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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 8:56:03 PM
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Everyone, please make sure to read my comment to LisaRox. I find this very interesting since she has attempted to dissuade people about the FACTS from the beginning and posted comments that could cast doubt on my documentation to those who are not versed in websites...
JustPeachy,
From the RT website try going to "photos" and then choosing "posters". Many of them are still there. You can also go to www.rocketown.smugmug.com (although for the past 5 days now when I click on "posters" my internet explorer crashes???). Why not also look at Mindless Self Indulgence who is upcoming?
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As For the "wolves in sheeps clothing" deal, the Lord says to watch out for them, so He obviously knew we could recognize them when we saw them.
It is not automatic, it takes a willingness to use discernment (i.e. Ted Haggard's *three year* affair). Also notice, Haggard was not brought to light from any church going person. Is that because we Christians have been trained that "touching God's annointed" is the same thing as unabashedly digging deeper when someone's actions are clearly wrong?
Rufus,
It is always a joy to meet someone who is willing to look at facts with impartiality.
LisaRox,
Do you notice that the posters all say "Rocketown" on them? Or that you get to the smugmug hosted posters through RT? Of course RT and SM are separate companies, just like snapfish, etc. Are you not terribly technologically savy or has your own self confessed penchant for supporting satanic bands such as 3 Inches of Blood and Chthonic blinded you to what I coherantly laid out. Others reading this please verify that last statement by reading her post at http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_2301045/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm#2599134. Info on these bands can be found at http://www.lyricsbox.com/3-inches-of-blood-lyrics-the-phantom-of-the-crimson-cloak-cdr57l6.html and http://www.thegauntlet.com/bio/2016/Chthonic.html)? BTW, "Chthonic" is derived from the Greek god of the underworld.
Gaylel,
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I know Michael, not personally... May I say to you that many people do not REALLY know others, and that is doubly true if they do not know them personally. Am I also to understand that you would have taken this stance with Haggard, whom many would have also labeled as "God's aniointed", if I had posted proof of his drug purchases and three years of sexual interactions with his male "massage therapist". I have not asked you to convict MWS, just call RT and MSP and tell them to stop booking these types of bands. Be cautious of taking scripture out of context. It can be just as damaging as not heeding it at all. Samuel certainly "touched God's anointed," if by that we mean speaking out against disobedience or, as in this case, compensating satanic or vulger bands for entertaining our youth. MWS has the power to make this immediately stop, will he?
Lastly, but most importantly I don't see anyone calling Rocketown or MW Productions (aside from Rufus?)!!! How about if you people (LisaRox not included) put in some phone calls and we will see if we can get these types of bands from playing there within a month or two?
His Servant...
LOL, I think it's time that I make a username change. I'm not a "SHE".
I'm still looking into this with RockeTown and SmugMug, and I've e-mailed
SmugMug, and they know of no connection to Michael W. Smith or his group. I suppose I should e-mail RockeTown and ask them if they have any connection with SmugMug and these purported "satanic" bands, hear it from their side. I'm almost certain that neither side has any connection with each other, that this is just a silly misunderstanding, but I'll have to hear it from both sides first.
"(H)as your own self confessed penchant for supporting satanic bands such as 3 Inches of Blood and Chthonic blinded you to what I coherantly (sic) laid out" --You know, "satanic" is a rather loaded word. How do you know that they're "satanic"? What does that mean, "satanic"? Is it just an emotionally coloring word for things we don't understand? Are they really in cahoots with Satan? I met both Cthonic and 3 Inches Of Blood at this year's Ozzfest in my hometown, it was the first date of the tour, and both bands were very neat people. I got pictures of them and autographs. They play great music as well.
Btw, I'm listening to "Metal Gods" by Judas Priest. Go me.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 9:09:05 PM
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LOL, I think it's time that I make a username change. I'm not a "SHE".
Yeah, I think you need a Crosswalk makeover. 
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I'm still looking into this with RockeTown and SmugMug, and I've e-mailed
SmugMug, and they know of no connection to Michael W. Smith or his group.
The Rocketown site has a link in the about us section to a SmugMug profile. The web address it links to has rocketown.smugmug in it (not sure of the exact link). I think the link is under photos. But I certainly understand and respect your desire to see for yourself.
I had the first 3 Inches of Blood CD and heard no sign of Satanism. Ultra violent fantasy, sure (but more in a battle setting than shock horror stuff) but no Satan. Can't speak on the other band.
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Btw, I'm listening to "Metal Gods" by Judas Priest. Go me.
The last thing I was listening to was my newly bought Priest's "Painkiller" as well as Van Halen's debut CD (also a new acquisition). I'm in so much debt now, thats what a Summer off (teacher) and a free trial of Amazon Prime (free 2 day shipping for a month, just ran out, I did not auto renew) will do. Actually the debt is slightly embarassing but totally manageable.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 9:11:48 PM
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Gaylel,
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I know Michael, not personally... May I say to you that many people do not REALLY know others, and that is doubly true if they do not know them personally. Am I also to understand that you would have taken this stance with Haggard, whom many would have also labeled as "God's aniointed", if I had posted proof of his drug purchases and three years of sexual interactions with his male "massage therapist". I have not asked you to convict MWS, just call RT and MSP and tell them to stop booking these types of bands. Be cautious of taking scripture out of context. It can be just as damaging as not heeding it at all. Samuel certainly "touched God's anointed," if by that we mean speaking out against disobedience or, as in this case, compensating satanic or vulger bands for entertaining our youth. MWS has the power to make this immediately stop, will he?
Excuse me?
First of all, you took my statment out of context. Secondly, you don't know my heart or you don't know my position on the Haggard incident. I was one of ones that said that he needed to step down from that position because of his "issue."
Secondly, we as Christians can boycott or do anything else, but we don't know MWS's heart or we don't know why he has the bands there. As I said before, we need to pray and get out of the way and let the holy spirit do the work.
I'm done with this thread...
Well this is a hot thread (let us keep our collective cool here, ok). There certainly is a lot going on here and I have to admit to being a bit skeptical. But I am slowly researching this (time permitting) and would find it very troubling that a Christian (forget about being a musician) would be involved in some of this stuff. I have not had time to view all the links, but I'm a bit surprised by what I've seen so far.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 9:25:22 PM
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WHTim--
Let me just review a couple of your quotes--
"I don't think I or anyone else is too cool." Really? Are you sure about that? You might want to double-check because...I have gotten the distinct impression you view yourself as the baddest thing on wheels...and I'm just some clunker. That certainly is the grindingly condescending tone with which you are conducting this lovely conversation.
Again I don't think that I or anyone else is too cool. Frankly however it is hard to not have a "grindingly condescending tone" when you are making the statements that you are making. Surely this is not the first time someone has thought your reasoning is silly at best.
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And finally-- "I just don't think that there is some giant "SPECTRE" type plot to lead our kids astray."
You almost got it right...except for the part where you say "I just don't think that there is some giant "SPECTRE" type plot to lead our kids astray."
We're talking about Bible 101 here. There is, in point of biblical fact, precisely a "SPECTRE" looming over our children and over the whole world. The "spectre (or spirit) of this world"..that being the Devil...is "plotting" (or as the Scriptures say.."scheming") our destruction. WHTim-- You are completely, totally, and precisely...wrong.
I'm not talking about Bible 101 here, I'm referencing the villainous James Bond organization SPECTRE.
Wikipedia says:
SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion) is a fictional terrorist organisation featured in the British James Bond novels by Ian Fleming, the films based on those novels, and James Bond video games. The goal of the organization is world domination."
You apparently didn't get the reference. Again it's hard to not have a "grindingly condescending tone."
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 10:21:53 PM
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Gaylel,
Please explain what you meant then. You said that you do not know MWS personally. Is this what I took out of context? You also put a one sentence post about "God's anointed" with no further clarification, what else could you mean? It is unfortunate that you took what I said so personally. If I use scripture out of context, I EXPECT people to correct me and provide corroborating examples. My intended message was if I had posted proof of his drug purchases and three years of sexual interactions with his male "massage therapist" prior to the media coverage I what response do you honestly think would I have received on this board? Immediate discernment by everyone, or pretty much the same reaction I received from the likes of LisaRox, WHTim, HaySeed, AgapeSoul, and Humbleinspirit who immediately discarded the evidence provided and began ad hominem attacks or just made jokes. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Everyone,
I love all this talk about prayer. Of course we should pray, but why have none of the detractors say they will contact RT and MWP about this? Are you secretly concerned that if you do and nothing changes then you would be forced to rationally consider alternative motives? Pick up the phone already! Did Jesus just pray about the money changers in the temple? Shouldn't we be concerned for the kids? MWS' heart is not why I posted this thread, the kids are!
If these same types of bands are still playing at RT in October I am not even going to reply to detractors!!! I'll come back to this thread then...
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/7/2007 10:33:03 PM
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It took me forever to write-up my last post. I just read the recent comments, the lyrics from 3 Inches of Blood that I hyperlinked above talks about demons feeding on "innocent human flesh". I don't know what else it required to be considered satanic? See you in October...
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 12:32:54 AM
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I think the reason people aren't taking you seriously is because the link you provide to these posters is of no affiliation with Rocketown Records.
Michael W. Smith's recording company can be found here: Rocketown Records
We are discussing his ministry that outreaches to teens, not his record company. Go to www.michaelwsmith.com, click on stand and serve. In the intro paragraph click on Rocketown. Then click on the link and it will bring you info on the ministry being discussed.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 1:08:43 AM
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Wow. I'm trying to figure out what is going on here with the 'confusion' issues. "gaylel1" and "mydeclaration"--
1. Click on this link.
2. Notice all the posters from previous Rocketown concerts with all these rotten, nasty, obscene, perverted, occult-tinged (or worse) rock bands.
3. Become concerned.
I hope this helps to clear things up. You can tell these posters are from Rocketown concerts because they all say Rocketown on them. What is there to be confused about here?
This USMC guy apparently has spent hours and hours tracking down these individuals bands, their obscenity-laced statements, their perversion- and occult-riddled lyrics, their over-the-top "appearance of evil" disobedience to the Scriptures. On and on.
Some of these comments towards USMC are verging on "bearing false witness". If I understand correctly...he is simply trying to get people to call and email Smith and Rocketown, and I suppose failing that, maybe some of the local churches, USMC?
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 1:23:41 AM
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the lyrics from 3 Inches of Blood that I hyperlinked above talks about demons feeding on "innocent human flesh". I don't know what else it required to be considered satanic?
The band is very tongue in cheek, they are "warriors" of good fighting the forces of evil such as those detailed in the above lyric. Similar to any movie that allows us to see the bad guys. Of course I never seriously studied their ridiculously cheesy lyrics. I eventually sold the CD to my friend as I couldn't seriously listen to it.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 1:25:14 AM
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If I were to come on this board, and say that someone is not a Christian because of the things they are doing, I would be banned or atleast suspended from these forums for a while for violation the TOS.
So then, why can people do the very same thing about someone else, esspecialy when that person is not hear to defend themselves.
So...If people are going to call in to question MWS's salvation because things people THINK he is doing, I will do the very same with other people.
It is a SIN to bear false witness against another person. To claim that someone is supports satanic groups/rituals because he used runic letters (which BTW most artists have little imput onto how their covers look), or because the club they formed (which btw the club is STILL drug, alcohol and violence free to give the kids a safe place to go) may occasionaly have bands play that may possibly not be Christian in nature. If that is all someone has as far as evidence against someone, I would call that sin. Sin in bearing false witness against someone who clearly has done alot of good for Christianity in the past 24+ years. Dare I say that MWS has done MORE good to glorify the name of Christ Jesus, than the whole of his detractors (detractors in those who attack him as supporting satanic stuff....not just those who may not like his type of music) put together.
The Word of God says "you shall know them by their fruits" in regarding if somone is of the spirit or not. I would consider album after album, song after song of up lifting music glorifying God; concert after concert, benifit after benifit, all raising money and supporting Godly causes and orginizations; these are good fruits. Attacking someone with circumstantial evidence at best, lies and distortions at worst; these are NOT GOOD FRUITS!!!
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 2:00:04 AM
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So...If people are going to call in to question MWS's salvation because things people THINK he is doing, I will do the very same with other people.
Can you provide any evidence that his salvation was questioned? You won't find it in my posts, quite the opposite in fact.
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may occasionaly have bands play that may possibly not be Christian in nature.
My look see at the evidence suggests these bands are far more than "not be Christian in nature". Again I might not use the word Satanic but they clearly have lyrics many parents would find objectionable.
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If that is all someone has as far as evidence against someone, I would call that sin.
So we are lying if we draw a conclusion based on the evidence we've seen?
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Sin in bearing false witness against someone who clearly has done alot of good for Christianity in the past 24+ years.
I agree but I would stop at the word someone. According to your statement it isn't as bad if we lie about someone "less important" to the kingdom.
I'm not seeing the lying either. I looked at the evidence. The OP may be engaging in hyperbole but his general premise is borne out. Lyrics are very subjective, what one finds offensive for themselves or others another may not have a problem with. But to read the lyrics of those bands and conclude that they would not be offensive to anyone is downright unreasonable. I cannot see how these bands could play at a venue which says it is a ministry appropriate for Christian teens (or Christian teens or parents to bring / send unsaved teens) that "carefully selects" the secular bands it allows to play there.
If anyone has any evidence that contradicts the OP's premise lay it on us. Please, I want to be proven wrong on this. Not "the link doesn't work" (because it does, I manually typed it in) or pointing to the wrong link and saying it has nothing about it. Can you show evidence that states that these bands did not play at Rocketown? Did the OP falsify the lyrics or take them out of context? Anything other than MWS is a long time respected Christian (and I still respect him) and therefore is exempt from criticism.
I had some points of contention with the OP's premise and I presented counter evidence for my position. I disagreed with the occult accusation and I presented counter points to the premise. I did not just say don't criticize a fellow Christian. We need to be loving, respectful and careful (as I believe I have been, won't speak for anyone else) but no one is above criticism, 24 years of exemplary service or not. That service does earn one some benefit of the doubt, a benefit I have happily given him throughout this thread. I have assumed the explanation that presents Mr. Smith in the best light possible considering the evidence.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 2:20:22 AM
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If I were to come on this board, and say that someone is not a Christian because of the things they are doing, I would be banned or atleast suspended from these forums for a while for violation the TOS.
So then, why can people do the very same thing about someone else, esspecialy when that person is not hear to defend themselves.
So...If people are going to call in to question MWS's salvation because things people THINK he is doing, I will do the very same with other people.
It is a SIN to bear false witness against another person. To claim that someone is supports satanic groups/rituals because he used runic letters (which BTW most artists have little imput onto how their covers look), or because the club they formed (which btw the club is STILL drug, alcohol and violence free to give the kids a safe place to go) may occasionaly have bands play that may possibly not be Christian in nature. If that is all someone has as far as evidence against someone, I would call that sin. Sin in bearing false witness against someone who clearly has done alot of good for Christianity in the past 24+ years. Dare I say that MWS has done MORE good to glorify the name of Christ Jesus, than the whole of his detractors (detractors in those who attack him as supporting satanic stuff....not just those who may not like his type of music) put together.
The Word of God says "you shall know them by their fruits" in regarding if somone is of the spirit or not. I would consider album after album, song after song of up lifting music glorifying God; concert after concert, benifit after benifit, all raising money and supporting Godly causes and orginizations; these are good fruits. Attacking someone with circumstantial evidence at best, lies and distortions at worst; these are NOT GOOD FRUITS!!!
Amen....
If MWS had read some of these statements, he would have been grieved that people made false accuations about him and his ministry and his record company.
In all actuality, he can sue those who spread misinformation with libel, even defmation of charater.
I am reminded of a newscaster here in town who passed away today, Hal Fishman. Hal was all about truth and accuracy in reporting the news.
I wish many of my brothers and sisters are all for truth and accuracy like Hal and not relying on reports which someone relying on the internet for infomation or lack thereof.
And btw, being a false witness is not a good witness to your faith, and this mean stories that have no merit about personalities.
I'm just saying it in love and concern.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 4:05:05 AM
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Stephanos--
You are completely confused here somehow. Nobody has said that certain individuals "are not a Christian". That appears to be a completely erroneous accusation. USMC has pointed out these rock bands. (And I have pointed out some troubling symbolism.) Question are being raised about it. They deserve to be raised.
Rufas2000--
I hear what you're saying about the 'original' OP. I was just chipping in my two cents.
I can certainly give you another example of symbolism on a Smith CD cover.
For this example though, there has to be a bit of a background on occult symbolism....so this is a little long. It's awfully hard to have continuity in presentation when the images are a 'click' away. Anybody who wants to PM me, I've been researching this stuff for the last three years, and I have 'formulated emails' standing by, ready for sending...and a blog, with lots of visual aids.
Anyway...there is an awful lot of this secretive and coded symbolism being displayed all over the place. Just why this is happening is another story...but it IS happening and it definitely does not ALL fit into the category of teenagers who mindlessly flash "the horns" at a rock concert without understanding the significance.
This next example involves one of the most well-known occult symbols (and yet mostly unrecognized as occultic)...the Eye of Horus which is displayed, for example, on the One Dollar bill. One could argue, I suppose, that this was simply 'borrowed' by the Founders from the mystical satanic religions of antiquity, and that they intend a different meaning by it.
But as a Bible student, I would think there might be some initial suspicion regarding the occultic significance of this symbol...particularly when we see the statement right below it on this Dollar bill-- "novus ordo seclorum"...literally advocating "world order" or "world rule" i.e. a world government.
Is it possible there is a secretive 'movement' to achieve a global order of things...a world government that is occultic/satanic in it's essence? Actually, it is a matter of biblical fact...is it not?
This occult symbolism on the Dollar bill combined with a call for world government should be a wake-up call for Bible-believers...but mostly it isn't. In any case this "Eye of Horus" symbol in various modified forms, crops up absolutely all over the place.
George Lucas' corporate logo.
AOL logo
CBS logo
Time Warner Cable corporate logo
Alan Parsons Project's "Eye In The Sky" album cover
Movie poster for "Aeon Flux"
You see some modifications here and there. Not all the 'eyes' are inside of a triangle. Many are. There are hundreds more examples of the Eye of Horus symbols, as well as many other occult symbols. Anyone can 'google' to their heart's delight. As I said-- this Eye of Horus hearkens back to antiquity, to the ancient occultic religions.
Now notice the Smith album cover.
Nothing dramatic or flashy. But there it is-- First, you can clearly see the shaded triangle behind Smith's photo. Then, not as easy to see in this particular depiction...at the corner of this triangle, we see in red lettering...."I2(EYE)".
EYE + triangle. I am putting two and two together here-- In the context of 800 rock bands with heavy occult tinges (or worse) traipsing through Rocketown....and the "Tyr" and "mankind" runes on his two other albums (identified to me by practicing occultists)...and his affection for Alan Parsons Project which also has an album entitled "Eye In The Sky" and another album and a song entitled "Lucifer"....I am surmising therefore, this is deliberate occult symbolism being displayed on Smith's "I2(EYE)" album.
Again, is it a prank on the part of the graphics department, or something? I try to look at the overall context.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 4:14:54 AM
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If MWS had read some of these statements, he would have been grieved that people made false accuations about him and his ministry and his record company.
Its not about his record company. It is about one of his ministries, a teen outreach also called (confusingly enough appaently) Rocketown. I doubt he even reads this. If he does, please Michael, disprove these statements or acknowledge the ones that happen to be true and detail how you will address the issue.
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In all actuality, he can sue those who spread misinformation with libel, even defmation of charater.
But nobody has shown this to be misinformation.
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I wish many of my brothers and sisters are all for truth and accuracy like Hal and not relying on reports which someone relying on the internet for infomation or lack thereof.
I wish there were more reporters like Hal. You cannot ignore the Internet when it comes to information. The 24 hour cable networks certainly will not keep you informed, the newspapers are better but they follow the trends of their readers too much in order to sell papers. Anyone desiring to be informed must being a diserning user of the Internet.
As far as this case goes I manually typed in www.michaelwsmith.com. It brought me to what appears to be his home page. From there I clicked on the stand and serve link, which was on his page. It brought me to a list of ministries which he is involved in (a long list, to his credit). I clicked on rocketown. It brings me to a letter where Smith lays out why he started the Rocketown ministry. A link at the bottom says to learn more click here. When I do that a new window pops up with the Rocketown logo. I click on the Rocketown logo and a third window opens. It is the front or home page of Rocketown that includes a brief description, a list of staff and the Board of Directors, led by Michael W Smith. If you click on photo gallery it will bring you to a "powered by smugmug" photo gallery. If you select posters you will see a series of posters featuring the bands the OP talked about being advertised as playing at Rocketown. Clicking on the FAQs section will provide details about their official policy on booking bands.
I'm not keen on being called a liar. I have over 500 posts here and I challenge anyone to find a post and proved that I lied. Perhaps I'm mistaken, if I am show me and I will acknowledge it as I have done in the past. Many of you have a problem with those who confront a person whose ministry may not be living up to its mission statement but have no problem calling me a liar without one shred of evidence to dispute my point.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 8:51:39 AM
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With all the accusations being tossed around here, has anybody verified that Smitty is in fact directly involved with this club? Could it be possible that he doesn't know because it's his corporate name that's involved and not Michael himself? How many times has that been the case in the past, where a famous person is raked over the coals because of something that was done in their name but without their knowledge? I haven't read every word of every post but I also haven't seen anybody bring up this possibility.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 10:28:36 AM
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Rufas2000
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That is a good point. I don't believe I directly said that MWS has nothing to do with the club but I have pointed out that his level of involvement is unknown. But fair or not, when you allow your name to be placed on something as the founder, when you are the first name on the Board of Directors and when you write a letter to the public on your website stating how this project/ministry has been a long time vision of yours then you have a responsibility not to run it, but to keep tabs. Its Michael and his 24 years of solid ministry that parents draw on when they allow their kids to frequent Rocketown.
If this were a business I wouldn't care but its a ministry and furthurmore, a ministry to our troubled teens. I'm not raking anyone over the coals but simply acknowledging that there appears to be a problem and I hope / pray that it will be addressed. I also hope that we can avoid extremes about prominent Christians. It is wrong to rake them over the coals but it is also wrong to dismiss any concern brought up about them or their activities because we shouldn't be "judging" prominent Christians (the same people not having the same level of sensitivity for "run of the mill" Christians expressing honest concerns).
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 10:29:36 AM
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I have been a lurker but the silliness of the posts prompts me oi reply. This is from Rocketown's site.
It is the goal of Rocketown that material played at the music venue is appropriate for youth of all ages. Please join us in the screening process. We invite all parents and youth to investigate band websites and material before attending a Rocketown show. We thank you for your cooperation.e been a lurker but this quote from Smitty's Rocketown should help. "
They are saying in essence if there are questionable groups we want to know so we can take care of it.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 10:33:49 AM
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Rufas2000
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quote:
They are saying in essence if there are questionable groups we want to know so we can take care of it.
Fine, I'm letting them know so they can take care of it. If it is really that simple then lets get it done then go out for a cold beverage (non alcoholic for me, just a preference). I love to meet Smitty.
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 11:05:59 AM
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Wow, sorry I was mistaken. I got so bogged down with all of the talk about symbolism and argueing and whatnot that I did get confused. Easy to do around here.
I removed my apparently OT post. It added nothing to the discussion. I know it's still there in quotations, but just ignore it.
Carry on, carry on. 
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RE: Michael W. Smith, what is going on? - 8/8/2007 11:18:40 AM
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Rufas2000
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Wow, sorry I was mistaken. I got so bogged down with all of the talk about symbolism and argueing and whatnot that I did get confused. Easy to do around here.
Don't feel bad or be embarassed. Everyone, including myself, say things that miss the point. I wasn't trying to be harsh but simply point out the site under discussion.
Have a great day  .
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