focus on free trade, which benefits all nations. And our people should seek to profit from trade by obtaining a competitive edge. This should be our policy. And much of it already is our policy.
You seem to be trying to blur the distinction between competitive trade and a nation's intervention into the affairs of others. Or do I misunderstand your point?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 8:22:16 AM
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This is now a post WW2 world. it would be nice to be able to return to a simpler time when the possibilities of being isolationist were much more practible. But the world is as it is and to wish it different isn't going to happen. You know that Charlie.
No this is the post cold-war world. And as such there is no need for the type of intervention we are involved in. Not that I can tell. "Simpler time"? Hardly. We are talking about such simple time as the Napoleonic Wars. No they were not simpler at all. Nor do I see a justification to try to export democracy. Please explain why we should go beyond trading with the world. Why do we need to try to coerce other nations?
And for clarification. I am close to being ready to be an isolationist due to my frustration with the American people waffling over Iraq. But RP is not about isolationism but non-intervention.
charlie
The cold war came about because of WW2 and the advent of nuclear weapons. And if one is to think that the cold war is over, take a look at the elections in Russia and Venezuela. It is heating up quickly. Oil is now a new weapon added to the arsenal.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 1:23:29 PM
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The cold war came about because of WW2 and the advent of nuclear weapons. And if one is to think that the cold war is over, take a look at the elections in Russia and Venezuela. It is heating up quickly. Oil is now a new weapon added to the arsenal.
My understanding of the origins of the cold war is that it began with the Soviets virtually taking over Eastern Europe and other parts of the world. And nuclear weapons complicated the seriousness of the communist expansion.
The elections in Russia and Venezuela are not a resumption of a cold war IMO. And if it is, there is no need for this nation to defend the rest of the world. This is no post-WWII in which the economies and militaries of the rest of the world are in shambles. There is no need for American intervention in my opinion. And oil will be sold in a global marketplace, making the country of origin of little consequence.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 1:51:26 PM
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Leon,
I think most can agree that our diplomatic efforts (a form of coercion) should focus on free trade, which benefits all nations. And our people should seek to profit from trade by obtaining a competitive edge. This should be our policy. And much of it already is our policy.
You seem to be trying to blur the distinction between competitive trade and a nation's intervention into the affairs of others. Or do I misunderstand your point?
I am sorry to say that I am not really sure whether you misunderstand me or not. I say this for a couple of reasons.
1. Despite conversations with my business orientated grandfather, I feel I have a very basic understanding of business and its role in national and global politics.
Also, there was a history teacher back in high school who talked about busness, politics, and religion, each with their own agendas, often working together to help a country grow and proper. In the course of this interaction business and trade, with other countries has often been used as a first step for one, or both countries, affecting and intervening in the affairs of each other.
2. Having lived through the Carter administration and the emphsis on human rights at that time, the whole women's liberation movement in America as well as throughout the rest of the world, and the whole Kyoto fiasco and "global warming/ climate change" discussions taking place, not to mention the repeated and unfounded accusatons made about America being imperialistic, I feel that the distinction between competitive trade, and nations interfering in the affairs of other nations have long been blurred, if there ever really was a distinction.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 2:19:19 PM
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ctipon,
I have a question for you and possibly others who support or are supporters of Ron Paul. It is a little off topic, on one hand, but seems to be a very crucial question, on the other.
What is so wrong about intervention?
Didn't World War II teach us that every country in the world is connected and that what happens in one country does tend to have an effect on other countries?
Didn't World War II teach us that those who have the power to make a difference in the lives of innocents need to be ever vigilant in regard to individuals and movements that seek domination over others?
Didn't World War II teach us that "the world community" can not be depended upon to take necessary measures against those that threaten their neighbors or world peace?
I remember the words of the Emperor of Ethiopia Selasi (they are somewhere in my history notes) just before the dawn of World War II when Mussolini and his Italian forces were threatening to invade his country. He made a plea before the United Nations to intervene in the matter and somehow prevent what was bound to happen. After leaving the podium he was quoted as saying words to the effect that-It is my country today, it will be your country tomorrow.
If the world is truely to be seen as a community in which all parties need to work together, then each party needs to be somehow involved in the affairs of the others.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 2:33:43 PM
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Leon,
That is the choice that we as a nation need to decide.
I am currently thinking that we have no right to try to force other nations, it is akin to the idea that each people have a right to determine their own form of government and how they should live as a people. What right do we have as Americans to tell the Venezuelans that they should adopt our form of government? It is certainly not found in God's written revelation and I know of no other source of absolute truth.
I think the lessons of WWII are rather subjective. And varied. I don't think that it proved that American intervention is the best path for this nation.
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Didn't World War II teach us that those who have the power to make a difference in the lives of innocents need to be ever vigilant in regard to individuals and movements that seek domination over others?
Do we really have that right? If so, based on what? And what is the criteria to choose where and when to do this. Are you glad that we did so in the Middle East?
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Didn't World War II teach us that "the world community" can not be depended upon to take necessary measures against those that threaten their neighbors or world peace?
That and the last six decades have proven this. Thus, should this nation take it upon itself to enforce the good behavior of all nations?
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If the world is truely to be seen as a community in which all parties need to work together, then each party needs to be somehow involved in the affairs of the others.
Well, I guess that is the conversation that I think this nation needs. First we need to discuss the "if" and if we agree that "all parties need to work together" then we need to decide in what manner we must work together.
I do not trust nations to do the right thing. I am not overly confident that this nation always does the right thing. I think that each nation has a responsibility to defend itself. If at times it is threatened with a stronger nation, it might decide that it needs its neighbors help. But that the nations of the region are best able to care for that region, barring unusual factors such as colonization.
Leon, I don't claim to have all the answers and part of my change toward this is my reaction to the American people to change their minds so quickly regarding Iraq. I just dont think the nation can stomach prolonged military action, and if that is the case, has no business threatening military action.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 2:53:40 PM
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Do you guys really not understand how stupid the current US foreign policy is? Go back to the year 1870 and the Franco-Prussian War. The German states had very little power and were unorganized, disorganized and always at war with each other (like the Arabs) and then France the military power of the world, at the time. On July 19 France declared war on Prussia only, but the other German states quickly joined on Prussia's side, the common enemy brought about the final unification of the German Empire and overnight germany had became a world power, and won the war. I am so afraid we are doing the same thing with the Arab World, and now even the Communist and Arabs talk to each other because we are uniting them. They don't hate the American people, they hate the American foreign policy.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 3:39:35 PM
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Ctipton,
I think you and I may be pretty much on the same line of thinking.
Now, I am not quite sure if you are an American or not. Sometimes you sound like one, sometimes you do not.
Is America perfect?
No.
Do we always do the right thing, in the right way, for the right reasons?
No.
Do we have a right to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries?
This is debatable.
I would ask you, do we, or any other country with the ability to make a difference, have the right to sit back and do absolutely nothing if we/they learn that an entire ethnic group/ people group, in a country, is threatened with extermination, because it is that country's internal matter?
America is a peculiar country. Our citizeny is almost exclusively made up of people from other countries throughout the world, thus we have ties with people throughout the world, in just about every country.
Our citizenry is made up of descendents of people who escaped injustes and inequalities of all kinds in their home countries.
As our country has grown we too have been quilty of injustice and inequality. We have lied to and almost totally done-away with the people who came to this country before us-Native Americans. We have shipped into this country and enslaved an untold number of people from Africa.
We have come to hate injustice, cruelty, and inequality almost as much as we have come to embrace and love our prosperity, isolation and peace.
However, because we are aware of who we are, where we have come from, and what we have done, we tend to have a sense of responsibility to the rest of the world.
No, we Americans, can not stomach prolonged military commitments because at our core we are pretty much a nation of pacifists. However, if need be, we are well aware that we have the financial, industrial, material and personal resources to bring about swift resolution to disagreeable situations if not for our own interests, but for the interests of others.
Those that have opposed us and may oppose us have been and are also well aware of our financial, industrial, material and personal resources. They are also aware of our desire (as a people) to bring swift and just resolution to situations. (Our political will to see things through is another matter, as it has almost always has been.)
I know that sounds idealistic. It just may be because we Americans are also idealistic. The basis on which our government has been created and our ideals, as many of us tend to see them, come from the Bible.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 5:04:46 PM
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Now, I am not quite sure if you are an American or not. Sometimes you sound like one, sometimes you do not.
No, I am a Texian!
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Do we have a right to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries?
This is debatable.
I would ask you, do we, or any other country with the ability to make a difference, have the right to sit back and do absolutely nothing if we/they learn that an entire ethnic group/ people group, in a country, is threatened with extermination, because it is that country's internal matter?
I think that sometimes our intentions are less than honorable despite rhetoric. And sometimes the way things are presented create inaccurate understandings of the world (for ex. Darfur). Leon, I really do not trust either our politicians to do the right thing or us as a people to adequately understand the world well enough to interfere with other nations.
And at the time I thought we had no business interfering in Bosnia nor do I now. And that is probably the best example of positive interference to protect a people from genocide.
Leon, I am moved by the plight of many people of the world. It burdens me. But I just don't think this nation has the authority nor the resources to right the wrongs of the world. And I am convinced that our politicians are wise enough to guide such an endeavor.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 12/3/2007 5:28:31 PM
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I am not sure what a Texian is.
If part of the definition is that you are a resident of Texas, I am glad. I was sure we had something in common. My father was born in Texas. Every once in a while my way of talking and mannerism refelcts that Texas influence.
I also spent a couple of years in Texas, thanks to the military.
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Paul wins Virginia GOP straw poll - 12/3/2007 9:44:35 PM
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