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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 11/16/2007 1:47:27 AM
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I did.
And I don't see an answer, but rather just references to our spiritual states.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 11/16/2007 10:52:28 PM
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Some of your posts seem... odd
I went back to read them. Now I see why.
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doer: when a neighbor friend's daughter wrecked her car, it had flipped and smashed in, she said she had her seat belt on, a few moments later a car drove by and seeing the wreck, called 911. when the ambulance got there they found her unharmed laying by the side of the road. ... She only remembers a man in a light orange tee shirt helping her get out of the car.... it would have taken the jaws of life to get her torn apart body out, but that is the story she is sticking to.very odd.
My sisters BF had something very similar happen to him and a friend of his. They were in a bad crash and within seconds a man appeared who borrowed his phone and placed a call to his passengers Mother. He said he was "a friend of the families". My sisters BF didn't have or even know her number and the passenger didn't have his cell phone with him, and was too disoriented to speak.
This event was reported to me very quickly. The mysterious stranger didn't appear to have a car, showed up on the freeway, and by his phone call (the Mom didn't recognize his voice as anyone she knew) he was able to get his Mom to the hospital as he arrived there for treatment. The injuries were minor, and both driver and passenger recovered very quickly. -He was gone by the time the police and ambulance showed up.
Angel help? I think so. It is interesting that in both the above cases the angel did not prevent the accident, only minimize it.
hmm... your quote disturbs me greatly. From what I have read, you have assumed that both spirit events were comprised of angels. To equate evil with God is preposterous! I think you should be much more careful in what you say publically and think. Your erroneous statements are giving praise to one who does not deserve our praise as Christians.
Both instances appear to be Glorifying God. I think in your haste to berate him, you missed that he had seperated his post into entirely different parts.
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It does not matter if a person is a "baby Christian", a "teen Christian", or a "young adult Christian". The only thing that matters is, that Christ gave us authority over all unclean things by the blood of Jesus which He chose to spill on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
We have authority by and in Jesus' name to command ALL demons and satan to leave us! The Bible never says we are to be fully, mature Christians prior to our authority through and with God.
God has given this authority to ALL CHRISTIANS regardless of where they are in the Christian walk! How dare you state otherwise!! To do so, aligns yourself with satan!
And what gives you the right to condemn her?
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You appear to speak with such authority on a subject you obviously are lacking in wisdom on
You appear to speak with such authority on a subject you obviously are lacking in experience on. As if you are just reading out of a book on paranormal and replying to everyone here as if you were an expert in the field. You throw around verses that vaguely pertain to the situations, but seems more like it's just to justify yourself into a position above others on the subject.
Everyone who has real experience dealing with such, has similiar stories.
I even know a few stories that I chose not to share here, because they would basically just be a repeat of what was already said.
Only the strongest in the faith are used, the rest are told to leave the room. If you ask any of them why, they will say the same reasons. That is, because the expelled demon will be looking for a new host, and those lacking in faith, or unbelievers, are targets.
Now, why would you be trying to convince others that they are able to take on such situations if they aren't ready for them. Ignorance? or deception?
I tried to go through your post history to see where you were coming from, but your only interest seems to be the 2 paranormal threads, and evil christians...
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 11/17/2007 1:39:41 AM
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reread post 113
Your post
The person you responded to mentions one post, then goes on to comment on another, which he then compares to his story.
You assumed he grouped the first half into the second half
I merely removed the first unrelated half to include only the relevant parts.
I apologize that I don't toss in extra verses. I like to be straight to the point.
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1withHim: It was tall, well over 7 ft and all white smoky looking, with a hat on, it turned its weird face toward my sister, smirked and whoofed(can't describe how it moved) up into the attic through the ceiling in an instant. How or why was it there? Don't know. It came from my brother's room who lives with my mom and he disbelieves Jesus and His gospel and has been outspoken about it. He has worshiped the idol Buddha and studies that kind of religion.
This "white form" (or black form) wearing a hat and or a cape is one of the more common manifestations from the general "bag of tricks". Coming out of a particular persons room "accuses him". Either correctly or incorrectly hardly matters. Moving to a traditionally spooky part of the house: closet, basement, attic adds to the traditional fear and eeriness of these locations.
About this event:
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doer: when a neighbor friend's daughter wrecked her car, it had flipped and smashed in, she said she had her seat belt on, a few moments later a car drove by and seeing the wreck, called 911. when the ambulance got there they found her unharmed laying by the side of the road. ... She only remembers a man in a light orange tee shirt helping her get out of the car.... it would have taken the jaws of life to get her torn apart body out, but that is the story she is sticking to.very odd.
My sisters BF had something very similar happen to him and a friend of his. They were in a bad crash and within seconds a man appeared who borrowed his phone and placed a call to his passengers Mother. He said he was "a friend of the families". My sisters BF didn't have or even know her number and the passenger didn't have his cell phone with him, and was too disoriented to speak.
This event was reported to me very quickly. The mysterious stranger didn't appear to have a car, showed up on the freeway, and by his phone call (the Mom didn't recognize his voice as anyone she knew) he was able to get his Mom to the hospital as he arrived there for treatment. The injuries were minor, and both driver and passenger recovered very quickly. -He was gone by the time the police and ambulance showed up.
Angel help? I think so. It is interesting that in both the above cases the angel did not prevent the accident, only minimize it.
hmm... your quote disturbs me greatly. From what I have read, you have assumed that both spirit events were comprised of angels. To equate evil with God is preposterous! I think you should be much more careful in what you say publically and think. Your erroneous statements are giving praise to one who does not deserve our praise as Christians.
“And, what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?” II Corinthians 6:15
The first event spoken of in your quote regarding the spirit in the hat is describing an evil spirit - a demon. The demon will come to the home and reside there if it is welcomed. The brother who believes in Buddha by his actions and beliefs has welcomed evil spirits or demons to reside with him. The Buddha religion uses demons in all of their worship.
“Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?” II Corinthians 6:14
Christians cannot have fellowship or agreement with servants of darkness! Taking items into a home that have had demons placed upon them, is the same as giving your house to satan for possession.
“If a person touches any unclean thing, whether it is the carcass of an unclean beast, or the carcass of unclean livestock, or the carcass of unclean creeping things, and he is unaware of it, he also shall be unclean and guilty.” Leviticus 5:2
The second event was an angel.
Hebrews 13:2 “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”
You appear to speak with such authority on a subject you obviously are lacking in wisdom on, which is a huge detriment to others, who seek to learn God’s truth per the Bible!
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.” Hosea 4:6-7
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” Proverbs 1:7
"Blessed is every one who fears the Lord, who walks in His ways." Psalm 128:1
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First of all, you have taken two different and seperate quotes from what I initially had posted my concerns about, combined them making it appear as something it was not and then turned them into a false accusation against me by attaching a posting I made regarding something else entirely.
I stated my concerns were in regards to the two separate accounts of the ghost who wore a hat in the home of the brother who worshipped Buddha. The other concern I had was in regards to an angel who helped rescue a woman in a car. My concerns were apprapro for what I was posting about which were that the man believed and made a statement that both the ghost with the hat in the home of the brother and the angel who rescued the woman from the car were both angels and this concerns me greatly.
Your posting - Okami - shows two angels saving two separate people. This was not what I had initially commented on. You have gone to great lengths to try to discredit my words.
I think it's quite obvious who is doing the misleading here.
I'm going to drop out of this thread before it gets deleted for attacks on eachother. Have a good night.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 12/29/2007 12:59:26 AM
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You will not like the answer, but .... it is what is commonly referred to as a shape-shifter. A shape-shifter is a person. Yes, you read that right. A person who has so committed their selves to serving satan, that they have ritualistically induced demons into their body. It is the demons within the physical human body which are able to cause the man's/woman's physical body to change into the beast that you and your sister witnessed. Sadly, the person has become just a shell that houses the demons and their free-will is almost non-existent. The person lives to serve satan only and seeks no redemption for themselves from it nor are they capable of it.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
“There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.”
In the Harry Potter’s Sorcerer Stone, it has a woman who can turn into a cat. servants of satan do this whenever they desire it. They are called shapeshifters. It occurs when powerful demons occupy the human being, where in a sense, the human is merely a shell that houses these demons. Then, when they want or during rituals, they will change shapes into any fowl or animal shape they choose. Legends tell of werewolves, vampires (humans who turn into bats), etc. The American Indians call them shapeshifters.
To not have it come back to bother or frighten you again, merely pray and ask God to bind and block it from coming. It will not be allowed to harrass or visit or show itself around you again as God's angels will protect you fervently!
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Wow... what a load. To anyone who read this post and the several following, please disregard them as they are severely twisting scripture teaches us about the spirit realm, if not ignoring scripture altogether.
A "shape-shifter"?!?! Tall_One, I also like science fiction, but the stuff you are trying to pass as real information on the spiritual realm is just... "made up" (this is the kindest descriptor I can come up with).
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 12/31/2007 6:46:16 PM
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God has taught me all that I have stated here and it is God's truth which I have stated in my postings! You will answer to God for what you have publically defamed here. I will say no more on this.
Wow... do you think God would teach me this super-secret knowledge about satanic rituals and demons who make human bodies shapeshift?!? It seems He forgot to put any of that into the Bible, and I wouldn't want to miss out on private interpretations or secret knowledge!
Ok, yes, I am being sarcastic and a bit caustic, but not without reason. Tall_one, the stuff you are claiming about the spirit realm could be straight out of a Stephen King novel or a Clive Barker movie, but it is not out of the Bible which is our best and final authority on all things spiritual. I mean, you are quoting Harry Potter and Native American folklore as if they were credible sources of information on the spirit realm for crying out loud!!!!!
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As long as the drawing remained in the house, the demons had the legal right to inhabit the house.
That is another gem I must have missed somewhere in my 23 years of reading God's word. Demons have legals rights in the physical world? Does the ACLU know about this?
And then you go on to quote Levitical law concerning the destruction of houses that were infested with mold and infer that it is demonically related?!!!!!!
My friend, I know that you mean well, and I can sense your zeal, but with the way you are wielding the sword of the Spirit, you are likely to chop off your leg!
Please, please, please.... let's keep this discussion going. If I am biblically wrong here, I want to see where I am wrong and how I can correct my thinking. I hope you are willing to do the same, because being wrong about spiritual warfare can have dire consequences.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 1/1/2008 10:18:29 AM
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Sounds like someone has been reading the fictional work titled "Pigs in the Parlor" and taken it as truth.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 1/2/2008 5:58:07 AM
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Regarding one of your other false accusations against me Okami:
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The one thing I have learned through it is this,
Be sure you are prayed up, geared up and "locked and loaded" before you delve into "casting demons out" or "rebuking satan".
I can't strongly recommend this statement more. Remember they asked Jesus "why could we not cast it out." Dealing with demons on this level requires much authority and power in God. Its definetly not for the baby , teen or young adult christian.
hmm ... you had me supporting you on other quotes you made in this posting; however, you lost me on this one.
It does not matter if a person is a "baby Christian", a "teen Christian", or a "young adult Christian". The only thing that matters is, that Christ gave us authority over all unclean things by the blood of Jesus which He chose to spill on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
We have authority by and in Jesus' name to command ALL demons and satan to leave us! The Bible never says we are to be fully, mature Christians prior to our authority through and with God.
[Quote] Orakami said: And what gives you the right to condemn her?[/Quote]
God’s word gives me that right! “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19
God has given this authority to ALL CHRISTIANS regardless of where they are in their Christian walk!
I haven't been here in a while. Just popped in.
Of course this authority is given to all christians but all christians are not prepared nor do they know how to use it. We all begin to grow in Christ after we get saved and there are things that are eaiser for us to do as we get more mature than when we first accept Christ. Baby christians, teens and some young adult christians would not know how to properly walk in the authority we are given through Christ. This is why I do not suggest they take part in trying to deal with demons. True we all have the authority including those who followed Christ but yet they could not do it yes?
We all have faith but we are not all walking in the truness and fullness of faith in all areas of our lives, but as we mature in Christ we accomplish this more and more. Someone who has not yet learned their authority in Christ and how to listen and obey Christ no matter what would not be a proper apponent to battle a demon. Someone who has not grown in their knowledge of who they are in Christ and is not walking the walk is not a good opponent to battle demons. Its not just having the authority but understanding it and knowing how to walk in it. Baby christians, teens, and young adult christians have not learned this yet. Most won't even know or understand what they are dealing with and haven't gotten enough word in them to be proficient in the area of dealing with demons. Christ in the garden answered satan with Gods word. If you do not know it you can not use it as the sword that it is. How many baby, teen, yound adult christians have on the full armour of God? A soldier in the army has the authority but he must first go through training before he is sent out to war yes?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/5/2008 5:33:57 AM
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ManimalX: Please, please, please.... let's keep this discussion going. If I am biblically wrong here, I want to see where I am wrong and how I can correct my thinking. I hope you are willing to do the same, because being wrong about spiritual warfare can have dire consequences.
Agreed. Unfortunately not everyone will carefully read all 6-pages of this topic before posting, which would be prudent. Also, not everyone is speaking from experience, which is the point of the thread. Speculations we can take with a grain of salt, but doctrines need to be justified.
There are generally two vocal types when it comes to the supernatural. Nonbelievers, and wild eyed sensationalists. People with actual events to share rarely come forward. -Even less often when they are Christians. What we are looking for is the facts. The fiction industry has made them even tougher to discern.
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Katie-Scarlet: Of course this authority is given to all Christians but all Christians are not prepared nor do they know how to use it. We all begin to grow in Christ after we get saved and there are things that are easier for us to do as we get more mature than when we first accept Christ.
Absolutely:
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby. -1Pe 2:2
But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen. -2Pe 3:18
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/5/2008 3:40:50 PM
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tainted food?
like, food poisoning?
or, like spiked with a hallucinogenic?
He probably means like a bad burrito...
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/5/2008 6:57:15 PM
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tainted food?
like, food poisoning?
or, like spiked with a hallucinogenic?
He probably means like a bad burrito...
While I believe it is possible that bad or spiked food can cause weird perceptions, it has never happened to me personally. Also, it does nothing to explain why numerous people witness the exact same manifestations. At the same time/location or miles/years apart.
It has been a while since I shared a personal experience on this thread. Next post I will.
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/7/2008 2:09:53 PM
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But I've often wondered...If there is something strange - let's say in your neighborhood - who you going to call?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/7/2008 10:42:00 PM
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Satan is the Master Deceiver. Why wouldn't he send his demons to make people believe that they have seen "ghosts" that are human spirits wandering around the earth? This is a contradiction to what the bible says, and it has caused many people to dismiss the bible as being untrue. There is nothing Satan would rather see than the saints falling away from the truth!
As you said, Satan "might send his demons to decieve us". Is that what every mysterey is? Bigfoot, Nessie, and UFO' s are all things that steer people away from God. Honesty, what do you suppose they are? Should I start forum?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/8/2008 10:47:50 PM
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Is that what every mysterey is? Bigfoot, Nessie, and UFO' s are all things that steer people away from God. Honesty, what do you suppose they are? Should I start forum?
From Wikipedia:
On Bigfoot:
"Bigfoot sightings or footprints are often demonstratively hoaxes."
On Nessie:
"One of the most iconic images of Nessie is known as the 'Surgeon's Photograph' which many formerly considered to be good evidence of the monster. Its importance lies in the fact that it was the only photographic evidence of a “head and neck” – all the others are humps or disturbances. The image was revealed as a hoax in 1994."
On UFO's:
"Approximately 90 to 95% of UFOs are later identifed, according to the The J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies."
Art Bell anyone?
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RE: The Paranormal, Ghosts and Demons - 4/10/2008 1:37:14 PM
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the paranormal is something the people use to describe demons working in this natural realm. When 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan, they began their process of decieving people to spite God and his love. Don't get involved with it. Stay with God, his word, and friendship with church goers.
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