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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/10/2008 7:01:15 PM   
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You too Michelle!

I have all five of mine next Thursday, all back to back, so prayers are greatly appreciated!


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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/10/2008 7:03:28 PM   
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Oh wow! That would be killer trying to get ready for all the exams at once. I wouldn't mind taking them all in one day, but for me, it's the preparation. You'll definitely be in my prayers!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/11/2008 11:14:53 PM   
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I'm back! I am registered for school and have everything ready but the financial aid. I will be taking the first two years online at a community college that works with a four year college on transfering credits. At this time I have decided on a MIS degree but still have two years to solidify that decision.

I'm not sure how this is going to go for me, I never tested well in high school. I would get so frustrated at myself sometimes, I'd study long and hard and still look at a test paper like I'd never seen that material before. It's been 25 years and evidently I haven't changed a bit....lol. I took the compass test scored 97 and 98 on reading and writing, I use those skills in my work everyday. I only scored a 30 in math and that came after 2 months of online self study. I just retook the test this week after another month of study.... I was doing radical equations in my sleep! Literally I'd wake up in the night and be working a radical or quadratic equations in my head. I sit down to take the test and had no idea how to work the radical and quadratic equations I was looking at on the screen. I'd work the problem but my answer was not on the multiple choice list.....I made a 37 *sigh*. Interstingly enough, I made A's and B's in high school Algebra 1 & 2. I made D's and F's in reading and writing.

I tell ya my hat's off to anyone who is willing to put themselves through 4 years of school. I hated school then, and already I'm starting to hate it now. It's going to be a long 4+ years. The + is because Im expecting to have to repeat some classes. Somebody please tell me it's worth it.......

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/11/2008 11:32:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vicbhe

I'm back! I am registered for school and have everything ready but the financial aid. I will be taking the first two years online at a community college that works with a four year college on transfering credits. At this time I have decided on a MIS degree but still have two years to solidify that decision.

I'm not sure how this is going to go for me, I never tested well in high school. I would get so frustrated at myself sometimes, I'd study long and hard and still look at a test paper like I'd never seen that material before. It's been 25 years and evidently I haven't changed a bit....lol. I took the compass test scored 97 and 98 on reading and writing, I use those skills in my work everyday. I only scored a 30 in math and that came after 2 months of online self study. I just retook the test this week after another month of study.... I was doing radical equations in my sleep! Literally I'd wake up in the night and be working a radical or quadratic equations in my head. I sit down to take the test and had no idea how to work the radical and quadratic equations I was looking at on the screen. I'd work the problem but my answer was not on the multiple choice list.....I made a 37 *sigh*. Interstingly enough, I made A's and B's in high school Algebra 1 & 2. I made D's and F's in reading and writing.

I tell ya my hat's off to anyone who is willing to put themselves through 4 years of school. I hated school then, and already I'm starting to hate it now. It's going to be a long 4+ years. The + is because Im expecting to have to repeat some classes. Somebody please tell me it's worth it.......


vicbhe - I think it is great that you are going back to school. I remember you talking about it and to see you working on it and moving forward is pretty inspiring. When I went to undergrad, there was a class that I took that was a study skills class. It included information on how to take tests. Is there something similar in your school? Maybe there are some strategies for overcoming your test anxiety.

Perhaps too, you'll want to give preference to classes that don't have lots of tests (some classes will have a paper in lieu of a final exam even).

And vicbhe - it really is worth it - particularly if school will open the door to something new for you (especially in the form of internships and coops).

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/12/2008 9:57:04 AM   
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vicbhe, improving yourself is always worth it - spiritually, physically, mentally.

I'm so excited. I made an A on my final exam!![ :)] This gives me a B+ for the final class grade. Now a break before my spring class, which starts the second week of January.

I pray you all do well on your exams.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/12/2008 11:53:30 AM   
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Thanks for the encouragement. I have run my own business for 18 years. I'm used to self-study. I go to continued education seminars; I read or listen to books and programs on finances, management, marketing, self-improvement, etc. I decided to go to school so I would have something that ties everything together (and that little piece of paper that says I know something).

I am struggling with patience already. I drove an hour to the campus this morning right at opening time thinking Id get in line first to speak to an advisor about a change I need to make. Not a chance! The line was already 3 hours long. I tried but I couldn’t sit there. All I could think about was how unproductive this was. If I had taken my laptop I could have at least got some work done.....*sigh* or with my ipod I could have listened to a audio book on something productive ... or ummmm maybe a good sermon on patience :)

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/12/2008 1:54:06 PM   
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I didn't pass my grad class with a B-, so I have been put on probation and have to retake next year. the good thing is, I can still register for undergrad classes and then take this again next year.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/13/2008 12:24:27 AM   
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vicbhe - can you test out of some classes? If you have lots of experience, they might be able to let you create a portfolio of your experiences and give you credit (at least they did that in one of the colleges I went to). It might make class a bit shorter for you.

eaglelady - I'm sorry that you are on probation. But I am glad that you can still register for undergrad classes ...

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/15/2008 8:58:31 AM   
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eaglelady - bummer, but at least you can try again. I hope you have a better next semester, and the grad class goes better the second time.

vicbhe - it is hard to wait sometimes, especially when you're used to being busy and productive. Be aware that when you ask God to teach you patience, that usually involves learning to wait patiently, too. Been there .... still have trouble waiting occasionally.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/16/2008 3:30:16 PM   
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!

I am in the middle of mounds of notes and books preparing for all five of my finals Thursday! Four of the five are cumulative, so I'm having a great time!

Eaglelady, I'm sorry about your probation, but glad you can still register and take the classes you need.


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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/16/2008 6:26:35 PM   
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(((((karlie))))) - you'll get through it. Go get 'em!

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/17/2008 10:11:32 AM   
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Praying for you today, Karlie!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/17/2008 12:45:54 PM   
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Thanks!

After tomorrow, it's all over for a few weeks!


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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/18/2008 6:40:21 AM   
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Hang in there, Karlie. Just a little while longer.

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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/18/2008 8:08:21 PM   
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Seams that way,but be wary. My sis has a degree in med transcription, with cancer registry credentials. Problem she is finding is that most employers looking want someone that can do accounting too. They are looking for billing, coding, and med transc, with the accounting to go along side. Otherwise you are looking at between 7. and 10. dollars/hr.

She has had such a hard time that she has just gone back for nursing. The good thing is that a lot of her courses are transferable, so she has only had to take one semester of gen ed requirements and she will start her nursing classes this next spring semester.

Not trying to put a damper in it, just trying to give you heads up of what to expect. This way you can be looking and deciding what you want to do with your degree, or if you want to add to it or not.

The one thing she doesn't have, which I have been praying and working toward, that you and I do, is that she is not a Christian.

We have prayer and the Lord to help us in our endevors.

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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/18/2008 10:33:10 PM   
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Just needing some reassurance here.... someone I used to date called me today. (I did not recognize the number or I would not have answered grrrr) She asked how things were going and I shared with her that I was going to school, I was expecting something positive, instead I get an earful of negatives.
While I personally see talking to her in a similar light to drinking poison I do want to consider what she said and consider what others might have to say.
I am struggling financially like most people are right now. I have run a business for fourteen years and finally decided to throw in the towel. I am a single parent raising three kids. One is in college and Im supporting him somewhat. The other two are 17 and 13 so they can fend for themselves for the most part. Recently filed bankruptcy, lost everything including my house and may be living with my folks until I can get through school.
Her points to me were to name a few 1) I'm 42 and will be 46 or 47 when I graduate in 4 or 5 years.( I will still be 46 or 47 in 4 to 5 years if I don't go to school :) ). Her point was that 'no one' is looking to hire older people, they want younger grads. She bases that on her experience in the Dallas area searching for a job herself with her computer science degree. 2) She suggest the best I could hope for is to make around $30K-$35K a year and I can do that without a degree so why spend four years and all that money getting a degree? 3) She points out that I am a single dad and would be putting a lot of hardship on my kids just so I could go to school and do what I want to do; she believes I am being selfish. 4) She pointed out how hard school was and that I probably didn’t want to put the needed effort into it when I could just go find a job somewhere. 5) She repeatedly asked how I was going to pay for school and pointed out all the cost of going to school.
I will say I have never considered her an encourager and felt as if she was attacking me by the way she said the things she did. However I put my emotions aside and want to consider objectively what she had to say. I do know how I feel/think about her comments but I wanted to get some others inputs as the scripture says there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors.

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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/18/2008 10:50:56 PM   
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1) doesn't matter many people are going to school as working adults.
2) That is possible but the wages depend on where you live. For a single person you could live on that, there wouldn't be a ton left over but its doable. In Arkansas its enough, it wouldn't be enough in New York City or California.
3) Your kids are old enough to understand
4) Depends on the individual. Some people breeze through it and some struggle
5) Is her none of her business

It is a difficult field to get into though. The companies prefer to bring in experienced programmers on H1B visas and not train students out of college. Plus they tend to use contract programmers so you may have to do lots of temp jobs and have lots of periods of unemployment.

So there is some truth to what she has said. I have worked call centers and tech support jobs for several years and there are quite a few computer science majors that could not get full time long term employment and ended up working alongside me.

The age discrimination thing does exist too, these companies like to find 19 year old "geniuses".

BUT if it's meant to be it will work out.

You do have two things going for you 1) you are a man and IT is male dominated and very few women are in the upper ranks and 2) you have ran a business and have work experience which the younger people do not.
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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/18/2008 11:29:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: vicbhe

Just needing some reassurance here.... someone I used to date called me today. (I did not recognize the number or I would not have answered grrrr) She asked how things were going and I shared with her that I was going to school, I was expecting something positive, instead I get an earful of negatives.
While I personally see talking to her in a similar light to drinking poison I do want to consider what she said and consider what others might have to say.
I am struggling financially like most people are right now. I have run a business for fourteen years and finally decided to throw in the towel. I am a single parent raising three kids. One is in college and Im supporting him somewhat. The other two are 17 and 13 so they can fend for themselves for the most part. Recently filed bankruptcy, lost everything including my house and may be living with my folks until I can get through school.
Her points to me were to name a few 1) I'm 42 and will be 46 or 47 when I graduate in 4 or 5 years.( I will still be 46 or 47 in 4 to 5 years if I don't go to school :) ). Her point was that 'no one' is looking to hire older people, they want younger grads. She bases that on her experience in the Dallas area searching for a job herself with her computer science degree. 2) She suggest the best I could hope for is to make around $30K-$35K a year and I can do that without a degree so why spend four years and all that money getting a degree? 3) She points out that I am a single dad and would be putting a lot of hardship on my kids just so I could go to school and do what I want to do; she believes I am being selfish. 4) She pointed out how hard school was and that I probably didn’t want to put the needed effort into it when I could just go find a job somewhere. 5) She repeatedly asked how I was going to pay for school and pointed out all the cost of going to school.
I will say I have never considered her an encourager and felt as if she was attacking me by the way she said the things she did. However I put my emotions aside and want to consider objectively what she had to say. I do know how I feel/think about her comments but I wanted to get some others inputs as the scripture says there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors.


first of all, why did she call you in the first place? I'll tell you why: her life is miserable so she wants to drag as many people down as possible. satan is a great discourager aint he?

second, I am 44, so in four or five years, since I got put on probation and have to retake this class again before I can move on in my program, I'll be almost 48. perhaps I am lucky, but I haven't come across age discrimination yet. it's either been because I was qualified or not or I was the right fit or not, perhaps that is my perception, but most employers need good employees and we more mature ones, have much more experience, smarts and etiquette. plus, usually a better work ethic. we bring a lot more to the table than a 19 year old who hasn't had the vast experience we have had.

Also, as Christians, we acknowledge God is sovereign and will put us where we can be maximized of of utmost used for his glory. you think that employer hires you and gives you raises and promotions? yes, hard work, adding to the bottom line, a good attitude, a willingness to do the work, but moslty God is the one in charge.

you have so much to look forward to. like you have such hope. don't let the ex take that away. and also, I do believe the economy will pick up and there will be employment opportunities that didn't even exit before. I have found though, that being good at math, being a good communicator, problem solving and looking for solutions, and being creative and showing what you can offer and give instead of take, are always marketable skills, and the masters degree, is gravy in a world where people are settling for crumbs, we have the full course.

keep the faith. you'll need it for your long wonderful life.
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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/19/2008 12:14:12 AM   
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My line of thinking as far as my age(I just turned 44 and will be about 46-47 when I have my M.S.) is how old will I be in three years if I don't get that degree?? I will turn 46 and 48 and 50 with or without being educated in the way I want to be, so I'm going for it!

My other factor is I didn't choose school on a whim, or because I thought it sounded fun, or even for a better income. I went back(after much prayer and seeking) because I felt very strongly that God has led me into this career for very specific reasons. So, 44 or not, this is where I am supposed to be. I don't worry about my age being a detriment(in fact, in my field, it helps!) because I know this is not my plan, but God's. I do my homework and study hard, and I trust Him to handle the job provision part when the time comes.

I finished all my finals today and am a free woman until the end of January. Woo Hoo!!

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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/19/2008 7:59:04 AM   
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My line of thinking as far as my age(I just turned 44 and will be about 46-47 when I have my M.S.) is how old will I be in three years if I don't get that degree?? I will turn 46 and 48 and 50 with or without being educated in the way I want to be, so I'm going for it!

My other factor is I didn't choose school on a whim, or because I thought it sounded fun, or even for a better income. I went back(after much prayer and seeking) because I felt very strongly that God has led me into this career for very specific reasons. So, 44 or not, this is where I am supposed to be. I don't worry about my age being a detriment(in fact, in my field, it helps!) because I know this is not my plan, but God's. I do my homework and study hard, and I trust Him to handle the job provision part when the time comes.

I finished all my finals today and am a free woman until the end of January. Woo Hoo!!


Yay, Karlie!!!!!! A free woman is a dangerous woman! Enjoy a breather... It took me two days to start feeling energetic after my class finished on Sunday. I fought off a cold on Monday and just didn't feel well on Tuesday. Now that I have my energy back it's time to get through Christmas, then I hit the books again. But you have a nice long break.

I agree with the reasoning that whether we go to school or not, we will still be that much older... we can just choose a degree or not. The lady who encouraged me most was a retired educator. She obtained her degree in her later years and when she retired she had so many options open to her. Degrees provide more options. You can't send it back and you can't unlearn what you learned.

For the Spring, I decided to scale back and only take two classes instead of three. I'll have my intensive the first week of January and there will be some work to complete in the weeks following the class... three or four weekly exams. Then I'll be free for about five weeks before the next class starts. That'll be heavenly!
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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/19/2008 8:06:53 AM   
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first of all, why did she call you in the first place? I'll tell you why: her life is miserable so she wants to drag as many people down as possible. satan is a great discourager aint he?
Actually I was looking at that in a positive light, she called me because God told her too in order to remind me that sometimes God NOT answering our prayers is the greatest thing he can do for us, *laughing*, so glad I didn't marry into that.
I know she called because its Christmas and being alone gets to many of us this time of year.

I'm not going into computer programming,; that was her field. I have decided at this time on a MIS degree (recommended by a advisor) which is computers and business together. That could change though; I have two years to decide for sure as I am getting my basics at a community college. I had considered the age factor and was honest with myself about some things. Mainly while I am a very technical minded person I am not much into the latest and greatest thing. I want a simple cell phone that 'rings'. I don't want to watch tv on a 2" screen. I never understood the excitement about being able to watch tv online when the picture is not so good and I have a tv that has been able to do that well for many years. I don't play video games as I don't have the patience to sit there and learn how to play. I have to be real about things and know that I don't have the mind of a 19 year old on the 'need' for a cell phone that will do everything but have a good signal when I want to talk on it.
I also looked at what I spend most of my free time doing. I listen to audio books on business management and self development. I spend a lot of time teaching/ training/ educating/ encouraging others. I love to share what I learned with others. I also looked at what I don't enjoy doing. I have been a satellite installer for many years. I loved meeting new people every day, being at a different house every day, training people on using their new equipment, but I grew weary of the actual installation work. I did enjoy troubleshooting problems and was glad to have a few installs go bad so It wouldn't be the same ol boring routine again. I worked in a factory for eleven years and would rather die than go back to that kind of work. I was miserable being confined to a work station for 8-10 hours. I wanted to roam the building.
All that being said as I understand the MIS program, I picture the guy who understands the business part of things, yet can communicate with the IT guys at their level. Bridge the gap between the one who just needs his/her program to do this and that, and the guy who can make it happen. I may have that totally wrong and anyone with knowledge in that feel free to give me some direction.

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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/19/2008 9:34:23 AM   
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Also, as Christians, we acknowledge God is sovereign and will put us where we can be maximized of of utmost used for his glory. you think that employer hires you and gives you raises and promotions? yes, hard work, adding to the bottom line, a good attitude, a willingness to do the work, but moslty God is the one in charge.


^^^This needed to be said again. If God told you to go to school, then He's got the rest of the negatives covered. He's not stupid, and He won't be surprised or dismayed by the results of your decision to go.

I've been going for 4 semesters. It's very hard. My youngest child is 11 and was 10 when I started. I'm 48 (for another couple months). I'll be 50 when I'm finally done. My children spend a lot of time at home alone, and are pretty much educating themselves.

BUT...GOD is the one orchestrating my life. It's true that I have to say no to other things (such as volunteering at church) that others ask me to do. They are offended because they feel that I am not doing any of "God's work". That's ok. I know I am doing what He wants me to do.

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My other factor is I didn't choose school on a whim, or because I thought it sounded fun, or even for a better income. I went back(after much prayer and seeking) because I felt very strongly that God has led me into this career for very specific reasons. So, 44 or not, this is where I am supposed to be. I don't worry about my age being a detriment(in fact, in my field, it helps!) because I know this is not my plan, but God's. I do my homework and study hard, and I trust Him to handle the job provision part when the time comes.


And THAT ^^^ needed to be repeated, as well.

The ex may be business smart, but she isn't wise. Don't listen.

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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 12/19/2008 11:39:19 AM   
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Yay, Karlie!!!!!! A free woman is a dangerous woman!

LOL! That sounds similar to what my husband said. But his was more along the lines of "5 weeks with nothing too keep you busy...that sounds scary to me!"

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/20/2008 4:07:06 PM   
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I have been doing some online research, the age issue does seem to be a real concern especially in the computer and information industry. I know I have to get my basics so I am working on that regardless. Not sure if I will change my direction at that point or not.
I don't like the "if it's meant to be it will be" answer. Leaves too much to chance, at my age there is less margine for error.

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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/20/2008 4:11:37 PM   
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here's the catch-22, you don't really have to have a degree in IT to work in IT. Many don't have a degree at all. Experience normally trumps education. This is due to the flood of Paper MCSES during the tech boom. Plus a bachelor's degree isn't as valuable as it used to be since some schools pass anybody and are dipolma mills. You need a degree to be an executive assistant now. That's why advanced jobs are requiring masters degrees now.

Employers just prefer bachelor's degrees because it shows a level of commitment and follow through and that you have a basic level of education. This is especially true with staffing (consulting) companies.

I have only had one place verify my degree.

However the MIS degree is good and if you ever decide to get an MBA than you'll already have some of the classes done.

Troubleshooting skills are good. They will always look for those skills.

Something like fixing copiers and printers would be good.. that way you are not stuck to a workstation. And that job cannot be oursourced to India.

That's just one opportunity.

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