How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib.

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Pre-Trib

43% (75)

Post-trib

38% (66)

Mid-trib

18% (32)

Total Votes : 173

(last vote on : 11/18/2009 2:31:20 PM)
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crossbearer777 -> How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/27/2007 2:09:36 PM)
also what scriptural reasons do you have to believe what you believe about the rapture?

Okami -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/27/2007 6:18:34 PM)
I voted Mid trib based on a few arguments I can try and dig up later. But this page here: http://www.ccel.org/node/3756 makes a darn good argument for post trib.

Lapidoth -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/28/2007 12:17:05 PM)
All the camps use the same scripture; they just use different filters. "immediately after" should suffice.

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/28/2007 12:42:46 PM)
"Immediately after should suffice" Amen! But so should our resurrection at the LAST TRUMP. I have yet to see or hear from pretrib or midtrib just when are any trumpets blown before the GT, let alone the last one. First means none before it, but something after it. Last means some before it, but NONE after it. Let's use some language logic here folks. Frankie Riddle............at what point did Jericho fall? Jos 6, especially verse 5

Okami -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 2:00:06 AM)
But, isn't there a verse somewhere that implies it must happen before the anticrhist is revealed? Part of the main argument I think revolves around it. Mid trib differs based on that being when his evil is revealed, not before he shows up.

45degreeN -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 9:17:10 AM)
chalkstc your logic leaves much to the imagination. that proverbial "last trump" must mean that every trumpet everywhere on earth and in heaven must be destroyed since there can be none afterward. or it means the last of a series of trumpet blasts like at the feast of the trumpets.

breanne -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 10:46:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Okami But, isn't there a verse somewhere that implies it must happen before the anticrhist is revealed? Part of the main argument I think revolves around it. Mid trib differs based on that being when his evil is revealed, not before he shows up. No, there is a scripture that says it must happen AFTER the antichrist is revealed. 2Th 2:1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2Th 2:2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 2Th 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy (falling away or divorce as NKJV says) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 2Th 2:5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 2Th 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains {will do so} until he is taken out of the way. 2Th 2:8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; I have done so much study on this subject. And I feel like this is what the Word of God says. Rapture is after tribulation. There's so many clear cut scriptures, and it's so frustrating when pre-tribbers scew them.

McGuinessMagee -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 5:26:52 PM)
Breanne, that's how I read it too but I have heard people say (and I don't know enough Greek to know - or it is Hebrew in that section?) that 2 Th 2:3 is misinterpreted and should read 'catching away' (which then is claimed to mean the rapture) rather than 'falling away'. As this is the verse which a lot of people argue the rapture through, using the misinterpretation argument, I would really love someone to say (and prove somehow) which version is actually correct. Kylie[sm=silly.gif]

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 5:48:53 PM)
45, quote: ORIGINAL: 45degreeN chalkstc your logic leaves much to the imagination. that proverbial "last trump" must mean that every trumpet everywhere on earth and in heaven must be destroyed since there can be none afterward. or it means the last of a series of trumpet blasts like at the feast of the trumpets. Not proverbial at all. Paul says LAST. Of course it is from a series. Point was no trumpets are blown at all before the GT. Get a grip here will ya? Last means none after it in regard to our resurrection which happens on the LAST day at the SC. Believe it or not? Frankie

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 5:51:35 PM)
OK, quote: But, isn't there a verse somewhere that implies it must happen before the anticrhist is revealed? If you mean the DOL by the "it", then the MOS comes BEFORE "IT". Frankie PS mistrib is an oxymoron. The middle of the GT would only be 630 days out of the 1260. Where do you see this timeframe in Scripture?

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 5:58:21 PM)
MC, quote: 'catching away' (which then is claimed to mean the rapture) rather than 'falling away'. Sorry, but the Greek word is apostsia. It means a defection from some truth. Has nothing to do with the catching away. Paul does use this phrase for it............."our gathering together unto Him". The falling away happens before that gathering as well as the revealing of the MOS. Christ returns after both things happen.................slowly we read, inch by inch etc. YBIC, Frankie

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 6:00:57 PM)
All, Always wondered on these polls..............what prevents someone from voting more than once? Silly me................a saint would not do that would he or she? LOL! Frankie

ta_mosquito -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 6:02:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chalkstc All, Always wondered on these polls..............what prevents someone from voting more than once? Silly me................a saint would not do that would he or she? LOL! Frankie Unless you come in under a new handle, you won't be able to vote again.

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 6:09:17 PM)
Thx Tricia. I just wasn't sure. Frankie quote: ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito quote: ORIGINAL: chalkstc All, Always wondered on these polls..............what prevents someone from voting more than once? Silly me................a saint would not do that would he or she? LOL! Frankie Unless you come in under a new handle, you won't be able to vote again.

Lapidoth -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 9:09:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chalkstc Thx Tricia. I just wasn't sure. Frankie quote: ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito quote: ORIGINAL: chalkstc All, Always wondered on these polls..............what prevents someone from voting more than once? Silly me................a saint would not do that would he or she? LOL! Frankie Unless you come in under a new handle, you won't be able to vote again. LOL. She's right. I tried it before just to see if it could be done.

breanne -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 10:32:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McGuinessMagee Breanne, that's how I read it too but I have heard people say (and I don't know enough Greek to know - or it is Hebrew in that section?) that 2 Th 2:3 is misinterpreted and should read 'catching away' (which then is claimed to mean the rapture) rather than 'falling away'. As this is the verse which a lot of people argue the rapture through, using the misinterpretation argument, I would really love someone to say (and prove somehow) which version is actually correct. Kylie[sm=silly.gif] It is not misinterpreted. The correct word is "divorce" which in Greek means "falling away". You cannot get divorced unless you are married, correct? So these people who were married to God will fall away/divorce because of a promise that they think He made.

Okami -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/29/2007 11:39:39 PM)
quote: 2Th 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy (falling away or divorce as NKJV says) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. ok, I get that part. But, from what I understand, most use that to seperate "the second coming" from "the rapture". That those lines were included because people would be trying to discount the Bible by saying that the second coming already happened. Pre-trib arguments always end up using Enoch and Elijah's sudden calling up to heaven as examples of the OT shadow of the NT rapture That so will the church be , to save us all from the tribulation, since we are saved from God's wrath, not a part of it. "Then" after those things, Christ will be seen coming to the earth in all his glory.

breanne -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/30/2007 2:52:16 AM)
Okay, here's something to chew on.. In the days of Moses, when God sent those plagues upon Egypt. Did he take the Jews off the earth? No. They saw the plagues, but they were untouched because of the blood of a lamb above their door. That mark then to protect them, is our Mark of God now during the great tribulation. How about in Noah's time when God flooded the world. Did God take Noah off the earth? No, he was on the earth and his mark of God was the Ark. So what makes one think that in looking at two other cases of tribulations where God's people was still on the earth yet protected, that we are so special that we won't even be on earth for the end of the age? I mean, yeah, we're raptured before God's official wrath upon the earth. But as far as the 7 years of tribulation, we're going to be here. Jesus even said himself. And it even says so in the OT! Joel 2:30 "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke. Joel 2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.

chalkstc -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/30/2007 12:05:11 PM)
Bre, quote: It is not misinterpreted. The correct word is "divorce" which in Greek means "falling away". You cannot get divorced unless you are married, correct? So these people who were married to God will fall away/divorce because of a promise that they think He made. Paul is defintely speaking of the last generation on this planet before the SC. He couples the falling away with the MOS or the AC or the beast. Thus, only those who receive the mark are lost. If a soul who supposedly received Christ during his or her lifetime and captitulates to the mark,......can it be said that they were ever saved? No!. Salvation is making it to the end of the journey. You cannot be saved and then unsaved. There professors, and possessors. God knows who.................whether they are Wheat or Tares. We do not judge....that is His job. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out . 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. KJV YBIC, Frankie

bettymackII -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/30/2007 7:21:00 PM)
Good read! Frankie

Okami -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/30/2007 11:36:17 PM)
what about those that stop believing on him? Does that mean that now I can go out and do whatever I want instead of following Him?

breanne -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/31/2007 10:12:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bettymackII Good read! Frankie Are you kidding? I don't agree with a word of what he said. I think that's ridiculous. Your name can be blotched out of the book of life. So much for once saved, always saved junk. That's what I fear, so I try to live every day in the Lord and try my best to keep my sins to a minimal (which is really hard) and to just make sure I read the Word as often as I can and stay in a relationship with the Lord.

ta_mosquito -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (10/31/2007 10:50:11 AM)
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Okami -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (11/1/2007 2:24:38 AM)
If "no one knows the day or hour" , wouldn't that seem to support pretribbers? If the Antichrist shows up, they can count the days until mid trib. Once he shows his true colors, you know exactly how long until the Lord returns.

breanne -> RE: How many people believe in a pre-trib rapture and how many believe in a post trib. (11/1/2007 3:17:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Okami If "no one knows the day or hour" , wouldn't that seem to support pretribbers? If the Antichrist shows up, they can count the days until mid trib. Once he shows his true colors, you know exactly how long until the Lord returns. That does raise that question, but go back to Matthew 24. These are Jesus' words: Mat 24:29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Mat 24:30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. I think what they are referring to as "no one knows the day or hour" means that nobody knows when tribulation is going to start. I think we are in the times of upbringing towards the end of the age. There's already plenty of proof that we are in fact in the end times.

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