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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 2:12:34 PM
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Jonah80229
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I really think you are making a big deal out of this. I think if you are doing it a lot its a symtom of something deeper. I you just say I am going to quit doing in that is not going to fix the problem. I am someone that has done it a considerable amount in a day. Its just medication and medication that does not work...I will say its good feeling. That is about all.
If you think that is going to not do it more power to you.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 2:24:45 PM
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Ndebted2GOD
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If you don't mind me asking...... what is your goal?
My goal is to stop completely. People think I set high standards and they are right. I set very high standards. I expect nothing but the best out of myself. I don't go for the settled for life.
I'd rather suffer trying than being a quitter. Being a quitter isn't in the bloodline of Christ.
People make up the dumbest excuses for this and I started too for a while. But I realize that this is unglorfying. If I was to tell an unbeliever that this action is done there goes one saved soul.
Then since Jesus is my example I set myself on. I know He does not approve of this or I would not keep getting convicted. The seed is sacrid to God and us spilling it everywhere for our own selfishness really isn't loving.
Therefore I shoot for His Righteousness. I know the Spirit in me is stronger than I am. And me and the LORD together can accomplish anything (Isaiah 40:31)
The ministry of Evangelism Explosion teaches it's students to ask two questions:
1. If you were to die this minute would you go to heaven?
2. If God were to ask you, "why should I let you into my heaven?" What would you say?
The second question usually gets to the root of a persons heart. Usually, the answers are like; " I was a good person " , " I went to church " , " I gave to the poor ", or " I am a christian ", etc.... Rarely do you get the correct answer.
When I asked you what your goal was, I was attempting to solicit the same type of response.
In this day and age, men look at their sin in a microscope and think that because of this one sin their eternal destiny is in jeopardy. It becomes a 2 ton elephant sitting on their shoulders and will not allow them to see the God who loves them "unconditionally" and has forgive "all" their sin.
You said that your goal was to stop completely. I think that many men here would say the same thing. When our goal becomes, " I want to know Christ more completely and allow Him to live fully in me, to live fully in Him and allow Him to direct my every step, word and action " , then I believe that we will see more men set free from the bondage of satan. The word tells us, "don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21
We must run to Christ for freedom from all sin, (face it, if you didn't look at porn and masturbate, you'd still have sin in your life) and allow Him to control our every action.
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I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf. Gal. 2:20
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 5:26:20 PM
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Cjoyful
you resist you get more temptations than normal. Don't have to be all snappy about it.First off no I did not count every one I had. I was just giving an in general statement that when
Secondly, I am not obsessed with changing myself. I am letting the Spirit in me change me. I realized that a long while back apart from Him I cannot change. That In Him I can change. That is what I am doing. Not the other way around.
This behavior shall be defeated. It does not glorify God. People act as if the LORD can't see them doing it. We are the temple and I can't imagine the temple loving this.
After you resist for so long it can be attainable but if it keeps getting broken you have to restart all over again.
But I know by the Power of the Living God I will attain my goal and the LORD will help me every step of the way!!
Dear Rebelman,
I apologize that you thought I was being "snappy", I was not, it just struck me very hard, for I am believing your written words. How am I suppose to know that you were being "general" in your statement.
I took it quite literal, for the words were quite specific. So I must say it is not my fault that I read more into it, than you intended, for the words spoke for themselves. So I see it was a grammar issue.
Look I understand what you are trying to say, I had worse sexual perversities and the Lord helped me to be honest with myself, and helped me to hate them. I despised myself, but it was only Pride. That was who I was, plain and simple. But the LORD puts the desire in us to WANT to be HOLY, but sometimes we must actually see, how much we really love sin before He will take it away.
So keep on the track you are on if you believe you are being lead by the LORD. But just watch out the LORD's dealings with each and every individual is not a METHOD. Especially some of these "Step programs". These I strongly urge to stay away from, for they are not of the Lord. Compare the step programs with God's word, and you will see how "differently" the Lord dealt with each individual. There was NO METHOD, NO STEP program. I've been there and did that, and it can really screw people up. Some of it is Mind control, mentoring, these are not Biblical in their foundations, but are from mens minds and their flesh.
I hope this explanation helps you to see, why I stated what I stated.
The Lord bless you.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 5:38:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: rebelman
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If you don't mind me asking...... what is your goal?
My goal is to stop completely. People think I set high standards and they are right. I set very high standards. I expect nothing but the best out of myself. I don't go for the settled for life.
I'd rather suffer trying than being a quitter. Being a quitter isn't in the bloodline of Christ.
People make up the dumbest excuses for this and I started too for a while. But I realize that this is unglorfying. If I was to tell an unbeliever that this action is done there goes one saved soul.
Then since Jesus is my example I set myself on. I know He does not approve of this or I would not keep getting convicted. The seed is sacrid to God and us spilling it everywhere for our own selfishness really isn't loving.
Therefore I shoot for His Righteousness. I know the Spirit in me is stronger than I am. And me and the LORD together can accomplish anything (Isaiah 40:31)
The ministry of Evangelism Explosion teaches it's students to ask two questions:
1. If you were to die this minute would you go to heaven?
2. If God were to ask you, "why should I let you into my heaven?" What would you say?
The second question usually gets to the root of a persons heart. Usually, the answers are like; " I was a good person " , " I went to church " , " I gave to the poor ", or " I am a christian ", etc.... Rarely do you get the correct answer.
When I asked you what your goal was, I was attempting to solicit the same type of response.
In this day and age, men look at their sin in a microscope and think that because of this one sin their eternal destiny is in jeopardy. It becomes a 2 ton elephant sitting on their shoulders and will not allow them to see the God who loves them "unconditionally" and has forgive "all" their sin.
You said that your goal was to stop completely. I think that many men here would say the same thing. When our goal becomes, " I want to know Christ more completely and allow Him to live fully in me, to live fully in Him and allow Him to direct my every step, word and action " , then I believe that we will see more men set free from the bondage of satan. The word tells us, "don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21
We must run to Christ for freedom from all sin, (face it, if you didn't look at porn and masturbate, you'd still have sin in your life) and allow Him to control our every action.
I feel that it's all about doing your best in life, I have seen some posts here where some men here admitted that they were free for a few months, then are now back to day one...at least they are making an ATTEMPT.
And God can commend that.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 6:46:19 PM
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Ndebted2GOD
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I applaud guys on here who are "attempting" to become free from sexual immorality. The issue is not whether or not they are doing the right thing by wanting to eliminate this junk from their life. The issue is how they are doing it. In my life, and the life of many men that I've spoken with, when God becomes the center and the goal then the bondage of sin is more easily broken. If you set up being clean from sexual impurity as the goal you make that more important than God.
Seek God. Trust Him. Cling to Him. He will provide the way. You follow Him.
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Why one thread - 5/5/2006 11:30:46 AM
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I do not understand why we have to do one thread. What is the problem. Pardon me that I am pushing the system. What is the big deal if this is something someone wants to talk about other then searching through pages of responces years ago. I know there are other issues in my life too. Its like all these people cannot talk about something that is in front of them.
Since we are all over the place I do not think anyone really care where, who, or what we are. I think there is one person who can connect my username with my person. I do not really care.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/5/2006 7:27:45 PM
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2. If God were to ask you, "why should I let you into my heaven?" What would you say?
Wait what? So now works is how we attain salvation? This is unscriptural. There is nothing I do that can make me worthy to enter heaven. All my works are filthy rags. However, when God looks at me He sees Jesus in my sins place.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/6/2006 11:12:20 AM
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NDebted2God
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In this day and age, men look at their sin in a microscope and think that because of this one sin their eternal destiny is in jeopardy. It becomes a 2 ton elephant sitting on their shoulders and will not allow them to see the God who loves them "unconditionally" and has forgive "all" their sin.
You said that your goal was to stop completely. I think that many men here would say the same thing. When our goal becomes, " I want to know Christ more completely and allow Him to live fully in me, to live fully in Him and allow Him to direct my every step, word and action " , then I believe that we will see more men set free from the bondage of satan. The word tells us, "don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21
We must run to Christ for freedom from all sin, (face it, if you didn't look at porn and masturbate, you'd still have sin in your life) and allow Him to control our every action.
Allowing Him to control my actions will lead to a more pure life. You see I realize that alone I cannot defeat anything. But I know I can produce the Spirits highest ability if I just let the Spirit of Truty direct my life. I know in my heart I will accomplish my goal.
The LORD puts these burning flames inside me to defeat evil. And I know by the power of the LORD on my side I can defeat anything that diminishes the power of satan in my life and maybe even have others defeat the evil one in their lives.
That right there brings the LORD highest glory and honor.
Cjoyful
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I apologize that you thought I was being "snappy", I was not, it just struck me very hard, for I am believing your written words. How am I suppose to know that you were being "general" in your statement.
I took it quite literal, for the words were quite specific. So I must say it is not my fault that I read more into it, than you intended, for the words spoke for themselves. So I see it was a grammar issue.
Its alright. I was just trying to make an example that when you fight sin at first youi get attacked harder. Which does in fact occur.
And yes the LORD leads me into all Truth. I wouldn't even be able to understand the Word unless I had the helper and comforter inside me to direct my paths and make mine upright and straight and not on the wrong paths.
Jonah,
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I do not understand why we have to do one thread. What is the problem. Pardon me that I am pushing the system. What is the big deal if this is something someone wants to talk about other then searching through pages of responces years ago. I know there are other issues in my life too. Its like all these people cannot talk about something that is in front of them.
First, this is called uplifting and strenthing the Body of Christ so why did you say what is the point of anything? Would it be better not to speak at all?
I have no problem speaking out on anything. Especially when something is consistently weighing on my heart and brings no glory whatsoever to the LORD to saved us in the first place.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/6/2006 6:15:31 PM
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Ndebted2GOD
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2. If God were to ask you, "why should I let you into my heaven?" What would you say?
Wait what? So now works is how we attain salvation? This is unscriptural. There is nothing I do that can make me worthy to enter heaven. All my works are filthy rags. However, when God looks at me He sees Jesus in my sins place.
Had you taken the time to finish reading the thread you'd realized that this question is designed to pull that information out of people who believe that works is the way to heaven. Not once have I ever said that we can "do" anything to get to heaven, except in our acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/9/2006 10:46:11 PM
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Had you taken the time to finish reading the thread you'd realized that this question is designed to pull that information out of people who believe that works is the way to heaven.
Sorry, sounded from that number two question that's what you meant. My apologies.
I need a few of you guys to pray for my purity, Ndebted2God, WhatloveIs, Rebleman, and anyone else who wants to pray.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/10/2006 10:11:32 AM
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Ndebted2GOD
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Had you taken the time to finish reading the thread you'd realized that this question is designed to pull that information out of people who believe that works is the way to heaven.
Sorry, sounded from that number two question that's what you meant. My apologies.
I need a few of you guys to pray for my purity, Ndebted2God, WhatloveIs, Rebleman, and anyone else who wants to pray.
No problem, I'm sure we've all done the same thing on these threads at some point. You can be assured that I am saying a prayer for you right now. Thanks for asking for this support. Many men try ot John Wayne it and think that they are tough enough to beat temptation on their own. Only in Christ's strength will we win the battle over sin in our life. Be still, trust Him and watch Him do great things in your life.
Blessings.
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I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf. Gal. 2:20
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/17/2006 11:48:58 PM
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Just wanted to update. It's been more than 3 months since I started with Setting Captives Free, and I'm still going strong. The physical urges have dropped down so much. I never imagined that it was possible, and I'm sure that many caught in the middle of it feel the same way. All I can say is that you can't rely on how you feel right now and have faith that the other side really does exist.
For anybody going through this, please hang in there.
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Doctor's Orders - 5/19/2006 12:46:17 AM
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I did a search for the word "doctor" on this thread and it returned no results, so I don't think I'm duplicating...
K, here goes. First, I am married and have a great "intimate" life...so there is no need for masturbation, even though we don't have sex EVERY day.
HOWEVER, when talking with my family physician one time, he had told me he thought there was something up with my prostate gland, and that I should ejaculate at least 3 times / week. I was thinking about that "one week" that we typically don't have sex, so I asked "What if the wifey doesn't want to cooperate?"
He said, "Well, sometimes you may have to 'take matters into your own hands'"
That was pretty direct...and legitimately a health issue. So, I have often wondered IF I did masturbate during "that week", IF it would be considered sinful. Personally, I don't think so, cuz it was doctor's orders. Thankfully it is a non-issue with miss wifey, so no worries....but if she ever gets uncooperative on me, then I may have to consider all of this.
What do you think? IF it were doctor's orders for YOU, would it still be a sin, given that it is a sin at all of course, which I doubt, but I digress...
Here's wishing for my continued wonderful "thing going on" with the wifey! lol. Oh I wish every man were so lucky, and then this thread would barely exist (for married men at least.)
On a side note, we have been together since I was 16 & she was 15. We had protected sex then, and we married at ages 19/18....now THERE is a topic for sin....BUT it has all worked out nicely, thanks be to God. Heck, I knew even at that young age that we would marry, so I didn't see it as a big deal back then, although my mama would say otherwise LOL.
Take care ya all.
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RE: Doctor's Orders - 5/23/2006 12:04:42 AM
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I have been doing AMAZINGLY better in this area recently! I actually just burst through my record on amount of time without it. And it's not even all that miserable! Will probably break it soon, sort of by design, but I hope to continue at my recent rate, and not what I'd been doing before!
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RE: Doctor's Orders - 5/23/2006 10:22:56 AM
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I have been doing AMAZINGLY better in this area recently! I actually just burst through my record on amount of time without it. And it's not even all that miserable! Will probably break it soon, sort of by design, but I hope to continue at my recent rate, and not what I'd been doing before!
Polar,
I rejoice with you and pray that you'll continue to find the strength of God to help you be the living sacrifice that you're called to be. Continue to be transformed by the renewing of your mind and God will complete what He's begun in you.
I was thinking about the following scripture:
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect, but I am pressing on, if I may lay hold of that for which I also was taken hold of by Christ Jesus. My brothers, I do not count myself to have taken possession, but one thing I do, forgetting the things behind and reaching forward to the things before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
(Phi 3:12-14 MKJV)
As I was pondering this, the thought occurred that not only are we to forget the "bad" things behind us and reach forward but we are to forget "the" things. This means good and bad. Of course when we remember bad things the result is self-condemnation and can drag us into depression and remorse. However, when we remember the good things we have a tendency to puff up with pride.
I know that it is good to have moments in our life that we remember so that we can glorify God for getting us through (much like the altars that Israel would build when taking the land of Canaan) but how do we do this and still forget the things behind us?
I think Paul was telling us to rest in God's forgiveness and not "dwell" on the things behind. Look at the bad and realize that God has forgiven and it's never to be used against us. Look at the good but realize that without the grace of God we would never have experienced the good. Put everything into perspective and glorify God in our life.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2006 4:28:48 PM
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OK: I'm a newbie here, and I have a confession: I've only read 3 pages of this seven page thread. If I'm repeating, I appologize in advance. I've seen very little Scripture here: you've discussed everything under the sun. This is quite a lot of Scripture, but I can't say it any better than God, and I think it needs to be here....
This comes from Rom 14 (NIV)
1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Continuing...
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
My soapbox:
Our concern should not be the legality of M*, but rather are we doing everything we can to glorify the Lord? If a poster feels that M*ing cleanses his temple (removing carcinogens) so he can give God more healthy years on this earth, great! If he is able to not sin (lust, etc) while performing the physical act, great!
If you feel convicted, as the previous poster mentioned, when you do something, it is a sin for you. Period. The reason? Because when you do it, you are committing an act of defiance against God. My two-year-old growled at me the other day when I told him to stop doing something. He got spanked. Growling is not wrong: if he were pretending to be a bear, I would have smiled. However, he perceived the noise he was making as an act of defiance, which WAS wrong. His heart was incorrect.
What makes M*ing a sin is what's in your heart. If the physical act causes you to lust, treat your body in an unholy (not set apart for God) way, or rebel against God, it's a sin.
I cannot tell you whether M*ing is a sin for you. I CAN, however, help you if you feel that it is. I can help by praying for you, being an accountability partner, and discipling you.
K. I'm done. Let my flaming begin...
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 6/11/2006 8:46:42 PM
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Masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer
A research team led by Professor Graham Giles, Director of the Cancer Council's Cancer Epidemiology Centre, has found that there is evidence that the more frequently men ejaculate between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely they are to develop prostate cancer.
The researched showed that the protective effect of ejaculation is greatest when men in their twenties ejaculated on average seven or more times a week. This group were one-third less likely to develop aggressive prostate cancer when compared with men who ejaculated less than three times a week at this age.
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RE: Masturbation - One Stop Thread - 6/11/2006 8:50:27 PM
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However, those who ejaculate at least 21 times per month or more have a reduced risk of prostate cancer over those who masturbate only 4-7 times a month.
So, we can conclude that in order for masturbation to be used as an effective means of reducing prostate cancer it needs to be done virtually every single day of every month of a man's entire life.
I masturbated twice a day, so I fulfilled the quota. Even if I don't do it for
the rest of my life, it feels good.
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