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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/4/2009 3:41:13 PM
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Since humans are energy, I have a theory that what some people believe are ghosts is actually just a leftover image (you know like a snapshot) of a particular time in a person's life. There's no spiritual essence contained therein at all and the image just fades away with time. Energy? Where do you get that?
We are body (physical) soul, and spirit (mental, spiritual).
Demons are real. The NT takes their existance as axiomatic. It would be very easy for a demon that had been attached to a person for most or all their life to mimic them and call up memories since they were there also.
I know we are a body, soul and spirit. The human body is made up of energy. I do believe demons or evil spirits (if you will) exist, but I don't believe they are these paranormal entities that go around haunting places. What purpose would it serve for them to haunt places that are nothing more than tourists traps ($$$). I can not think of one instance in the bible were a ghost or demons stayed around haunting places. The only instance of an evil spirit continually haunting someone that I can find, is when God set a spirit upon King Saul for his own purposes. All the demon references I can find, was when they actually took possession of people. We are given clear instructions on how to deal with demons in the NT. Demons can't possess Christians, tempt us maybe, but not possess us not when we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I think a lot of the problems and misconceptions come from false teachers, like Bob Anderson and his exorcism antics. I am sorry, but I just can't believe in all the Eerie mumbo and jumbo seen on T.V..
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 2:46:03 AM
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1 - demons and fallen angels are not the same entities. You know that.
2 - while demons may not have bodies, fallen angels would be exactly the same as good angels which are described in scriptures as having bodies.
Say what?
Since when are demons and fallen angels different? I have never heard that particular one before...
And where exactly do you find angels OR demons physically interacting with the world in Scripture? God is described as having a face, a hand, feet, etc, but that doesn't mean he has an actual body. God is spirit, angels are spirit, demons are spirit, but they never interact physically with the world with the exceptions of: God commanding his creation to do something (such as an earthquake or a flood or a pillar of fire, etc), God allowing Satan to have certain command over nature, and God becoming flesh and dwelling among us in Jesus.
As far as the Bible is concerned, the only place physical bodies and spirits interact is in the wonderfully created human being. Demons don't rape and demons don't scratch. It just isn't in the Bible. They mess with your mind, which is probably why these kinds of "attacks" happen often while you are asleep, or they possess the unbeliever and cause the unbeliever to do physical things.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 6:59:48 AM
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Since when are demons and fallen angels different? I have never heard that particular one before...
The greek words for angel and demon are quite different. As I listed, where angels are described in scripture, they always have some kind of body. Demons are described as seeking to be inside a body, beit human or animal. That suggests they are not the same class of beings. quote:
And where exactly do you find angels OR demons physically interacting with the world in Scripture? We find Jesus rebuking wind and waves. Can something inanimate react to a rebuke? We find demons described as "blindness," "deaf and mute," etc.
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God is described as having a face, a hand, feet, etc, but that doesn't mean he has an actual body. That is an assumption on your part. God created man in His own image and man has a body.
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As far as the Bible is concerned, the only place physical bodies and spirits interact is in the wonderfully created human being. What about the pigs infested with the 'legion' of demons?
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Demons don't rape and demons don't scratch. It just isn't in the Bible. They mess with your mind, which is probably why these kinds of "attacks" happen often while you are asleep, or they possess the unbeliever and cause the unbeliever to do physical things. So there is an exhaustive list of things the devil and his demons do not do listed in scripture? Chapter and verse, please?
The bible gives no such list. There are potentially many things hasatan could do and not violate scripture. Unless there is a specific passage of scripture that clearly states the devil cannot do this or that, then you must operate on the assumption that it is possible.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 9:19:43 AM
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Interesting topic and one we cannot avoid as much as we would like for there are, as scripture points out, some who are badly in need of help in this area. Hence, to turn our backs on it or run, is less than helpful to the work of the kingdom of God, although, turning anf running may help satan.
All I have read of real life accounts of demonic possession does not frighten me as much as the power of the name of Christ in solving problems with the demonic. If we are to fear the devil, imagine how much more we should fear God. For satan does.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 10:33:38 AM
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Since when are demons and fallen angels different? I have never heard that particular one before...
The greek words for angel and demon are quite different. As I listed, where angels are described in scripture, they always have some kind of body. Demons are described as seeking to be inside a body, beit human or animal. That suggests they are not the same class of beings.
Would you mind sharing some of the passages and original language that support this? I am interested in your argument.
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And where exactly do you find angels OR demons physically interacting with the world in Scripture? We find Jesus rebuking wind and waves. Can something inanimate react to a rebuke? We find demons described as "blindness," "deaf and mute," etc.
I gave the caveat that God commands and nature responds. The example you gave, however, doesn't demonstrate angels or demons physically interacting with the world.
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God is described as having a face, a hand, feet, etc, but that doesn't mean he has an actual body. That is an assumption on your part. God created man in His own image and man has a body.
Sorry to resort to middle-school tactics but... uh-uh, it is an assumption on your part. Anthropomorphism, ascribing human physical characteristics to something that is not human, doesn't mean that God actually has a body. "Created in His image" refers to personality, spirit, creativity... not body. We are unique creations, a blend of spirit and physical. This is why Jesus taking on flesh and dwelling among us is such a HUGE deal.
Dave, to avoid a long debate that won't go anywhere, would you answer me this: do you consider folks like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Hagin to be sound preachers and teachers? It is from guys like them and others in the word of faith/prosperity movement that I have usually heard the "God has a body" and "the Holy Ghost has a body" assertions.
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As far as the Bible is concerned, the only place physical bodies and spirits interact is in the wonderfully created human being. What about the pigs infested with the 'legion' of demons?
You are exactly right. I had that in mind when I was writing, but in my haste forgot to add it. Correcting that error, my point still stands: the place where the physical world and spirit world can interact is in living creatures who have God's "breath of life", and even then the indication is that demons don't fare so well inhabiting animals.
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Demons don't rape and demons don't scratch. It just isn't in the Bible. They mess with your mind, which is probably why these kinds of "attacks" happen often while you are asleep, or they possess the unbeliever and cause the unbeliever to do physical things. So there is an exhaustive list of things the devil and his demons do not do listed in scripture? Chapter and verse, please?
There are plenty of descriptions throughout the Bible of demons and angels. In one of my Bibles I have every instance of angelic and demonic activity highlighted, and it would take me hours to list them all for you.
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The bible gives no such list. There are potentially many things hasatan could do and not violate scripture. Unless there is a specific passage of scripture that clearly states the devil cannot do this or that, then you must operate on the assumption that it is possible.
I disagree. Quite the opposite. Unless there is a passage that clearly states what Satan CAN do, you must operate under the assumption that he can't do it. The kind of logic and reasoning you employ just doesn't make for good Bible study. For example, the Bible never states that werewolves do or don't exist, therefore we must assume that they do. The Bible never states that my dog can or can't fly, therefore I must assume that he can. The Bible never states that apostle Paul had or did not have Barney purple skin and green hair, therefore we must assume that he did.
Do you see how that kind of reasoning doesn't work?
We know the things I listed are NOT true, because we can infer it without it being stated exactly. The physical structure of a man doesn't morph into an animal under a full moon, dog's have no means to achieve flight, and Paul was a normal human being, and human beings don't have Barney purple skin and green hair.
In the Bible, demons aren't shown being able to effect the physical realm except through possession. The slight exception to this can be found in the case of Satan and Job. However, notice that Satan himself never physically harmed Job or his family. Satan was allowed to command nature, but he never physically touched Job. There is just no precedent to lead us to conclude that demons can come beat us up or rape us when they want, except in the fertiel soil of our dreams and imagination.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 11:07:00 AM
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I'm not going to say that I have full knowledge on the physical properties of Angles or demons or whether or not a demon can be seen while not sleeping. I haven't studied it in the bible or asked God about it. This is what I think though.
There are many accounts in the bible where God sent angels to speak with people they were physically seen and could be touched. They were not floating spirits. Demons are the angles that chose to follow satan and turn from God. Whether or not they lost their ability to be seen by us in the physical plane because of this only God knows. For I am sure it is only by Gods command that any Angel could be seen by us physically speaking.
Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
So we can I believe with Gods ok have physical contact with an angel and not a floating see through spirit.
As I said whether or not demons lost this priviledge I do not know since I have never had contact with one outside of my dreams. I do agree that they mess with your mind. Perhaps this is the only way they can since the fall hence them being in your dreams. Will I say it can never happen without any information from God on that or a deep study I can't say.
As to the sexual attacks demons are vile evil creatures and deceivers. They can posses or opress men/women to commit sexual acts on others whether violent or just preverted. So to say that demons are not sexual I don't believe that to be true. Each demon has thier assignments some are assigned to sexual acts any sexual act whether that be rape, preverted acts, sexual promiscuity etc. So to say that demons are above trying to commit a sexual act I don't think is true. Whether in the realm of sleep or on this physical plane through possession or opression of a person they are guilty.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 11:38:05 AM
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I have read this thread through from the beginning until now. One person, living in one part of the world, or even different parts of it, cannot possibly say with any sufficent degree of absoulte assuredness, that what other people, in other parts of the world, have experienced, can be dismissed because they do not believe it to be within what they accept as the 'Biblical' norm.
God is Spirit...He is, Was and is to come. He is not physical....apparently neither was Jesus...or John would not have written: "And the Word became flesh..."
There are two things I know that a good number of people on these threads disagree with and a good number do agree with"
1) Christians can be afflicted with demons....the correct interpretation of
such is not "possesses', as in the demon having the person, but rather,
the person having or possessing a demon. I know alot of Christians will get their knickers in a twist over that one. I used to also,
2) Many believers have been taught that demons are fallen angels. But many scholars will disagree with that conclusion. The truth is, we do not know as much as we think, but most likely as much as God would have us to know. In studying Scripture, we see that there are definately classifications of demonic power.
I do not believe in being fascinated with such things, but hey, when it's in your face you have to deal with it. And, I do believe it does get in the face of many believers, because we are taught it cannot happen to us...demons cannot do to believers what they do to non-believers.
One thing that does give me sufficient voice to speak up here, is the fact that I know, people are confused, hurting and wondering what is wrong with them. They need help....and being told that what they have experienced is all in their minds, a side effect of too much pizza before going to bed, or that they simply had a bad dream, is to dismiss an extremely numerous part of the Body of Christ. Is it any wonder so many will not discuss such things? I know there are kooks out there. We are not all kooks.
If you do not understand how something can be, that is not sufficent grounds to dismiss it and especially not to those who know that such things (as described on this thread) can and do, happen to Christians.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 11:58:47 AM
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And where exactly do you find angels OR demons physically interacting with the world in Scripture? God is described as having a face, a hand, feet, etc, but that doesn't mean he has an actual body. God is spirit, angels are spirit, demons are spirit, but they never interact physically with the world with the exceptions of: God commanding his creation to do something (such as an earthquake or a flood or a pillar of fire, etc), God allowing Satan to have certain command over nature, and God becoming flesh and dwelling among us in Jesus.
Throughout the entire Bible, actually. From the Garden of Eden on...Satan's interaction with Eve, the Angels with flaming swords posted at the entrance to the Garden by God, God warning Cain not to allow sin to 'have' him (sin, as such cannot have anyone, but a demonic spirit at work and tempting Cain would be so able) the three angelic visitors to Abraham, Satan appearing before God and God granting him to have his way with Job other than taking Job's life and so on. The angels that appeared to the shepherds at Jesus birth.......the Bible is replete with such interaction.
Now, if you mean where did a demon become flesh and blood and do so, than you presuppose they must entertain flesh in order to wreak havoc. You presuppose that interaction must be according to your understanding.
Why?
Angels have appeared as though they were/are flesh...they sat and ate with Abraham. The NT tells us that some have entertained angels without knowing it. That, would seem to indicate that they appeared in the from of .....a human being.
A few more points: Only God is Spirit....angels are spirit beings....plural more than one...demons are not spirit....they are one of many, as in spirits. As far as God having an actual body, the Word became flesh...created by God through the Holy Spirit.....all of these things are really a mystery to us. How can someone say that what they have not experienced cannot be true because they have not experienced it.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 12:24:09 PM
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Why wouldn't God have a body. He said he created us in his image and likeness. We have legs, arms, head, feet, toes, torso etc.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 12:32:32 PM
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John 4:24
God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
I Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 1:06:00 PM
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Dave, to avoid a long debate that won't go anywhere, would you answer me this: do you consider folks like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Hagin to be sound preachers and teachers? It is from guys like them and others in the word of faith/prosperity movement that I have usually heard the "God has a body" and "the Holy Ghost has a body" assertions. No I do not.
But I do consider Derek Prince to have been a sound teacher. He taught this stuff way before anyone heard of Hagin or Copeland or Hinn and their kind.
As to scriptures that have different words - I would encourage you to get e-sword and do a search on the KJV+ that comes with it on the word demon. Check the Strongs numbers and read the definitions. Then do the same for "angel" and "principalies. " That way you can see for yourself and you will not think I am leaving out some major exceptions.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 3:13:10 PM
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Why wouldn't God have a body. He said he created us in his image and likeness. We have legs, arms, head, feet, toes, torso etc.
Does He wear clothes, too? If so, who do you think His tailor is?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 4:05:45 PM
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Why wouldn't God have a body. He said he created us in his image and likeness. We have legs, arms, head, feet, toes, torso etc.
I believe God creating us in his image and likeness is not referring to our physical attributes, but to our spiritual attributes.
No where in the bible will you find God appearing as a physical man. When it says God walked with Enoch, it doesn't mean he physically walked with Enoch in the form of a man. It means God's spiritual presence was physically present before Enoch. Just like when God was among the Hebrews while they wandered in the desert. When God first appeared to inhabit the Tabernacle he appeared as a large cloud.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 4:26:23 PM
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You know, the more I think about it, maybe Aaron really DOES belong as part of this thread.
Do you have a picture of Aaron?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 6:18:27 PM
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And where exactly do you find angels OR demons physically interacting with the world in Scripture? God is described as having a face, a hand, feet, etc, but that doesn't mean he has an actual body. God is spirit, angels are spirit, demons are spirit, but they never interact physically with the world with the exceptions of: God commanding his creation to do something (such as an earthquake or a flood or a pillar of fire, etc), God allowing Satan to have certain command over nature, and God becoming flesh and dwelling among us in Jesus.
Throughout the entire Bible, actually. From the Garden of Eden on...Satan's interaction with Eve, the Angels with flaming swords posted at the entrance to the Garden by God, God warning Cain not to allow sin to 'have' him (sin, as such cannot have anyone, but a demonic spirit at work and tempting Cain would be so able) the three angelic visitors to Abraham, Satan appearing before God and God granting him to have his way with Job other than taking Job's life and so on. The angels that appeared to the shepherds at Jesus birth.......the Bible is replete with such interaction.
None of what you just described involved physical interaction between a human and and angel or demon. Satan was apparently possessing a real serpent, and interacted with Eve that way. An angel with a flaming sword was set to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden... presumably with the authority to kill whoever tried to enter. However, there was no physical interaction with human beings, and we have no knowledge of what method God had permitted the angel to use to kill a person. It may well have been permission to remove the spirit of the person from the body, not necessarily to physically chop them up.
Also, remember what I said about angels in dreams and visions. "Seeing" an angel doesn't mean that they are physically there and able to interact. For example, Balaam couldn't see the angel in the road until "God opened his eyes".
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Now, if you mean where did a demon become flesh and blood and do so, than you presuppose they must entertain flesh in order to wreak havoc. You presuppose that interaction must be according to your understanding.
Why?
The better question is why do you presuppose that pure spirits have the ability to physically interact with matter?
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Angels have appeared as though they were/are flesh...they sat and ate with Abraham. The NT tells us that some have entertained angels without knowing it. That, would seem to indicate that they appeared in the from of .....a human being.
Appearing in a certain form and being "entertained" (look up that word) can easily be done without physical interaction.
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A few more points: Only God is Spirit....angels are spirit beings....plural more than one...demons are not spirit....they are one of many, as in spirits. As far as God having an actual body, the Word became flesh...created by God through the Holy Spirit.....all of these things are really a mystery to us.
I asked before but haven't received an aswer yet: what biblical support do you guys have that demons aren't spirits, and that "fallen angels" and "demons" are different things?
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How can someone say that what they have not experienced cannot be true because they have not experienced it.
If I told you that I saw Jesus hiring a hooker and going to a seedy motel, would you believe me? No, you would say that my subjective experience is inconsistent with the truth already revealed in Scripture. It may hurt your feelings that someone doesn't believe you, but these kinds of assertions of "demon rape" etc just don't square with our ultimate authority on the matter: The Bible.
You need to be translating your experiences through the Word, not translating the Word through your experiences. When that experience contradicts the Bible, you need to reject that experience, not try to retranslate the Bible.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/5/2009 6:21:34 PM
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Why wouldn't God have a body. He said he created us in his image and likeness. We have legs, arms, head, feet, toes, torso etc.
Does He wear clothes, too? If so, who do you think His tailor is?
Probably Gucci.
More interestingly, I want to know what He eats and what brand of toilet paper He uses when he poos.
(Before anyone gets up in arms, I am just using one absurdity to illuminate another)
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/6/2009 5:13:31 AM
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i have no experience but i know some friends who had. they tell me they just pray to the Lord and what they fear will be gone in an instant.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/6/2009 6:49:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart Looks like its time to break out my copy of "Tobin's Spirit Guide" again.
TorchHeart if you have an experience to share, I for one would certainly like to read it. If not, please re-read the entire thread. If you still feel like attempting to make people laugh, there is a forum dedicated to it: http://forums.crosswalk.com/Humor_%26amp%3b_Games/forumid_59/tt.htmquote:
Earthless: It is my conviction however, that those who hold consistently to a biblical worldview must reject the notion that men/women and demons can engage in sexual relations.
This is a thread about personal experiences, and less so about convictions. If you have something to share that has happened to you, present it. As far as fallen angels deviant sexual interest in humanity, it is a biblical worldview:
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
-Gen 6:2
The term "Sons of God" is only used of angels in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, there is more on the subject:
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. -Jud 1:6
The word habitation is only used twice in the New Testament. Once of spirits becoming flesh, and once of flesh becoming spirit:
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven. -2Cr 5:2
Angels can eat food, fight, manipulate physical objects, and be detained in a prison. They can, evidently, be easily mistaken for ordinary men:
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, "Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them." -Gen 19:5
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. -Hbr 13:2
Those of you who express doubts about the potential physicality of spirits are manifesting pious disbelief. Do not think we can impress God by dismissing plain doctrine just because it is exceptionally discomforting and difficult to imagine.
Having said that, Katie-Scarlet, I lean towards healthy skepticism of nightmares if something physical doesn't occur. Although, the evil reaction to witnessing I can second you on.
Katie-Scarlet, when God made us in his image, this was not a physical one, but spiritual. We think, we are aware, we feel, we reproduce:
God [is] a Spirit...-Jhn 4:24
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 2/6/2009 7:59:29 AM
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Gazing,
Genesis 1 makes it clear that all of God's living creations are designed to reproduce "according to their own kinds."
Also, the mutant theory creates serious questions pertaining to the spiritual accountability of hypothetical demon-humans and their relation to humanity's redemption.
Angels rebelled individually, are judged individually, and are offered no plan of redemption in Scripture.
On the other hand, humans fell corporately in Adam, are judged corporately in Adam, and are redeemed corporately through Jesus Christ.
We have no biblical way of determining what category the demon-humans would fit into - whether they would be judged as angels or as men, or more significantly, whether they might even be among those for whom Christ died.
I believe the better interpretation is that "sons of God" simply refers to the godly descendants of Seth, and "daughters of men" to the ungodly descendants of Cain.
Their cohabitation caused humanity to fall into such utter depravity that God said: "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth - men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air - for I am grieved that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord" (Genesis 6:7-8).
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Come to think of it, this would explain some of the conversations we've had at Christmas time, him and I.
