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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 3:21:17 PM
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You have showed the posters and shared your concern. You asked us te write to Michael. W. Smith. and ask others to do so too.
I can agree with that and we should pray for him, so that he won't be tempted any further like the Haggard guy.
I remember Zappa's show about him. Back then I totaly agreed with Zappa about these issues.
Beïng popular as a minister for God brings a big responsability. You need to stay spotless, cause you represent The Lord.
No reason to stop listening to Michael or boycot him  .
Never lose Gods Love (1 Cor. 13).
I thank you for your warning.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 3:27:56 PM
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WHTim--
(Cobyone- I didn't follow you there. If you are answering "yeah" to almost any of those questions, that would be the worst answer possible. The devil is completely inactive in this world? You answered "yeah". Maybe we're getting our signal crossed?)
No, no, I'm sorry, I have I dry sence of humor. I was playing "confused".
I wanted to say the I fully agree with your statement!
I just played along (haha)...
I'll be more serious next time.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 5:52:56 PM
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People, get away from Terry Watkins and "Dial The Truth" ministries. 
It sounds like many of you are getting misinformation from him and we as Christians before we make a judgement call, need to be careful because we don't know what their motives are.
I know Michael, not personally, but he's a godly man and he's a sinner just like the rest of us--news to you, right?
And just because a person who is in leadership, whether it is Michael, Toby Mac, Jeremy Camp, Bart Mallard or even Leeland is not perfect at all. They do have issues just like us and also many of these so-called "Perfect Christians" who tend to judge them because of it does not fit people's "holy agenda," or people's perception of Christianity.
We cannot change them, but the holy spirit can convict them--it's not our job to do that.
Best thing any of you on this board can do is to pray for them.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 6:02:52 PM
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WHTim--
I assume you have severe difficulties taking in much Scripture reading...as much of it deals with those very subjects-- signs and indications of the encroaching (spiritual) enemy...and what to look for in the 'end times'...how to discern those times. Bible study must be a rather uncomfortable process, no?
I will also attest to having repeatedly run into indications of covert (or sort of covert) occultism in the 'Evangelical' world.
And there is, after all, this pesky, annoying scriptural advisory about "wolves in sheep's clothing". Maybe God hasn't yet gotten the memo that Christians have now become too "cool" to worry about covert occultism and occultists. God must be behind the times because He seems to be sticking to His guns about this whole "hidden wolves" thing. Go figure.
Yeah, I have come across a whole bunch of these people...and while I (for a number of reasons) draw up short of authoritative and dogmatic conclusions regarding most of these individuals...there definitely are significant occultic anomalies to be observed (beyond all these concerts at Rocketown) in regard to Michael W. Smith...among a number of others prominent Evangelicals.
(Cobyone- I didn't follow you there. If you are answering "yeah" to almost any of those questions, that would be the worst answer possible. The devil is completely inactive in this world? You answered "yeah". Maybe we're getting our signal crossed?)
I don't know how any of your post answers anything that I have said in an earlier post but whatever!
I think you should either form a super strike force and hunt down and expose this "covert occultism" (starting with Michael W. Smith) or begin writing the next generation of Chick tracts.
Seriously though, I don't doubt that there aren't people out there that do things for the wrong reasons in the church. I think that's probably the rule and not the exception. I just don't think that there is some giant "SPECTRE" type plot to lead our kids astray. Honestly, you sound like a Chick Tract.
To answer one thing you said though:
"Maybe God hasn't yet gotten the memo that Christians have now become too "cool" to worry about covert occultism and occultists."
I don't think I or anyone else is too cool. I don't think, to coin your phrase, that the non-Christians got the memo that it was cool to be covert occultists. They'd rather just laugh at us and disregard us altogether. And arguments like you are making gives them plenty of ammunition.
I wrote this before and you pretty much just ignored it so here it is again:
I would wager that none of the bands featured on the blog are actually satanists and are most likely laughing at the notion that they have gotten under people's skin. People that is, who would post a Jeff Godwin style blog on the subject and present it on a ccm message board as a "shocking" revelation. The vast majority of that stuff, is for shock value and shock value alone.
Are you seriously telling me that you think these guys are satanists? Skull caps, drinking blood, chanting, human sacrifice, and whatever else satanists do. Seriously? And on top of all that that Michael W. Smith is sitting back and wringing his hands grinch-style thinking about how he duped all those Christians for so long. Call me crazy but I think this sounds pretty absurd.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 9:36:07 PM
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Of course the Devil is real and evil still exists. But it can be taken to the other extreme as well.
I think the real danger here is if our teens are being deceived. The OP's relevant point is that Rocketown presents itself as a safe place for teens but has all these bands come in with their evil messages. Don't just look at the lyrics but look at whether teens are being deceived by these lyrics. I'd like to hear from people who actually work with teens. I work with 7th and 8th graders as a teacher and I can tell you that in my experience Gangsta Rap & Hip Hop* are far more dangerous than "Satan's Metal"**. Most teens in my experience don't listen to it and those that do are usually perceptive enough to laugh it off for what it is.
I'm not saying that there is no danger in "Satan's Metal" but you can't really miss what it is. Hip Hop advertises a no consequence fun time of sex, drugs (and I include booze in that) and thug life that teens buy into. Its not nearly as obvious that it is bad but I guarentee you that it leads to more misery for them and for those who become victims of these teens who take the thug life mentality to the extreme (which are not many but enough to be concerned, especially one time incidents).
The devil is dangerous but if we're going to discuss it lets get real about the actual dangers and not a bunch of Satanic distraction. Or do you think the Devil isn't bright enough to use diversionary tactics while he plants the real danger seeds of materialism, hedonism and conformity in our world culture? 50 Cent & Britney Spears are far more dangerous to our culture than Cradle of Filth or King Diamond as they have a greater affect on the world culture that ignores God rather than hates Him. Apathy is the opposite of love, not hate.
* I have nothing against Hip Hop personally. Many Hip Hoppers may be well meaning but their effect on the culture through their fun, party songs and the mythification of the glories of the "ghetto life" are damaging nonetheless. I speak of what I see. My major concern is that this mentality causes these very likable "little ones" to stumble, not realizing the real life consequences of this lifestyle.
** "Satan's Metal" is a generic term for those bands (some of whom unfortunately play at Rocketown but not as many as the OP is saying) that shock with stories of Satanism, evil, brutality and the occult. That does not include every band that brings these subjects up in their lyrics but it does include the bands that focus on it obsessively as part of their rep/image.
Yeah, heavy metal was the danger for the 80's generation as rap and hip hop has been the danger for the 90 to now.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 10:03:30 PM
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Petra even had a backwards masking message!!! Does everyone remember that one??
It said:
"?drol eht rof gnikool be dluohs uoy nehw lived eht rof gnikool uoy era yhw"
I thought it was "Whatcha lookin' for the devil for when you oughta be lookin' for the Lord?" instead of "Why are you.." but I may have never heard it exactly right or just got it into my head wrong but I do know that it was the intro to Judas' Kiss! I used to play my LP backwards with my finger on my turntable to listen to that intro! Remember when Mr. Ed's theme song was also something like "Someone Sung this song for Satan" if you played it backwards?!?!?
You're probably right, it's been 25 years since I actually heard the Petra recording!! I actually heard some Christians got freaked out when they heard Petra use "backwards masking", in spite of the context of which it was being used!
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 10:04:08 PM
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There are several issues here
First, I read the blog and checked the site. I saw some of the bands he cited advertised as playing at Rocketown.
Second, Rocketown's "mission statement" (quotes because they use another tem I can't remember) says that it is a place of ministry appropriate for all ages. It also says that secular bands that are chosen to play there are carefully selected.
Third, parents and to a much lesser extent kids take the mission statement at its word and allow their kids (or choose) to go there. Perhaps it is the parent's responsibility to check it out but that does not relieve Rocketown's Christian, moral and perhaps legal responsibility to accurately represent themselves.
Fourth, in several cases the lyrics of the bands that play there are not appropriate judging by the mission statement. I'm not saying these bands are evil, everyone should stop listening. I'm saying that the mission statement and the lyrics don't match up. I would not have chosen to describe them as Satanic. I think anti-social, brutal or shock driven are more accurate. But Satanism is not the only source of negative lyrical content.
Fifth, While I can't speak for the OP, for me this is not about Michael W Smith personally. I like the man's work. I have 3 of his CDs and I suspect the only way I'll ever part with them is if I replace them with remastered versions. I participated in an airband with his song "Secret Ambition" (great video too). Our church drama team used to do an interpretive dance skit to his instrumental "Ashton". However a ministry he has founded and has the leadership role in is, by the evidence I have seen provided by the OP, engaged in activities that concern me because they are a Christian ministry. I suspect (as I said before) that it is a case where those that approve secular bands are not as diligent as they need to be.
My ideal solution would be to institute a more thorough procedure for approving secular bands. I mentioned Killswitch Engage in a previous post, I think they would be a great choice to play there (and no, I'm not a big fan of their musical style). Any "inappropriate" for Rocketown bands already booked should be compensated for their losses if they agree to drop the gig (and Rocketown should try to get that done) or be allowed to play if that is what the band wants. Those bands are not at fault for agreements made in good faith. Any third party rental agreements should be fully honored for the same reason.
Please note that I didn't want to believe this information was true. I'll be very happy if anyone can disprove it. But I looked at it and I have to call it as I see it. And this isn't an attack on Michael W Smith or anyone else associated with Rocketown. They are still AFAIC my Christian brothers & sisters (and not the hopelessly fallen, still prayin' for you type). But all families have disagreements and the best way to work through those disagreements is honest, objective communication.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/6/2007 10:08:00 PM
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Yeah, heavy metal was the danger for the 80's generation as rap and hip hop has been the danger for the 90 to now.
The parallels between hair metal and gangsta rap theme wise are amazing. Of course the way it is expressed as far as musical style and word play are quite different.
Again, no bashing just calling them as I see them. I single out hair metal because the other forms of metal didn't have the same degree of lyrical similarities.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 7:28:48 AM
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Here are more disturbing (at least to me) indications of occultism from Michael W. Smith. I too have been noticing a number of these "conservative Evangelical" types...MWS among them.
First of all, notice at this LINK...you see a Runic alphabet. The three most popular Runic alphabets all have the same symbol for "Teiwaz" (the equivalent for the letter "T") and "Mannaz" (the equivalent for the letter "M").
Take a close look at that runic "T" and "M".
Then...click on this LINK and notice that Smith's album cover has the runic "T" and "M" incorporated into the spelling of his name. This was observed by occult survivors...people who have come out of Satanism...along with Christian researchers. In other words, it hasn't just been "demon-behind-every-bush" Bible-thumpers who've pointed this out. Occult survivors and also...it has been noticed by current occultists, which was one of my sources for all of this.
Back in 1986 (when this album came out) before the Internet age, it would be very unusual for anybody outside of the occult world to know anything about these Runes. They certainly aren't among the available 'fonts' on Micrsoft Word, as one example. The very term "rune" means "secret". Therefore, occultists and other occult researchers quickly recognized the significance here.
Now...maybe you're thinking this was done behind Smith's back, by the graphics department, or something. That certainly is a possibility. The problem is...these two Runes cropped up again on one of Smith's CD covers a few years later...only this time it was a little more chilling. Go to this LINK.
Again, this has been interpreted by occult survivors and occult devotees: Smith appears to be forming a runic "T" with his body, going so far as to lower his head to round off the top of the "T". And the undercarriage of this wicker chair, even though somewhat modified from an exact replication...appears to be a runic "M". Particularly in the context of his enactment of the "T"...and the previous manifestation on the other album.
By the way, it was pointed out to me by a Wiccan I had a conversation with (which I later confirmed from other sources) that the "T" symbolizes Tyr the Sky-god...and the "M" symbolizes mankind.
After originally being given this information, I emailed my astonished response to this Wiccan individual:
"Wow, thanks for a few of those insights. I realize you and I may be looking at this from completely different angles but...I appreciate the interpretation you were able to provide. I had no idea what Smith was trying to signify.
Now, when you say his choice of runes signifies the 'sky god' and that is being placed above 'mankind'...that is very significant to me...as the ancient manuscripts which make up the so-called Bible, refer to Lucifer as "the prince and power of the air".
Furthermore, they indicate that for the time being, all of the world is virtually under his dominion (although not complete control).
I don't know what you see from your particular cultural perspective but I can tell you that for Smith to indicate that message...is spectacularly and utterly in opposition to his purported 'conservative Christian' philosophy."
There are four or five other very serious indications of this occult symbol display on Smith's part. What is, of course, MOST disturbing is that it is being done in a secretive and coded fashion. Hidden occultism...inserted into Evangelical circles...and into a context of Christian youth, behind their backs...and behind the backs of the parents. Is Smith consciously aware of what is happening here? That's a good question.
I will say this much-- I know (or believe I know) some thing about the Ted Haggard situation which indicate he had been the victim of brutal occultism and occultists. It's a long story and one that probably doesn't belong at this Music board. Could there be similar 'victimization' going on with Smith? Hard to say.
If I am not attacked tooth and nail, and some interest is shown here....I can post some additional information about occult symbolism in regard to MWS...and other artists (unless USMC beats me to it).
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 8:19:02 AM
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I've been e-mailing the above site that USMC10Yrs posts about RockeTown, a site called SmugMug, which supposedly promotes "Satanic" artists, and they are completely unaware of any connection with Michael W. Smith. I believe Smith's RockeTown site and SmugMug are two different things.
I'm listening to "Room For One More" by Anthrax.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 8:22:01 AM
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Here are more disturbing (at least to me) indications of occultism from Michael W. Smith. I too have been noticing a number of these "conservative Evangelical" types...MWS among them.
First of all, notice at this LINK...you see a Runic alphabet. The three most popular Runic alphabets all have the same symbol for "Teiwaz" (the equivalent for the letter "T") and "Mannaz" (the equivalent for the letter "M").
Take a close look at that runic "T" and "M".
Then...click on this LINK and notice that Smith's album cover has the runic "T" and "M" incorporated into the spelling of his name. This was observed by occult survivors...people who have come out of Satanism...along with Christian researchers. In other words, it hasn't just been "demon-behind-every-bush" Bible-thumpers who've pointed this out. Occult survivors and also...it has been noticed by current occultists, which was one of my sources for all of this.
Back in 1986 (when this album came out) before the Internet age, it would be very unusual for anybody outside of the occult world to know anything about these Runes. They certainly aren't among the available 'fonts' on Micrsoft Word, as one example. The very term "rune" means "secret". Therefore, occultists and other occult researchers quickly recognized the significance here.
If you looked at the other letters, you'll see that they're all written in different fonts. I'm sure that most people in the graphic design & printing industries have access to font libraries considerably larger than what's available in the standard version of Word.
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Now...maybe you're thinking this was done behind Smith's back, by the graphics department, or something. That certainly is a possibility. The problem is...these two Runes cropped up again on one of Smith's CD covers a few years later...only this time it was a little more chilling. Go to this LINK.
Again, this has been interpreted by occult survivors and occult devotees: Smith appears to be forming a runic "T" with his body, going so far as to lower his head to round off the top of the "T". And the undercarriage of this wicker chair, even though somewhat modified from an exact replication...appears to be a runic "M". Particularly in the context of his enactment of the "T"...and the previous manifestation on the other album.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 1:08:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: RedStone
Here are more disturbing (at least to me) indications of occultism from Michael W. Smith. I too have been noticing a number of these "conservative Evangelical" types...MWS among them.
First of all, notice at this LINK...you see a Runic alphabet. The three most popular Runic alphabets all have the same symbol for "Teiwaz" (the equivalent for the letter "T") and "Mannaz" (the equivalent for the letter "M").
Take a close look at that runic "T" and "M".
Then...click on this LINK and notice that Smith's album cover has the runic "T" and "M" incorporated into the spelling of his name. This was observed by occult survivors...people who have come out of Satanism...along with Christian researchers. In other words, it hasn't just been "demon-behind-every-bush" Bible-thumpers who've pointed this out. Occult survivors and also...it has been noticed by current occultists, which was one of my sources for all of this.
Back in 1986 (when this album came out) before the Internet age, it would be very unusual for anybody outside of the occult world to know anything about these Runes. They certainly aren't among the available 'fonts' on Micrsoft Word, as one example. The very term "rune" means "secret". Therefore, occultists and other occult researchers quickly recognized the significance here.
Now...maybe you're thinking this was done behind Smith's back, by the graphics department, or something. That certainly is a possibility. The problem is...these two Runes cropped up again on one of Smith's CD covers a few years later...only this time it was a little more chilling. Go to this LINK.
Again, this has been interpreted by occult survivors and occult devotees: Smith appears to be forming a runic "T" with his body, going so far as to lower his head to round off the top of the "T". And the undercarriage of this wicker chair, even though somewhat modified from an exact replication...appears to be a runic "M". Particularly in the context of his enactment of the "T"...and the previous manifestation on the other album.
By the way, it was pointed out to me by a Wiccan I had a conversation with (which I later confirmed from other sources) that the "T" symbolizes Tyr the Sky-god...and the "M" symbolizes mankind.
After originally being given this information, I emailed my astonished response to this Wiccan individual:
"Wow, thanks for a few of those insights. I realize you and I may be looking at this from completely different angles but...I appreciate the interpretation you were able to provide. I had no idea what Smith was trying to signify.
Now, when you say his choice of runes signifies the 'sky god' and that is being placed above 'mankind'...that is very significant to me...as the ancient manuscripts which make up the so-called Bible, refer to Lucifer as "the prince and power of the air".
Furthermore, they indicate that for the time being, all of the world is virtually under his dominion (although not complete control).
I don't know what you see from your particular cultural perspective but I can tell you that for Smith to indicate that message...is spectacularly and utterly in opposition to his purported 'conservative Christian' philosophy."
There are four or five other very serious indications of this occult symbol display on Smith's part. What is, of course, MOST disturbing is that it is being done in a secretive and coded fashion. Hidden occultism...inserted into Evangelical circles...and into a context of Christian youth, behind their backs...and behind the backs of the parents. Is Smith consciously aware of what is happening here? That's a good question.
I will say this much-- I know (or believe I know) some thing about the Ted Haggard situation which indicate he had been the victim of brutal occultism and occultists. It's a long story and one that probably doesn't belong at this Music board. Could there be similar 'victimization' going on with Smith? Hard to say.
If I am not attacked tooth and nail, and some interest is shown here....I can post some additional information about occult symbolism in regard to MWS...and other artists (unless USMC beats me to it).
OK, remember when I said this:
"I think you should either form a super strike force and hunt down and expose this "covert occultism" (starting with Michael W. Smith) or begin writing the next generation of Chick tracts."
I'd say you have clearly chosen the former.
You were really onto something when you said this was all "chilling."
I mean when MWS was on the cover of his Christmas album "manifesting" a rune: chilling is right my friend. We could have all fallen prey to MWS's nefarious plan. Were it not for you and your keen cynical eye that saw right through the smoke screen of his personal testimony, lyrics about God, his charity work, and basically the whole of his public personna of the last 24 years. How many more lives could he have led astray? No sir, I will not attack you tooth and nail but instead offer a hearty thank you and well done.
Just FYI, that was all sarcasm. I still think this is all silly.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 1:36:18 PM
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The octagon was used by the ancient Chinese as a symbol for the turtle, who was a symbol of the devil... I no longer heed "Stop" signs because they're a tool of the devil.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 2:06:05 PM
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.......you....you mean I can't watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles anymore??!?!??
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 4:53:14 PM
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You know, the old saying "not to touch God's aniointed?"--it rings true.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 5:00:37 PM
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WHTim--
Let me just review a couple of your quotes--
"I don't think I or anyone else is too cool." Really? Are you sure about that? You might want to double-check because...I have gotten the distinct impression you view yourself as the baddest thing on wheels...and I'm just some clunker. That certainly is the grindingly condescending tone with which you are conducting this lovely conversation.
And finally-- "I just don't think that there is some giant "SPECTRE" type plot to lead our kids astray."
You almost got it right...except for the part where you say "I just don't think that there is some giant "SPECTRE" type plot to lead our kids astray."
We're talking about Bible 101 here. There is, in point of biblical fact, precisely a "SPECTRE" looming over our children and over the whole world. The "spectre (or spirit) of this world"..that being the Devil...is "plotting" (or as the Scriptures say.."scheming") our destruction. WHTim-- You are completely, totally, and precisely...wrong.
There is a "spectre"...and he is "plotting".
The entire world is under the shadow of a satanic scheme of deception. The devil is about nothing if not deception. And according to the Scripture, he is going to be hugely successful in that deception. Almost all the world will sink to it's doom. Only the biblical "few" will make it through the "Pearly Gates".
I honestly don't "get" your world view and that of most of the other people here -- I walk out my front door and I see an entire world (with a 'few' exceptions) that is completely under the sway of a horrifically tragic satanic deception. The world around me has not a clue as to the mortal danger they are in...not as clue that their souls hang in the balance between heaven and hell.
The whole world is set up to distract from the Truth...to deceive people into unbelief. Your "pooh-poohing" of such things as a matter of principle is amazing.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 5:12:48 PM
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I believe Smith's RockeTown site and SmugMug are two different things.
Smugmug appears to be a place where graphics / photo albums can be posted. I typed in the Michael W Smith website and the Rocketown website manually (did not click on a provided link) and when I used the links on the sites to reach information about Rocketown I found a link to a photo album (I forget the exact term) and both times I was led to the poster gallery that the OP's link leads to. Keep in mind I didn't clear my cache or do any advanced internet stuff but I don't think it would make a difference.
So to address the point you are correct, they are two different things. But thing 1 (Rocketown) has posted content (the link having Rocketown in it and being linked to on Rocketown's site) on thing 2 (SmugMug). So thing 1 is still responsible for said content. (And check out my cool Dr. Seuss reference  )
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You know, the old saying "not to touch God's aniointed?"--it rings true.
Well first, who is God's anointed. Do you think false teachers would tell you they are not God's anointed? Having said that, I'll agree that as far as I know Michael W Smith is doing God's work. I'm not buying any of the occult stuff (which the OP aluded to on his blog but has not presented his case yet). But does touching God's anointed include honest communication and debate on something going on that I believe isn't right after objectively reviewing the evidence (and not wanting it to pan out)?
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 5:20:14 PM
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The entire world is under the shadow of a satanic scheme of deception. The devil is about nothing if not deception
The devil's greatest deception is convincing us he doesn't exist.
We agree that the devil is attacking us Christians and establishing his system. But I think he wants everyone to be apathetic or disbelieving of God, not hateful of Him although either will do (except hate can turn to love quicker than apathy or disbelief). The Devil is just as happy if someone who lived a decent life and went to church out of a sense of obligation goes to hell than if Marylin Manson does. Whatever works and I find it hard to believe that his main form of attack would be so obvious.
But I've already expressed myself on this point so I'll stop.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 6:34:52 PM
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Everyone, please make sure to read my comment to LisaRox. I find this very interesting since she has attempted to dissuade people about the FACTS from the beginning and posted comments that could cast doubt on my documentation to those who are not versed in websites...
JustPeachy,
From the RT website try going to "photos" and then choosing "posters". Many of them are still there. You can also go to www.rocketown.smugmug.com (although for the past 5 days now when I click on "posters" my internet explorer crashes???). Why not also look at Mindless Self Indulgence who is upcoming?
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As For the "wolves in sheeps clothing" deal, the Lord says to watch out for them, so He obviously knew we could recognize them when we saw them.
It is not automatic, it takes a willingness to use discernment (i.e. Ted Haggard's *three year* affair). Also notice, Haggard was not brought to light from any church going person. Is that because we Christians have been trained that "touching God's annointed" is the same thing as unabashedly digging deeper when someone's actions are clearly wrong?
Rufus,
It is always a joy to meet someone who is willing to look at facts with impartiality.
LisaRox,
Do you notice that the posters all say "Rocketown" on them? Or that you get to the smugmug hosted posters through RT? Of course RT and SM are separate companies, just like snapfish, etc. Are you not terribly technologically savy or has your own self confessed penchant for supporting satanic bands such as 3 Inches of Blood and Chthonic blinded you to what I coherantly laid out. Others reading this please verify that last statement by reading her post at http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_2301045/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm#2599134. Info on these bands can be found at http://www.lyricsbox.com/3-inches-of-blood-lyrics-the-phantom-of-the-crimson-cloak-cdr57l6.html and http://www.thegauntlet.com/bio/2016/Chthonic.html)? BTW, "Chthonic" is derived from the Greek god of the underworld.
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I know Michael, not personally... May I say to you that many people do not REALLY know others, and that is doubly true if they do not know them personally. Am I also to understand that you would have taken this stance with Haggard, whom many would have also labeled as "God's aniointed", if I had posted proof of his drug purchases and three years of sexual interactions with his male "massage therapist". I have not asked you to convict MWS, just call RT and MSP and tell them to stop booking these types of bands. Be cautious of taking scripture out of context. It can be just as damaging as not heeding it at all. Samuel certainly "touched God's anointed," if by that we mean speaking out against disobedience or, as in this case, compensating satanic or vulger bands for entertaining our youth. MWS has the power to make this immediately stop, will he?
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