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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/8/2006 3:52:28 AM
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LivingForChrist07
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"Masturbation is a symptom of uncontroled eyes and free racing thoughts. When you create new habits of bouncing your eyes, and taking thoughts captive, masturbation will cease. Until then it won't. There's no sense in targeting masturbation itself, because you won't be attacking the real source of the problem. Target the eyes and mind instead."
This is old, but I had to bring it up.
This is absolutely false WhatLoveIs. The past times I have fallen to masturbation was not due to lust or porn! I did not masturbate with lust, or even sex on my mind. I am still in puberty and I kept fighting the urges, a wet dream came and nothing, it only made it worst. I prayed, read my Bible, and even started jogging, I was still horney. I have surrendered my battles to the Lord, "The Battle Belongs to the Lord." God has freed me from lust, porn, and constant thoughts about sex. However, I still get very horney.
I fell just today, however, I will try to abstain from masturbation. I go insane, literally, when I get horney. I usually fall to masturbation every 1-2 months when I get the strongest urges. Masturbation and lust DO NOT have to be connected, I know.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/8/2006 5:44:30 AM
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Tiger25
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Is anyone here familiar with an episode of Seinfeld called 'The Contest?' lol...
Basically the gang has a contest to see who can go the longest without masturbating. My favorite part is when jerry, george, and elaine are all shown tossing and turning throughout the night, unable to sleep, while Kramer is shown sound asleep with a big smile on his face. In the next scene kramer walks in to meet the rest of them, slaps his 50 bucks on the table and says "I'm out." lol!
You see the problem I've always had with abstaining from masturbation is that if I don't do it, I can't sleep!!! I toss and turn, letting my mind race from one thing to another until finally at like 5am i give in and just get it over with. Shortly after that I'm sound asleep. I guess my point is, what is more healthy for yourself? Abstaining from masturbation, or doing it and getting a good nights sleep so that you can function much better the next day? As a university student who works fulltime as well, sleep is at a premium for me, so the answer has always been the latter.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/8/2006 1:38:53 PM
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Yeah, its like that for me like a month into not doing anything and it gets like really bad to where even if I have worship music going, trying to get into God to keep my mind off of it its still practicly impossable to sleep or function then when I do fall, my mind is clear and I can actualy function again prety much. Its the part of taking out the lust thats hard and where the strugle for most is I think.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/8/2006 1:56:16 PM
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What yall have literally said is that God isn't good enough to help you through sleep or anything. Please dont' do the rationalize and justifcation thing yall are doing. So many Christians do that and it is quite sad. I have issues and i dont' do that.
I don't know why so many now think the LORD can't help them. Yall know for a solid gold fact that yall are supporting being lovers of yourselves instead of lovers of God. Is this what yall want? Think about it real hard. Are you glorifying God in your private room doing this? Or are you gratifying yourself?(which is not of God)
So many now do things as pagans say instead of being Fighters of God. Is that such a horrible word now. To be a fighter for God. I feel so much joy in my life when I see a sin fighter and a person who will fight there body off for God. But when I see all this it really does break my heart that the body of Christ can act in such a way. Its one thing to have a problem and repent that is what God wants but when you start making excuses for it then you lie to God.
Let me tell yall a little story. When I was first saved I stopped this completely. From March to I'd say August. Not one slip up. And after a while you won't desire it but the first month is the hardest. YOu can NEVER stop this if you don't love God enough to stop it. You will always fail, you will always make excuses (a lot of that going on in here), and never show the Image of Christ. Do yall really want that?
An unbeliever walking into your room while you are having a wack moment and they think "well look at them they sure are glorfifying their God loving themselves" What a sick picture that is!!!
Stop being so weak and stand up for Christ. We can't even do what Jesus said that made many flee. "Deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow me daily" that is the Follower of Christ. We can't even get past the denying part. If you can't fight for the denying your carnality how can you expect to witness and pick up your cross and follow Him each day. Its not happening!!
I understand we have problems but if you wont' admit it and stand up to it like a bear and soar past it like eagles and not be stopped or faint (Isaiah 40) then you never will.
I pray that the LORD Almighty works His way through us. I got my problems and I see others have issues but I know in my ever so beating heart that the Body of Christ can be strong. "All things are possible for those who believe"
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/8/2006 2:17:40 PM
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What yall have literally said is that God isn't good enough to help you through sleep or anything. Please dont' do the rationalize and justifcation thing yall are doing. So many Christians do that and it is quite sad. I have issues and i dont' do that.
Apparently you didn't read my post. 
I prayed, jogged, read my Bible, even had a wet dream, and I still had the urges! God is always on my mind, and now you're just making accusations. 
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I don't know why so many now think the LORD can't help them.
I do believe the Lord can help me. I was masturbation free for 5 months, but I still got urges after the 5 months.
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Yall know for a solid gold fact that yall are supporting being lovers of yourselves instead of lovers of God.
Again this is false. Since you're calling us lovers of ourselves, I expect you to, not watch any tv, do not eat any good meals, do not read any books that are not Christian, do not do anything that you might enjoy. No amusement parks, movies, or anything you might enjoy, since those all have to do with you loving yourself and making yourself happy.
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And after a while you won't desire it but the first month is the hardest.
False, as stated above, I still got urges after 2 and 5 months.
Again, as of yesterday I plan to not masturbate. However, the anti-masturbation camp is very judgmental and they assume they know the other Christians hearts. Some of the stuff I read is out right false and sad.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/9/2006 5:19:33 AM
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Again, I think this all comes back to whether or not masturbation is actually a sin according to the written Word. It would be a whole heck of a lot easier to quit if it was!
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/9/2006 3:54:33 PM
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I don't know why so many now think the LORD can't help them.
Perhaps He did ---- by giving us the opportunity to take care of it ourselves instead of go find a prostitute, which is actually said to be sin.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/10/2006 4:35:54 AM
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Again, I think this all comes back to whether or not masturbation is actually a sin according to the written Word. It would be a whole heck of a lot easier to quit if it was!
Amen.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/11/2006 3:04:25 PM
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Again, I think this all comes back to whether or not masturbation is actually a sin according to the written Word. It would be a whole heck of a lot easier to quit if it was!
You think so?
Tell that to people strung out on drugs, alcoholics, gossippers, those who stand in judgement of others. The fact is that masturbation feels good.........for a moment. It is not an unpleasant experience but it is fruitless and instead of leading you toward God will lead you away from Him in your life.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/12/2006 4:38:52 AM
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Again, I think this all comes back to whether or not masturbation is actually a sin according to the written Word. It would be a whole heck of a lot easier to quit if it was!
You think so?
Tell that to people strung out on drugs, alcoholics, gossippers, those who stand in judgement of others. The fact is that masturbation feels good.........for a moment. It is not an unpleasant experience but it is fruitless and instead of leading you toward God will lead you away from Him in your life.
So does watching TV, reading non-Christian books, newspapers, going shopping, working out, having a beer ect. I'm sure you take part in at least one of these activities, yet I would argue that all of them have the potential to lead you away from Him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say M is totally harmless and something everyone should do all the time! I'm just saying it is a necessary release which I'm quite sure is not forbidden in the Bible. And for the record, I admire all you guys who've quit doing it, I really do. In fact you've inspired me to re-evaluate my own 'struggle' (for lack of a better word). That being said, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Quite frankly, I think there are more important issues we could be discussing right now.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/12/2006 8:24:22 AM
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There is a technology available to release semen w/o M. It is a bit gross and involves electric shock administered in the rectum. It contracts the prostate giving an immediate release. No thoughts or fantasys, no stimulation, etc. Just empties the sack.
Any thoughts on this - other than "gross!"
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/12/2006 10:54:59 AM
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Every time I have done this I get convicted by the Spirit of God so it will always be sin. The Spirit would not convict me and bring me to my knees in tears if I wasn't hurting God which kills me!!
Focus on God and not your "me" time because you are desecrating your temple (your body) which contains the Spirit. Which means when you do this you are doing it with God inside you. Does that seem right to yall?
People do this because they are obsessed with Sex and they more you do it the more you want it. Like when you get money, when you get some you want more and more and then you still can't get enough.
Then you don't focus that much time on God anymore but have a slight time at night or in the morning.
Stand up and Fight the Good Fight of Faith. The Body of Christ is already complacent and comprimising as it is. Let the LORD know you still love Him in Truth, Mind, Spirit and Your Body. Even when people make fun, hold your head up high and sing a song of praise because you are willing to suffer for Christ which will gain you a crown one day.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/12/2006 11:57:19 AM
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DaveW
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People do this because they are obsessed with Sex and they more you do it the more you want it. Like when you get money, when you get some you want more and more and then you still can't get enough. That is true in part. But that is not the only reason it is done. There is also a hormonal buildup (testosterone) in the blood and a fluid buildup in the prostate that needs to be released, not unlike taking a leak. Ejac releases the fluid and sends other hormones into the blood that lowers the testosterone. Some do it to relieve all that.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/12/2006 3:43:12 PM
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I just want to say that I've been enrolled in SettingCaptivesFree for two months. It's been an awesome experience, and I don't regret it one bit.
As far as whether or not masturbation is a sin, all I can say is that I have never masturbated without indulging lust. I've tried to, and I have never been able to separate them. It also always led me right back into pornography during periods where I had stopped. I don't want to indulge lust and I don't want anymore porn, so for me, the masturbation just had to go.
The urges were incredible, and there were nights where I couldn't sleep, or had dreams that I could not share here, but after it got worse, it got easier.
I would recommend to anybody to at least try stopping for a few months, going until the point where it seems unbearable, and continuing just a bit further to see the other side. Now I realize that by feeding my urges, I was only making them stronger. Now, the urges are still there, but they are weaker than when I began.
And I feel that much closer to God for it all. I love God so much for helping me realize that I don't need porn or masturbation to function as a normal human being, despite what so many people around me have been telling me. I just hope that people who feel convicted about masturbation aren't discouraged by so many of the posts I see in this thread. If it's in your heart that you shouldn't be doing it, who are you arguing with? Not us. It's God talking to you. Run with that feeling and set yourself free.
It is so hard. I know the pain. I've tried and failed dozens of times, but please don't quit. The other side is so beautiful, and it is so worth it.
The body does NOT need masturbation to function properly. That's a lie. It will take care of itself as it gets adjusted. The longer the habit, the longer it might take to get adjusted, but it can, and it will.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2006 12:22:47 PM
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Thank God Dustbuster you are a Man of God!!
You have given me motivation and inspiration in your post. Please post here or in the mens forum more often.
Your a figher instead of a conformist or a lukewarm excuse maker. I love that. A Man of the LORD.
Everything you said is so very much true. We don't need none of this. What we need is Christ. Without Him we can't fuction at all. We dont' need to be some body loving gratifiers but Men of the Living God who loved us so much He gave us the Power of the Spirit of Truth inside of us.
Its been so long since I have had someone to give me motivation. I have seen so many complacent and compromise Christians who always have an excuse of how this is just so natural for us to do with God. Its a Lie!
More than conquors thats what we need to be. Let the World know we can still conquor sin, death and Hell by the way we behave in Christ.
As I said please post more often. You motivated me!
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2006 7:10:59 PM
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Ok guys, I remembered I had saw something in scripture that may have to do with this topic but I don´t fully understand it.
Please take the time to read Leviticus 15 carefully and let me know what you think about it.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=3&chapter=15&version=31&context=chapter
The text doesn´t really say if that "emission" that it´s talking about corresponds to masturbation or a wet dream (could be both), but what surprises me is that it calls it "impurity" but puts it at the same level with the woman´s period. Of course that God won´t take a woman´s period for a sin, but is it the same with the other bodily emission??
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2006 11:12:26 PM
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I would like to just take a second and say that Rebelman, NdebatedForGod, and others who are calling people who don't agree with them "immature" in the faith and ungodly to stop. You guys are acting like the Pharisees and Jesus warned us of thinking we're mighty and high. You guys have provided ZERO scriptural support for your arguements. I have given time to read the whole thread, and the past 18 pages or so are disturbing to say the least. Who are you to judgge who is godly or not in something that scripture DOESN'T even condemn.
Rebleman you said,
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Your a figher instead of a conformist or a lukewarm excuse maker.
Excuse maker? You and otehrs act like you are omniscient and know our thoughts. YOU DON'T! I have been searching if neutral masturbation is a sin and have been searching for answers, and scripture doesn't mention it. The anti-M stance makes you feel that you are filthy and a horrible sinner WITHOUT any scripture support. I'm retty sure the Bible mentions it being a sin to condemn something that's not a sin.
Cool it guys, no need to cast judgement on whose righteous and a "godly" person and who is not, becasue many of the Christians here have presented solid cases for their beliefs without avoiding scripture.
The only advice I can give people who are searching for answers, Pray and feast on the word of God. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, and pray about this issue. Pastors diver on this issue, and scripture is silent on the issue.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 12:21:29 AM
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Calling a sin a sin is not casting judgment. Nobody has condemned anybody. Only God has the power to do that.
Lust, murder, lying, idolatry...it's all sin, and we point it out to each other, not to act like we're better than anybody else, but so that we can support each other, and rise above our problems together. We can accomplish so much more as a team than we can on our own.
It's hard to be told that something we enjoy doing may be sinful...but guess what? Sin often feels good. If sin never offered any amount of earthly pleasure, it wouldn't be a struggle at all.
As far as scripture, I don't need to get into the arguments over verses on masturbation itself. Lust is more than enough for me. I can't speak for anybody else, but I personally and completely unable to separate masturbation from lust. I've tried. And I would rather let it go. Is it radical? Heck yeah. But so was cleaning out most of my DVD collection. None of it was porn, but so much of it was just an excuse to feed my lust. I had to let it go. And I'm still struggling with television.
I'm not claiming to be better than anyone else. I've got tons of sin in my life, both related to lust, and completely unrelated stuff that would be off-topic in this thread.
Forget about comparing yourself to others, or what others think of you. Focusing on the horizontal only steers us away from the vertical. There's only one thing you need to ask yourself, with the deepest honesty of your heart?
Am I indulging lust? Not adultery, not premarital sex, not pornography.
IS THIS LUST?
Second, even if it wasn't lust, I would still feel so much better without it anyway. I want to be in the state of mind where I only look to one single place for gratification- my wife (well, at least if I ever manage to get one). I want that to be totally dependant on my relationship with her, and I want that to be something that holds us together. I don't want my wife to be one of my options for gratification. I want her to BE THE gratification. Not porn, not other women, not movies, not even my own hand.
Can you imagine how incredibly deep a bond that would be? Just the thought of that time coming warms my heart. Masturbation might warm my body, but it can't warm my heart. Not like waiting.
People lose intimacy with their spouses when they turn elsewhere for satisfaction. What difference does it make if it's your hand or your secretary? When things are rough with your spouse, why wait? Just get it for yourself. She's not in the mood? That's okay, just take care of it yourself.
I'd rather wait for her, because it will mean so much more. And God will hold me while I wait, whether I'm single or married.
I yearn for the sacrifice.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 1:45:35 AM
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Do you? ?
I do.
But...masturbation without lust or porn doesn't violate any of the given sexual immorality the Bible provides.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 7:23:13 AM
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That is yet to have been proven.
Answer this Question:
SO: Who Here accepts this logic: "All things not mentioned in scripture can be catagorized as sin or not sin by princibles in God's word"?
- I do. And, LivingForChrist07 also accepts this logic.
Do you?
By the way, what I am doing is called "establishing a common ground." Here's a quote from one of my textbooks...
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"Under What Conditions does argument work best? ...
4. Common Ground. Effective argument requires a community of minds that is achieved through common lanugage and the establishment of some common ground that is relevant to the issue. ... they need to share some background, values, and views to make communication possible. ... Common ground may be established through the discovery of common interests, common ideas, motives, or values ... As soon as two parties realize they have something in common, they can more easily achieve identification, even if it is minimal, and engage in constructive arguement."
If: we can establish a common ground belief and accepted logic that:
1.) "All things not mentioned in scripture can be catagorized as sin or not sin by princibles in God's word"
2.) A specific reference or mention of the word "masturbation" is not nessesary to catagorize masturbation as sin.
Then: We can start argueing constructively about "What princibles in God's word help catagorize masturbation as sin?"
Instead of: Each side declares that masturbation is or isn't sin, and both sides repeat that masturbation is not specifically mentioned in scripture. This makes the entire argument futile and pointless, like the last 18 pages of this thread.
So for everyone here: Do you accept the logic that: "All things not mentioned in scripture can be catagorized as sin or not sin by princibles in God's word"?
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Hey, if it's not in the rules, it's not a sin.
Or...Masterbation is a sin....if certain conditions apply?
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