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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 3:52:44 PM
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Looking back then, we didn't feel powerless or was it we had more energy to make a change rather than sitting back and taking it? I dunno. But the younger generation coming up now does not value the same things we did. IU'm not even sure if they have anything to value.
The answer might be in that thought.
I think you are correct.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 3:54:31 PM
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@iron...the South tries to keep its old ways and not progress. Every revival starts with young people, so it will be them to have to reeducate their families and rebel against the status quo.
Agreed.
I guess being born and raised in SoCal puts a whole different perspective on things.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 4:33:38 PM
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@iron...the South tries to keep its old ways and not progress. Every revival starts with young people, so it will be them to have to reeducate their families and rebel against the status quo.
Agreed.
I guess being born and raised in SoCal puts a whole different perspective on things.
Matthew
Absolutely!!!  I credit it, though, for getting out of the neighborhood in the 4th grade and getting around people of other ethnicities and economic backgrounds. I do have the Southern perspective from my late grandparents, but I'm a city boy and have a Christ-centered world view. Having my own business has also given me another perspective on cyclical poverty perpetrated by politicians.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 4:52:34 PM
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Hmmm...I was an Air Force brat...born on a base. Dad was a lifer. However, we lived in the south on bases up until I graduated high school - with a 3 year stint up in IN when I was 2.
Most of my family are from the south and we never had issues with racism. When I was a teenager, my great grandaddy told me it was because our family worked side by side with many races as share croppers and fishermen. There wasn't no room for racism inside that community.
so...just sayin' - it's not always a southern thang.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 5:40:43 PM
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Absolutely!!! I credit it, though, for getting out of the neighborhood in the 4th grade and getting around people of other ethnicities and economic backgrounds.
I grew up in the Lawndale/Torrance/Hawthorne area ~~ very multi-ethnic and economic backgrounds! My parents were pastors of a church there, and since the church had so many ethnic groups we would have international pot-lucks once, sometimes twice a month. I will never forget those times. I learned a lot, not just about ethnic food, but cultures as well. All my friends were of different races, and we got along fine. But again, being in a melting pot we didn't know any different.
Now fast-forward years later to now. We live in Valencia, my youngest is in first grade in a predominantly white school. She is always talking about her b-days, and the parties she will have. It drives us nuts. She is persistant about talking about that subject every week! Anyway, the other week she came home and stated she didn't want any brown kids at her party anymore. She's six years old and saying this. My wife said 'well, I'm brown. You don't want me at your party either?' Her reply was, 'You're not brown mommy, but peach...'
Anyway, I wrote that to write this...she has been bullied by kids that are black and brown. She came to this concensus that 'all' kids of those particular colors are bullies and shouldn't be allowed at any of her parties all on her own ~~ even though her mom, my wife, is brown skinned. A funny, maybe ironic, thing to add to this story is that our pastors family has an adopted son from Africa who is black, and she absolutely adores him!
Of course I have tried to explain to her that you can't judge a person based on the color of their skin, and I'm sure she will understand more as she grows older, but for now she is formulating her own patterns as it comes to race.
For me, as an adult who had no challenges with 'color' when a child, it is quite something to see my own child begin to have problems. Well, 'problems' might be too strong of a word here, but it is certainly something that makes me think, and to wonder, why everything has to come down to color or ethnicity.
Am I making any sense here..?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 8:37:10 PM
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@Son...success isn't about skin color...its about taking advantage of the Free Enterprise system. A lot of people who come to this country become successful because they understand it. Most of us born here, don't.
I agree this should be the standard. Often its not...and its not racism that keeps people in poverty concerning race. Its attitudes. Pride. Excuses.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2009 6:09:31 AM
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@Son...success isn't about skin color...its about taking advantage of the Free Enterprise system. A lot of people who come to this country become successful because they understand it. Most of us born here, don't.
Absolutely.
And honestly, in America, we have *no clue* what it really means to be under the thumb of someone else because of race or class or tribe. We can get upset at the individual racism we run into, we can be annoyed with cultural attitudes that still show up sometimes. But the fact is that *none* of us is condemned to a life cleaning sewers, exclusion from education, regular physical abuse, or outright slavery simply by virtue of who we were born to. And when we run into abuses, we have a media that is *eager* to take down The Man, and a justice system that often seems just as eager, not to mention bazillions of lawyers who would loooooove the publicity of a race-based case.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2009 2:15:28 PM
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@iron...that is so sad to hear. That's how people pick up their prejudices is because of what individuals of whatever race or culture get blamed for what some idiot did.
I'm from Watts but went to to school in Lomita/San Pedro/Harbor City/Costa Mesa. It has been difficult in different stages of my life to be called the "N" word by ignorant people...especially after watching "Roots" in the 4th grade when I first encountered it and then after graduating college, be in the midst of the '92 riot with the whole Rodney King incident. But that's when you have to let Christ keep you above that and see people with individual hearts and not with broad strokes.
@Son...absolutely!!!
@3cap....I'm so glad not to be in a class system!!! I was definitely born at the right time (post-Civil Rights) and in the right area (I love L.A.!!!) 
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2009 2:30:57 AM
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First of all I will state that I am an Evangelical Christian, white female in her late fifties from Canada. I have read through this whole thread with great interest and fascination.
This thread has been on my mind for days. I keep playing out posts in my head, so I finally decided to go for it.
I'm very disappointed with what could be termed the white Christian attitude here. Part of it, I believe, stems from a frustration of not being able to "fix" the problem. Not that it is necessarily fixable.
Zamdad, I have read your blog and have followed your posts in a number of threads. I believe you have a good heart and love the Lord. But I think you are suffering a little from work "burn out." In your line of work you only see people at their worst, no matter their color. And that must be terribly difficult and discouraging. I salute you for the work you do.
Most white males posting here seem to be "tired of hearing about it." I can understand that. These problems have been around for a long time are not likely to be corrected any time soon. I don't deal well with things I can't fix either, but I think this is often truer of the male gender.
The African American problem today is multifaceted. Many have had much success, however those stuck in the "give me" welfare syndrome have often been their own worst enemies. But that is true of other races as well. Sometimes you can't win for losing. Efforts to help end up causing more problems. Throwing money at problems is easier than really dealing with it. And let's face it, everything in the US and Canada ends up being about money. Sick, but true. And we Christians are in it, lock, stock and barrel.
I have to admit I don't know many people of other races, not because I avoid them, but only that thus far in my life not many have worked or lived where I have worked and lived.
I've been thinking about European immigrants. Most have suffered some form of prejudice when they came to North America. But each additional generation becomes more assimilated. This is fairly easy because our skin color is the same. But while some underlying prejudices remain, we have learned to keep them under wraps because they don't add to anyone's agenda. I come from a Slavic background. My children are the fourth generation and are totally assimilated. I mention this only to show that even when skin color doesn't enter the picture, it still takes some time for people to fit in.
RCJames, I read about the abuse your wife suffered in her childhood and my heart cried for her. I also felt led to praise the Lord for her healing. I'm sure that your love for her also helped the healing. And above all, the Lord healed her. No doubt about it. But I find that you seem to lack real Christian compassion at times. You, as a pastor, should know that God does not always heal immediately. Sometimes the journey is long, but still for God's purposes. God is often more interested in using those who are hurting to help others who are hurting. His refining process often takes time. So I feel that it's not fair for you to judge others based on your wife's experience. I know that you are a good servant of the Lord, but you are also human; you don't know everything. It seems that you are at a place in your life where you are not as eager to see things from a different perspective sometimes. We are to see things from God's perspective, but let's face it, He is greater than we are and we are never going to understand Him and His ways here on earth. Perhaps you (and all of us) should allow our hearts to weep with those who weep, a little more than we seem to be doing right now.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2009 2:50:44 AM
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The posts by Charles, Pale Heart Woman, Dancing Warrior (sorry if I have left some people out) have really hit home. I think they stated their case very well. The problems of Native Americans and First Nations (Canadian) are very REAL and very NOW. Some of you don't want to deal with that. Yes, the past is the past and we shouldn't belabor it forever. Bring it to the Lord for his healing and go forward. You seemingly accuse Charles of not wanting to let go of the past. I don't think that is really fair. He is working IN the situation. He sees it every day. He feels led by God to do this work and as a result is carying that burden. He is "weeping with those who weep" which is more than most of us are doing. Most of us have "stuff" that we need to (or should) take to God every day to help us overcome.
One of His Jewels, I thank you for letting your heart and your mind reach out to grasp what some of these problems really are. Most of us live our safe little lives and don't like anything to rock our boats. It's easier to write a check once in a while or go on a missions trip for a couple of weeks, but it doesn't really change how we live. I'm not suggesting that we all move to the res, the barrio or the hood. But at the same time, let's not act like we know everything there is to know either. It's easier to just want it to go away.
Sadly, people have been killing people forever, often for the most stupid of reasons. Whites kill whites, black kill blacks, natives kill natives. And then we go further whites kill blacks, blacks kill whites, blacks kill natives, natives kill blacks and on it goes.
We have quite a large community of people from Somalia in our city. There have been quite a murders within that community this year and efforts have been made for more cooperation from both sides. Whether this will work or not, time will tell.
We have to remember that many Africans coming to North America are coming from countries that have been warring internally for years, often decades. It must be very difficult to come from a place where your whole life has been spent just trying to stay alive. Most of us have no idea.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2009 3:12:01 AM
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Now my confession. My family comes from a farming community. There were many slavic people there. There is also a very large reservation in the community. Many of these people have worked on my relatives farms, especially at harvest time. Never have I heard any unpleasant comments from my relatives about these First Nations people. I grew up in City, so I don't know about the relations between the natives and the farming community there. Once 40 years ago, when I was a newlywed attending a wedding in the community, my husband and I were returning to my aunt's house for the night. We were, of course, driving in the country. We came upon a group of people walking down the road. My husband stopped and offered them a ride (we were driving our first car, a Volkswagon Beetle). So ten natives layered up in the minuscule backseat and off we went to the reservation. We all had a very entertaining ride. That was probably the first time I had spent in the company of natives. Subsequently, the only time I saw First Nation's people were in our slum areas or sometimes uptown trying to mooch cigarettes or money. Often they were drunk and dirty. So if I have a prejudice, it has been against the First Nations people that I have "seen", not even known.
A few years ago, my son lived with a First Nations girl (he's not a Christian - I say this not because she was native, but because he was living in sin). I really liked here. She was very nice person. She and her sister had been adopted by a white pastor and his wife. I think he may have been a military chaplain because there were stationed in Germany for a few years. She had three children by three different men. I was being raised by her sister. Another was being raised by his father (her ex-husband) and he seemed to be doing a great job. Her youngest child was in foster care. She saw him frequently and him for visits from time to time. The youngest's father had abused her badly; she landed in hospital a number of times. He eventually was killed. She was trying to get her life together, but it wasn't easy. Eventually she got custody of the youngest and moved back to her adoptive parents town to live.
I tell you all this because the only prejudice I was conscious of was against First Nations people. I knew it was totally unfair, but unfortunately that was all I personally knew.
When people of other races only get to see the worst of white people, we shouldn't be surprised that they in turn become racist. And I do believe it works both ways.
But I also believe that the dialogue must continue. Yes, they must learn to forgive and go forward. But as Christians we have to be more compassionate. The love of God save us all, no matter our color. But often we Christians don't do much to help that along. Do others see Christ in us? Not often enough. I definitely include myself and most Christians I know in that statement. But we shouldn't give up.
Telling people to "get over it" is never helpful and it's certainly not Christlike. I know that Christians do that to each other as well. Some of the most unsympathetic people I have ever met are self-satisfied Christians. So let's let Christ shine through us. Let's quite thinking we know everything, admit our ignorance and be willing to learn. I thank the Lord that he has taught me a few things I needed to face through this thread and I pray he will help me to be more compassionate in the future.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2009 10:02:46 AM
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I guess being born and raised in SoCal puts a whole different perspective on things.
Matthew
I was raised in the very southern part of Texas, 8 miles from the Rio Grande river. The demographics of my commnity was 90+% hispanic, and less than 10% Caucasion (mostly Germanic background). I never saw a black person until I was out of high school and went to Mississippi to work.
MY first interaction with a black person was in Monroe La., I had stopped to get gas and heard some blues music coming from a tavern (Juke Joint) next door. After gassing up I went over to get a beer (I knew the drinking age was 18 there, had been 21 in texas), and when I sat down at the bar and ordered a beer and prepared to listen to the music; the owner of the place came over and told me that they did not serve white people; and that I had to leave.
This young kid had a lot to learn about race relations.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2009 2:58:21 PM
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Now my confession. My family comes from a farming community. There were many slavic people there. There is also a very large reservation in the community. Many of these people have worked on my relatives farms, especially at harvest time. Never have I heard any unpleasant comments from my relatives about these First Nations people. I grew up in City, so I don't know about the relations between the natives and the farming community there. Once 40 years ago, when I was a newlywed attending a wedding in the community, my husband and I were returning to my aunt's house for the night. We were, of course, driving in the country. We came upon a group of people walking down the road. My husband stopped and offered them a ride (we were driving our first car, a Volkswagon Beetle). So ten natives layered up in the minuscule backseat and off we went to the reservation. We all had a very entertaining ride. That was probably the first time I had spent in the company of natives. Subsequently, the only time I saw First Nation's people were in our slum areas or sometimes uptown trying to mooch cigarettes or money. Often they were drunk and dirty. So if I have a prejudice, it has been against the First Nations people that I have "seen", not even known.
A few years ago, my son lived with a First Nations girl (he's not a Christian - I say this not because she was native, but because he was living in sin). I really liked here. She was very nice person. She and her sister had been adopted by a white pastor and his wife. I think he may have been a military chaplain because there were stationed in Germany for a few years. She had three children by three different men. I was being raised by her sister. Another was being raised by his father (her ex-husband) and he seemed to be doing a great job. Her youngest child was in foster care. She saw him frequently and him for visits from time to time. The youngest's father had abused her badly; she landed in hospital a number of times. He eventually was killed. She was trying to get her life together, but it wasn't easy. Eventually she got custody of the youngest and moved back to her adoptive parents town to live.
I tell you all this because the only prejudice I was conscious of was against First Nations people. I knew it was totally unfair, but unfortunately that was all I personally knew.
When people of other races only get to see the worst of white people, we shouldn't be surprised that they in turn become racist. And I do believe it works both ways.
But I also believe that the dialogue must continue. Yes, they must learn to forgive and go forward. But as Christians we have to be more compassionate. The love of God save us all, no matter our color. But often we Christians don't do much to help that along. Do others see Christ in us? Not often enough. I definitely include myself and most Christians I know in that statement. But we shouldn't give up.
Telling people to "get over it" is never helpful and it's certainly not Christlike. I know that Christians do that to each other as well. Some of the most unsympathetic people I have ever met are self-satisfied Christians. So let's let Christ shine through us. Let's quite thinking we know everything, admit our ignorance and be willing to learn. I thank the Lord that he has taught me a few things I needed to face through this thread and I pray he will help me to be more compassionate in the future.
Bountiful,
Thank you for posting these wonderfully uplifting words. Truly, one of the top posts in this entire forum since I"ve been posting/lurking over a few years. Your wisdom and compassion puts me to shame and I know others. I am sure the Lord is pleased with the truth you have written and have not withheld. These posts are not only needed but are right on time. Let those who have ears, hear and respond to the heart of the Lord and not appease our flesh any longer, this pleases our Father, quite well. To God be all the glory, amen!!
Thank you, dear one, and may the Lord continue to use you and shower you with blessings untold!
God bless you,
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2009 3:00:45 PM
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I guess being born and raised in SoCal puts a whole different perspective on things.
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I was raised in the very southern part of Texas, 8 miles from the Rio Grande river. The demographics of my commnity was 90+% hispanic, and less than 10% Caucasion (mostly Germanic background). I never saw a black person until I was out of high school and went to Mississippi to work.
MY first interaction with a black person was in Monroe La., I had stopped to get gas and heard some blues music coming from a tavern (Juke Joint) next door. After gassing up I went over to get a beer (I knew the drinking age was 18 there, had been 21 in texas), and when I sat down at the bar and ordered a beer and prepared to listen to the music; the owner of the place came over and told me that they did not serve white people; and that I had to leave.
This young kid had a lot to learn about race relations.
Thanks
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Interesting.........
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2009 1:09:58 AM
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Poettess Free, thank you so much for your comments and encouragement. This is the first time I've "let loose" here in the forums and was afraid I had probably overdone it. Thank you again and God Bless.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2009 2:15:26 AM
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Zamdad, I have read your blog and have followed your posts in a number of threads. I believe you have a good heart and love the Lord. But I think you are suffering a little from work "burn out." In your line of work you only see people at their worst, no matter their color. And that must be terribly difficult and discouraging. I salute you for the work you do.
Thank you for the kind words. I may or may not be suffering from work burnout. The topic of racial relations has been of interest to me throughout my life.
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I'm very disappointed with what could be termed the white Christian attitude here. Part of it, I believe, stems from a frustration of not being able to "fix" the problem. Not that it is necessarily fixable.
If the problem is not fixable, why discuss it? I want to be able to move past skin color and relate to people as people. Yet, there are many (off all colors) who will not let go of the past. I'm not asking anyone to forget the past, only to move forward and reserve judgment for character, not skin color. I'm someone who would rather fix the problem than allow it to remain the cancer it has been.
The recent nomination of Sonia Sotomayor has brought to light the acceptance of racist attitudes so long as they are not spoken by white men. How is her experience more valuable in making decisions than mine or any other white person? I've seen it here in this thread all too often. because I'm not a different color, there is no way I can understand. At the same time those who are not white males in the current era cannot understand reverse discrimination.
Because this is a Christian forum, perhaps there is an expectation that we die to self for the benefit of others. At the same time, dying to self does not mean we become door mats.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2009 1:04:18 PM
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The recent nomination of Sonia Sotomayor has brought to light the acceptance of racist attitudes so long as they are not spoken by white men. How is her experience more valuable in making decisions than mine or any other white person? I've seen it here in this thread all too often. because I'm not a different color, there is no way I can understand. At the same time those who are not white males in the current era cannot understand reverse discrimination.
Because this is a Christian forum, perhaps there is an expectation that we die to self for the benefit of others. At the same time, dying to self does not mean we become door mats.
You responded, exactly as I thought you would.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2009 2:27:22 PM
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You, as a pastor, should know that God does not always heal immediately. Sometimes the journey is long, but still for God's purposes. God is often more interested in using those who are hurting to help others who are hurting. His refining process often takes time. So I feel that it's not fair for you to judge others based on your wife's experience. I know that you are a good servant of the Lord, but you are also human; you don't know everything. It seems that you are at a place in your life where you are not as eager to see things from a different perspective sometimes. We are to see things from God's perspective, but let's face it, He is greater than we are and we are never going to understand Him and His ways here on earth. Perhaps you (and all of us) should allow our hearts to weep with those who weep, a little more than we seem to be doing right now.
I presume that you are referrencing race relations and my view of the 'Vicitm syndrome" that many seem to relish wallowing in.
I do agree that someitmes God take time in healing, but the question is how much; Slavery has been overwith for over 150 years, a half century has passed since the civil rights legislation agendas of the 1950/60s. the last lynching of a black person in the USA was something like 45 years ago.
So even given that God might take some time in healing a person; i do honestly believe that there are many who are beating a dead horse in the "Poor ole me" area. And God will only heal those who seek Him out to be healed, and sadly many relish in the imagined stattus of victim.
We have gone thourgh quotas (and still are) uping grades on minorities SAT scores, etc. etc, spent more money that one can count on welfare etc. and folks are still felling sorry for themselves.
your post came across as very sincere, but you should take a longer look at many who are 'Working the system", and playing the "Vicitm" ad naseum.
My favorite quote by Dr. Maritn Luther King comes from his I have a Dream speech, where he stated most sincerely;
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
That was his dream, but not the dream of far too many minorities who still want to be prefered for their color and victrimization status, and not judged on the content of thier character.
Too bad that many of Dr. King's own folks do not share his dream.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/24/2009 1:46:04 AM
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zamdad
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The recent nomination of Sonia Sotomayor has brought to light the acceptance of racist attitudes so long as they are not spoken by white men. How is her experience more valuable in making decisions than mine or any other white person? I've seen it here in this thread all too often. because I'm not a different color, there is no way I can understand. At the same time those who are not white males in the current era cannot understand reverse discrimination.
Because this is a Christian forum, perhaps there is an expectation that we die to self for the benefit of others. At the same time, dying to self does not mean we become door mats.
You responded, exactly as I thought you would.
Hmmm. Are you judging me?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/24/2009 8:41:30 AM
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MY first interaction with a black person was in Monroe La., I had stopped to get gas and heard some blues music coming from a tavern (Juke Joint) next door. After gassing up I went over to get a beer (I knew the drinking age was 18 there, had been 21 in texas), and when I sat down at the bar and ordered a beer and prepared to listen to the music; the owner of the place came over and told me that they did not serve white people; and that I had to leave.
This young kid had a lot to learn about race relations.
I had a simular experience in North Carolina, walking into a bar a friend of my brother's suggested, a black friend, and while I wasn't denied service, it took a while to get it, though I was one of three in the place and it was made clear, I was not welcome.
I work with, gee, a lot of different kinds of people. Black americans. Black hispanics. White hispanics. Hatians. Jamacans. Romanian. Its a mixed bag.
The supervisor of the division I work in is hispanic. Hispanics get...special treatment. No question. There are several, if they worked anywhere else they would be fired.
Even with that, most of the skilled people there, pressmen, are white. Two are black, both jamacans. Twelve pressmen over three shifts, most are either white or white hispanic. Two blacks. All supervisors are white with the exception of the division supervisor and he is white hispanic.
Prejudice? Some of it is. Most of it? Its who can and will do the job. Its nothing to do with race, for the most part ( other than the hispanic bias ). It has to do with wanting to learn and the ability to learn.
Not to say anyone is stupid because of race, but there sure is an attitude of...."fairness"....and not willing to do what it takes to succeed...like show up sober...or want to learn.
Some just can't do the job and those are, I think, mostly because of Florida's poor education system. I mean, most of these guys cannot add or subtract without a calculator. Some cannot read.
A lot of it is attitude..and attitude of excusim. It amazes me, the work ethic today..is dead. To me, that is what government programs have done to those who take it....they take away personal work ethic and pride in workmanship....and certainly, being a servent.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/24/2009 9:56:52 AM
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so...just sayin' - it's not always a southern thang. No - but the racism of the north and the south are different from each other.
Back around 1980 a co-worker of my wife rented a room from us for several months. That was in the Lansing MI area. She is African American and had lived for a while with her aunt in Georga while attending college. She said that down south they (white good ole boys) would yell at you and call you all kinds of names. Up north, they would smile and pretend to be your friend while hating your guts on the inside and working to stop you from doing anything. She prefereed the south with their "honesty."
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/24/2009 10:32:11 AM
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ORIGINAL: poetessfree
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The recent nomination of Sonia Sotomayor has brought to light the acceptance of racist attitudes so long as they are not spoken by white men. How is her experience more valuable in making decisions than mine or any other white person? I've seen it here in this thread all too often. because I'm not a different color, there is no way I can understand. At the same time those who are not white males in the current era cannot understand reverse discrimination.
Because this is a Christian forum, perhaps there is an expectation that we die to self for the benefit of others. At the same time, dying to self does not mean we become door mats.
You responded, exactly as I thought you would.
Hmmm. Are you judging me?
Is that how you feel?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/24/2009 2:20:41 PM
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zamdad
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How I feel is irrlevant. The statement you made came across judmental. But, this being an electronic forum, void of the non verbal communication of face to face interaction, causes me to ask if it was your intent to judge me.
If you are making a judgment, what do you base your judgment on?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2009 12:19:01 PM
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I was glad to hear this case was finally judged accurately. It is cases like this that keep racism alive and well; it shouldn't happen if people 'equality.'
From an article below...
High Court Rules for White FirefightersBy MARK SHERMAN, AP
posted: 47 MINUTES AGOcomments: 705filed under: Law News, National NewsPrintShareText SizeAAAWASHINGTON (June 29) -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.
New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.
Matthew
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