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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 9:24:28 AM
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Ndebted2GOD
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I would like to just take a second and say that Rebelman, NdebatedForGod, and others who are calling people who don't agree with them "immature" in the faith and ungodly to stop. You guys are acting like the Pharisees and Jesus warned us of thinking we're mighty and high. You guys have provided ZERO scriptural support for your arguements. I have given time to read the whole thread, and the past 18 pages or so are disturbing to say the least. Who are you to judgge who is godly or not in something that scripture DOESN'T even condemn.
Rebleman you said,
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Your a figher instead of a conformist or a lukewarm excuse maker.
Excuse maker? You and otehrs act like you are omniscient and know our thoughts. YOU DON'T! I have been searching if neutral masturbation is a sin and have been searching for answers, and scripture doesn't mention it. The anti-M stance makes you feel that you are filthy and a horrible sinner WITHOUT any scripture support. I'm retty sure the Bible mentions it being a sin to condemn something that's not a sin.
Cool it guys, no need to cast judgement on whose righteous and a "godly" person and who is not, becasue many of the Christians here have presented solid cases for their beliefs without avoiding scripture.
The only advice I can give people who are searching for answers, Pray and feast on the word of God. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, and pray about this issue. Pastors diver on this issue, and scripture is silent on the issue.
I think that if you review my previous posts, I have stated that the physical act of masturbation is, in my most humble opinion, not sin. However, I do not believe that it is something that we can do without it affecting us at the spirit and soul level. It therefore, becomes something more than just physical. If you don't agree with me on this point, so be it. However, I do not think that I've written anything that should be considered judgemental. Just as it appears you have been offended by what you think we said, I have been offended by being called a pharisee. Oftentimes, judgement is a two way street and we are wise to realize that in our haste to "defend" our beliefs we may sometimes come off as judgemental. If that is the case here and you have felt that my posts have been judgemental, I apologize for them.
I agree with whatloveis in regard to scripture not being all inclusive when it comes to detailing each and every sin. It is our responsibility to know the Father and in that knowing we will know His nature and will. With this knowing we can then interpret and extrapolate from scripture His commands, requirements, and desires for us. Scripture cannot cover every single sin for if it tried to do this man would come up with something outside of "the rules" and would feel free to indulge in this new sin. God is intentionally vague on many issues to force us into relationship with Him in order to discern His will in our lives.
If Paul had named his thorn in the flesh, how many people today would feel honored to have the same affliction that Paul had. They'd think, "Oh, look at me....I have the same affliction that Paul had, I must be doing something right. God must really be proud of me." Those who suffer from something else might say, "if I only had the thorn that Paul had, I could be holy too. I guess God doesn't think much of me."
Do you see where specifics in scripture can be perverted and contorted to not mean what God wants them to mean? God leaves much to generalities because of man's ability to totally pervert the knowledge that we've been given.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 9:45:09 AM
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Excuse maker? You and otehrs act like you are omniscient and know our thoughts. YOU DON'T! I have been searching if neutral masturbation is a sin and have been searching for answers, and scripture doesn't mention it. The anti-M stance makes you feel that you are filthy and a horrible sinner WITHOUT any scripture support. I'm retty sure the Bible mentions it being a sin to condemn something that's not a sin.
Cool it guys, no need to cast judgement on whose righteous and a "godly" person and who is not, becasue many of the Christians here have presented solid cases for their beliefs without avoiding scripture.
The only advice I can give people who are searching for answers, Pray and feast on the word of God. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, and pray about this issue. Pastors diver on this issue, and scripture is silent on the issue.
Let me give an example. Lets say I have problems with anger. And I decide after so long when I for some reason can't control it that it is officially no longer a sin in my life. Would this be good to say? None whatsoever.
And i was praising Dustbuster for giving me motivation. Is that a violation or something?
Do you feel God while you are doing it because I sure haven't. My Spirit grieves every single time I have done this therefore somebody telling me this is not a sin will never work.
We are suppose to crucify the flesh not gratify it. If we got something with it and it does not spring forth love and Godliness then we need God to start working away on us. Even when the going gets tough fight harder.
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It's hard to be told that something we enjoy doing may be sinful...but guess what? Sin often feels good. If sin never offered any amount of earthly pleasure, it wouldn't be a struggle at all
That holds up very truthfully. Nobody likes being told there behavior isn't God pleasing because carnality sets in to rebel against it. But as everyone noticed I'd rather offend man than offend God. I'm definetly taken a hard bold stand against this behavior.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 10:04:44 AM
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Ok guys, I remembered I had saw something in scripture that may have to do with this topic but I don´t fully understand it.
Please take the time to read Leviticus 15 carefully and let me know what you think about it.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=3&chapter=15&version=31&context=chapter
The text doesn´t really say if that "emission" that it´s talking about corresponds to masturbation or a wet dream (could be both), but what surprises me is that it calls it "impurity" but puts it at the same level with the woman´s period. Of course that God won´t take a woman´s period for a sin, but is it the same with the other bodily emission??
I have always argued that this passage doesn't refer to masturbation and could in fact be associated with wet dreams, ejaculation during intercourse or masturbation. However, in the interest of "scholarly" objectivity  I decided to do some research on this issue (sorry about the pun...you'll get it when you read Leviticus 15)
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Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, When any man has an issue from his flesh; he is unclean because of his issue. And this shall be his uncleanness in his issue. His flesh has run with his issue, or his flesh is ceased from his issue, it is his uncleanness.
(Lev 15:2-3 MKJV)
Say to the children of Israel: If a man has an unclean flow from his flesh, it will make him unclean. If the flow goes on or if the part is stopped up, to keep back the flow, he is still unclean.
(Lev 15:2-3 BBE)
to say to the community of Israel: Any man with an infected penis is unclean, whether it is stopped up or keeps dripping.
(Lev 15:2-3 CEV)
When I looked at the different translations of this passage, I became intrigued by it's meaning. After some research, it seems that this is not referring to ejaculation but to a condition called "running of the reins" or more commonlly known as "gonorrhoea". This would make alot more sense in the context of uncleanness than the normal, physical act of ejaculation.
John Wesley describes this issue as:
A running issue — Commonly called the running of the reins, a grievous and loathsome disease, which is generally the consequence of sin.
http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=wes&b=3&c=15
Heartlight's Search God's Word defines this running issue as "running of the reins."
http://www.searchgodsword.org/com/tsk/view.cgi?book=le&chapter=015
There are many non-biblical uses of this term in life of Shakespeare, Don Quiote and other places. The term running of the reins is certainly a very viable option for the "uncleanness" found in Levicus 15.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 12:27:12 PM
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Verses 2 and 3 are probably addressing an infection. However you must look at verse 16. That is clearly speaking of ejaculation. In verse 18 it says the same uncleanness exists for a husband and wife having normal relations.
There is a big difference between ceremonial uncleanness and sin. Jesus touched dead bodies on more than one occasion to raise them from the dead, rendering himself unclean. Contact with a corpse or anything touching a corpse caused the worst kind of uncleanness that only the ashes of the red heifer could cleanse. He was without sin.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2006 4:36:40 PM
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DaveW,
You're correct, I should have read a little further.  However, with a little more study I found the following exerpt from Ray Stedman of Peninsula Bible Church. It is a very good insight into the meaning of this passage from Leviticus while also explaining the reason for God's calling certain things unclean. Very interesting reading and I'll include the web link after the quote.
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There was a second type of discharge which was concerned with sexuality, Verses 16-18:
"And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening." (Leviticus 15:16-18 RSV)
Here we are dealing with married sex. It would be a great mistake to judge from this passage that the Bible suggests in any way that sex in marriage is immoral or wrong. This is simply God's reminder of the pollution of nature, of the fact that the nature of humanity is fallen and that man cannot solve his problems himself. He desperately needs a Savior. And he passes on to his children the same fallen, twisted nature and propensities which he himself is born with.
We who are parents know how this has proved true. When our children were born we looked at them in their innocence and felt deeply within ourselves, "I can teach this child how to avoid all the mistakes that I have made. I can pass on the wisdom which I have accumulated through the years. If I watch very carefully I can teach him how to live and how to avoid having to go through what I am going through." Yet it never works out that way because, though we can help them in certain ways and give them counsel and guidance, nevertheless they will have to make some of the same mistakes that we made. Their nature is just as twisted and they will be just as blind to counsel from their elders as we were at their age. They will pay no more attention to good moral precepts and standards than we did. They will go right ahead and make the same blunders even though they are warned in advance. Even though they recognize that what they are going to do is wrong they will still do it. Life is continually confirming this great fundamental fact which the Scriptures set before us -- that there is something wrong with nature.
So all that God is doing here when he says that the act of sex results in an uncleanness until evening is simply reminding us that man is a fallen creature and that he must deal with that problem realistically. He can't avoid it. There is no way that he can eliminate it himself. God must handle it, and God has handled it. There is only one way it can be handled -- the redemptive intervention of God -- and if it isn't handled that way there is no escape from the defilement and the destruction of humanity which will follow. So God reminds us that even in the act of sex which results in conception there is a fallen nature involved.
http://www.raystedman.org/leviticus/0515.html
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2006 6:44:24 AM
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SO: Who Here accepts this logic: "All things not mentioned in scripture can be catagorized as sin or not sin by princibles in God's word"?
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I don't. Some things, many things, possibly most things, but not all things. Many things must be defined or catagorized for the individual by the Holy Spirit. Thats all I'm going to say here about this as it is off the thread topic.
Masterbation is a serious matter, but more serious for some than others. The reasons behind it are as important as the actual act it'self.
The old line about sin being sin and all sin being equel is narrow minded legalistic foolishness.
Granted sin is sin but not all sin is equel.
I'm not saying it is, but if we assume masterbation is a sin it hurts our relationship with God. However if we
indulge in fornication or adultry we involve others in our sin and therefore multiply sin.
Murder is definatly a sin,Right? conspiricy to commit murder is sin multiplied.
Stealing is a sin right? When we acidently pocket a pen (I do this sometimes) that is stealing in the true sence of the word. How ever it cannot be compared to knocking down an old Lady and taking the last dollar she has in this world. Or stealing an Identity and devisating lives.
So let's try to keep this in perspective as we discuss it Ok???
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2006 5:21:22 PM
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I started to respond earlier today but it was getting away from the intent of this thread. I don't believe that whatloveis is saying there are three types of activities.
1. Those mentioned in scripture as being sin.
2. Those mentioned in scripture as being not sin.
3. Those not mentioned in scripture so they are sin.
He is saying that in order to know if something is sin you can't always look at the rule book under a particular sin heading and find it. You must know who wrote the book and His desires and attributes. When you know Him who is, you can know what is disobedience and what is acceptable.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2006 7:46:29 PM
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Well, this is my two cents. Masterbation can be divided into 2 groups: Lustful masterbation, and masterbation without lust, which IS possible, at least for me. Since lustful masterbation has lust, then it is obviously a sin. Lustless masterbation is a bit more trickier. Some say it defiles and makes unpure of the body, and not something that Jesus would like us to be doing. Others say that since there is no mention of it in the bible it is not a sin, among other arguaments. For me, even if I did masterbate without lust, I still feel a bit iffy, and I do not know why. It could be Gods way of telling me not to do it, or it could not be.
I just saw this thread and have not read it yet. I will reply to the first response.
It seems like almost every possible sin is mentioned somewhere in the bible. Some specific things, which have come along with technology perhaps, even still fall into some already existing biblical principle. Masturbation certainly would not fall into that category, as I am pretty sure it has been around just about as long as people. If it were that important of an issue, I think it would have gotten a mention in scripture.
I think it falls more into the bad habit category. Like biting your nails. And it is sort of an adolescent behavior.
And it does not even seem to be a big issue until the Victorian era. I could be wrong.
Some of the guilt could be simply from your parents telling you not to do it.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2006 7:54:43 PM
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I like to make sure that everything I do, I would do in front of Jesus, in a physical sense. Now, that does nto include masturbation. Obviously I would not want to be masturbating in front of Jesus. Although He is watching from above, He is not here physically. If I saw Jesus physically when I come to physically pleasure myself (with or without lust) then I would definately stop.
From that perspective (I am not married) but I would stop having sex with my wife, or going to the bathroom, but they aren’t sins. :shrug:
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 1:45:34 AM
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The preists involvment is for the security and santification of the marriage bed. Plus it would have helped curb a over active sex drive when you had to call in the preist every time you do it.
This statement seems a bit contrary to God's commandment to His people, "be fruitful and multiply."
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 1:51:02 AM
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Actualy there are a few other reasons for this unclean commandment. There must also be a washing of bed cloths and personal clothing. There are phyisical and instinctual resons as well.
A mans seed can live on the open for several minutes under the right conditions and all it takes is one
Diseases and conditions ,not to mention unwanted body lice infestations can be transmitted trough these soiled clothes
Another thing is that both men and women secreet pheromones in their sweat and body fluids.
Though many cannot smell them they trigger sexual desire and they last under some conditions for hours. Kind of like sex begats sex. So unwashed clothing, bodies and linens can trigger more sexual desires in those who have had sex and possibly others who might enter the room after they're done.
If the problem here is that unwashed skin, clothing, bed linens and anything else that semen touched is unclean then why the commandment that the person is unclean until evening...even after washing. It's not just a physical declaration by God to protect from lice, pheremones, and transmission of bacteria.
That's all I will say in this thread on this topic as we are straying off course.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 1:59:29 AM
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I like to make sure that everything I do, I would do in front of Jesus, in a physical sense. Now, that does nto include masturbation. Obviously I would not want to be masturbating in front of Jesus. Although He is watching from above, He is not here physically. If I saw Jesus physically when I come to physically pleasure myself (with or without lust) then I would definately stop.
From that perspective (I am not married) but I would stop having sex with my wife, or going to the bathroom, but they aren’t sins. :shrug:
What many fail to realize is that Christ is here "in the flesh" to see everything that we do. Read my signature line, "I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me." If you are a believer in Christ, then He is with you 24/7/365 and sees all....hears all......knows all that you do, say and think. God is not ashamed of you when you relieve yourself in the restroom. He designed your body to eliminate waste and you are using His design when doing this. He isn't ashamed of you when you are sexually intimate with your wife as He has created this activity for the procreation of the world and for the binding together of two creatures into one.
His presence in our life is the reason why after we sin, we immediately are convicted of this sin.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 6:30:14 AM
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He isn't ashamed of you when you are sexually intimate with your wife as He has created this activity for the procreation of the world and for the binding together of two creatures into one.
Hit the nail on the head!!! Sex was created for the purpose of procreating. Our sexual desires are so God didn't have to command us to have sex. Unfortunatly we for the most part have used it for our own pleasure.
That's all I'm going to say about that 
Masterbation?? Why would God want you to do it????? ever ask that question?????
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 7:41:25 AM
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If the problem here is that unwashed skin, clothing, bed linens and anything else that semen touched is unclean then why the commandment that the person is unclean until evening...even after washing.
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By this logic, I assume your wife has a menstrual hut and you don't touch her while she is on her period.
This sounds more like Orthodox Judaism than Christianity to me.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 7:56:04 AM
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He isn't ashamed of you when you are sexually intimate with your wife as He has created this activity for the procreation of the world and for the binding together of two creatures into one.
Hit the nail on the head!!! Sex was created for the purpose of procreating. Our sexual desires are so God didn't have to command us to have sex. Unfortunatly we for the most part have used it for our own pleasure.
That's all I'm going to say about that
OK, true, sex is for procreation. But is that ALL it's for?
I am not pro-masturbation or anything, I have already said I think it's more of just a bad habit.
But food was created for nourishment. So, is eating a piece of candy sin? From your perceptive, one could conclude it is because it has no nutrition and so is clearly a misuse. Or, perhaps, eating is also created for enjoyment, not just for procreation, and having some empty calories on occasion does not 'make Jesus ashamed of you', even though it may not be the best choice.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 8:03:22 AM
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What many fail to realize is that Christ is here "in the flesh" to see everything that we do. Read my signature line, "I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me." If you are a believer in Christ, then He is with you 24/7/365 and sees all....hears all......knows all that you do, say and think.
Well I agree with that 100%.
But you further assume that all masterbation is always sin, which Jesus would be ashamed of. And that, I think, is what is still being debated here.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2006 10:30:26 AM
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I have been convicted of this time and time again so obviously God says it is a sin to me. So that it will always will be.
As of a few days ago I am undergoing a starvation. I hope I yall have me in yalls prayers because I am starving these behaviors out of me. I have fought off more than 20 temptations in the last 3 days and I have resisted all of them.
I know with Christ on my side I can get through this critical period. I have felt stronger in the LORD, I have felt the Spirit again roaming inside me. I feel so much better without this in my life.
And I am going to walk right through the storm with the Spirit directing me not my carnality.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/20/2006 9:53:23 AM
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MOVIE TIME
Watch This: FREE MASTURBATION MOVIE
Go to: http://www.pureonline.com/video-news04-18-06.aspx
(*requires micromedia player, works best with high speed)
It's a message from Kenny Luck the Director of Every Man's Battle Ministries and pastor of Saddleback Church.
He outlines in practical and theological terms both why masturbation is sin and unhealthy AND steps to take to stop avoiding masturbation.
Dude,
What are you doing awake at 3:05 am making a post here. Have you ever heard of sleep deprivation?
Also, you'd proabably get alot of google hits if the title of this thread was, "Free Masturbation Movie".
Guess, I need some more sleep also.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/20/2006 9:55:52 AM
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I have been convicted of this time and time again so obviously God says it is a sin to me. So that it will always will be.
As of a few days ago I am undergoing a starvation. I hope I yall have me in yalls prayers because I am starving these behaviors out of me. I have fought off more than 20 temptations in the last 3 days and I have resisted all of them.
I know with Christ on my side I can get through this critical period. I have felt stronger in the LORD, I have felt the Spirit again roaming inside me. I feel so much better without this in my life.
And I am going to walk right through the storm with the Spirit directing me not my carnality.
Rebelman,
I admire your convictions here and wish you the very best. I'm sure that you're praying and worshipping so I am not worried about that but you need to make sure that you replace the impure behavior with plenty of nourishment. Don't assume that it has to be bible reading, prayer, meditation or worship. You can make sure that you have a wholesome hobby that will keep you far from the boundary that you've set.
Blessings.
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I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf. Gal. 2:20
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 4/20/2006 10:03:27 AM
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Ndebted2GOD
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ORIGINAL: Bas
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If the problem here is that unwashed skin, clothing, bed linens and anything else that semen touched is unclean then why the commandment that the person is unclean until evening...even after washing.
By this logic, I assume your wife has a menstrual hut and you don't touch her while she is on her period.
This sounds more like Orthodox Judaism than Christianity to me.
You're absolutely correct that this sounds more like orthodox Judaism than christianity. However, I'm not the one endorsing this.
The point of the quote that was included in my post was that the ceremonial uncleanness was more spiritual than practical. Do I believe that many of the rules and regulations God set up for the Israelites had medical, humanitarian, practical, or other forms of positive benefits? Yes, I do. This rule may or may not have had these benefits. What it did serve to do was exactly what Ray Stedman said,
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So all that God is doing here when he says that the act of sex results in an uncleanness until evening is simply reminding us that man is a fallen creature and that he must deal with that problem realistically. He can't avoid it. There is no way that he can eliminate it himself. God must handle it, and God has handled it. There is only one way it can be handled -- the redemptive intervention of God -- and if it isn't handled that way there is no escape from the defilement and the destruction of humanity which will follow. So God reminds us that even in the act of sex which results in conception there is a fallen nature involved.
I'll not discount any other outward benefits, but I was putting the spiritual element out for the common good.
Blessings.
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I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf. Gal. 2:20
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