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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2009 12:24:11 PM
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stellaluna
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Well that's good.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 6:29:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Racism
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
Look at this definition of racism. I think definition #2 is straight out wrong and sinful. However, I think there is some truth to definition #1. Before you call me a bigot and a racist, I want you to take a close look at world history. White men have virtually dominated world history since the times of Alexander the Great. Why is that? I think it is due to the fact some races might have the capacities and capabilities that other races lack.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 7:13:47 PM
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Racism is an issue that I keep confronting my mom about because, yes, she is a racist even though she claims she's not.
Despite being a hardcore Christian, she just looks down on the intelligence of other races such as Africans and people who live on islands, specifically Filipinos.
Coming from America, she expects me to just easily be able to beat the other students in academics because I'm good in speaking English which I just laugh at sometimes because I believe that being very good in English doesn't always make you an honor student even in a country where English isn't the primary language.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 7:22:04 PM
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I will assume you were also referring to me. First of all, I am not a racist. I don't hate people because of the color of their skin. However, I do believe, as history has shown, that a certain race is far more superior and sophisticated than other races. I don't consider the Roman Empire to be racists, yet they believed they were more superior than the barbarians or those who spoke an unknown language. The Romans believed they were chosen to civilize the west and the east. I don't see anything morally wrong with this type of belief.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 8:48:25 PM
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I think it is due to the fact some races might have the capacities and capabilities that other races lack.
I have to say I'm almost speechless.
I absolutely do not believe one race has more capacity or capabilities than others. I think some cultures have an advantage because others have a lack of exposure, but I do not believe one race is better than another.
If one believes that then I can't see how that wouldn't be racist.
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yet they believed they were more superior than the barbarians or those who spoke an unknown language.
One can believe anything, but it doesn't make it true.
From onelook.com
Quick definitions (racist)
▸ noun: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
Quick definitions (racism)
▸ noun: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
▸ noun: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 8:55:09 PM
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I agree with Kath. :)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 10:15:44 PM
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I don't consider the Roman Empire to be racists, yet they believed they were more superior than the barbarians or those who spoke an unknown language. The Romans believed they were chosen to civilize the west and the east. I don't see anything morally wrong with this type of belief.
The Romans were a culture, not a race.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 10:38:25 PM
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I believe there were Romans of all colors.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2009 12:21:19 AM
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ORIGINAL: stellaluna
I believe there were Romans of all colors.
Hmmmm. Sort of like there are Americans of all colors? I wonder if Roman's of different heritage referred to themselves as African-Roman, European-Roman, Jewish-Roman, etc?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2009 12:18:28 PM
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One problem with judging the "superiority" of one race/culture over another is the standard used. Of course a more technologically advanced culture will assume it is "superior" to a less advanced people. However, applying that standard doesn't always work.
I read an article on a website devoted to Ayn Rand that said that Native Americans were "poverty stricken" when the Europeans arrived, and it was the Europeans who "rescued" us from our sad state. However, we were not nearly as poverty stricken as the Europeans who fled to the Americas in pursuit of wealth or escape from poverty. At the time of first contact, famine, theft, rape, murder and all the common social ills found among the "superior" Europeans were virtually non-existent among many of the First Nations. Poverty is defined as lacking basic needs: this hardly applies to Native Americans during the early days of colonization, when it was they, not the Europeans, who facilitated access to food and resources the colonizers wanted and needed.
Conversely, during the middle ages the Chinese were superior in many technologies to the Europeans, yet socially they had problems which were a handicap which the Europeans had overcome.
Right now, some educators and politicians like to point to the "superiority" of the Japanese educational system. Yet, while that system produces students who place higher on math and science scores, it also produces workers who suffer from higher levels of stress, alcoholism, depression and suicide than found in the US among comparable groups.
My point is that "superiority" cannot be a blanket term. The Roman's had a superior military and municipal structure to the Hebrews, but one could hardly argue that they were socially or spiritually superior. It's the height of foolishness to say "This is my standard of superiority, ergo it is the standard that should be applied to all. The result is that everyone else is inferior."
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2009 12:37:02 PM
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The Romans believed they were chosen to civilize the west and the east. I don't see anything morally wrong with this type of belief.
Check out the result of pride in satan's instance. Not a good thing.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2009 1:14:43 PM
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It's possible and hopefully true that this guy is just tying to stir the pot to get a rise out of everyone. I know I always play devil's advocate in disagreement just because. Whether I agree with the side or not, I'm mainly trying to discover other peoples beliefs and it actually helps me get more of an understanding.
On the homosexual thread I played on the side that it isn't wrong. I didn't believe that, but I wanted a more personal understanding of it so I gave everyone a hard time and used all the defenses that I've heard that condone homosexuality. It helped me get a better understanding of my beliefs.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/18/2009 9:05:52 PM
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Johnny_
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I apologize to those whom I may have offended. I should have been more sensitive to this issue.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/19/2009 2:03:28 PM
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White men have virtually dominated world history since the times of Alexander the Great. Why is that? I think it is due to the fact some races might have the capacities and capabilities that other races lack.
First off, this just isn't true. When your version of history focuses on European and American history this seems to be the case. Contact with Arab and Asian nations practically rescued Europe from the "Dark Ages". Ghengis Khan and his descendants conquered much more of the world, as far as actual population is concerned, than Alexander the Great did, including much of eastern Europe.
Second, confusing culture with race is an error which invalidates any assumptions based on that error.
Third, just because a violent, aggressive populace that wars as much within as without uses superior technology combined with inhuman attitudes to conquer weaker civilizations doesn't mean it is superior because of race. It means that a supposedly Christian culture has violated the most basic tenets of its own declared religion.
I could argue that based on racially related aspects of physiology and culture, most indigenous peoples all over the world are superior to whites because they are able to survive off of less food, in harsher environments, and with less chronic disease than most white people today. But, since I know that the issue is far more complex, I won't.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/19/2009 5:07:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: c_h_b
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White men have virtually dominated world history since the times of Alexander the Great. Why is that? I think it is due to the fact some races might have the capacities and capabilities that other races lack.
First off, this just isn't true. When your version of history focuses on European and American history this seems to be the case. Contact with Arab and Asian nations practically rescued Europe from the "Dark Ages". Ghengis Khan and his descendants conquered much more of the world, as far as actual population is concerned, than Alexander the Great did, including much of eastern Europe.
Second, confusing culture with race is an error which invalidates any assumptions based on that error.
Third, just because a violent, aggressive populace that wars as much within as without uses superior technology combined with inhuman attitudes to conquer weaker civilizations doesn't mean it is superior because of race. It means that a supposedly Christian culture has violated the most basic tenets of its own declared religion.
I could argue that based on racially related aspects of physiology and culture, most indigenous peoples all over the world are superior to whites because they are able to survive off of less food, in harsher environments, and with less chronic disease than most white people today. But, since I know that the issue is far more complex, I won't.
And I would assume that you would consider your viewpoint as not racist?
Oh, my Goodness!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/19/2009 5:53:54 PM
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Not sure if it's been pointed out in 65 pages, but a professor of mine pointed out that there is more racial diversity among "blacks" in Africa than the rest of the world combined. In other words, two black people in Africa can be more different from each other than a white is different from a Chinese. Not sure how much that contributes, but I thought it was cool.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/20/2009 6:56:23 PM
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Not sure if it's been pointed out in 65 pages, but a professor of mine pointed out that there is more racial diversity among "blacks" in Africa than the rest of the world combined. In other words, two black people in Africa can be more different from each other than a white is different from a Chinese. Not sure how much that contributes, but I thought it was cool.
Which is why no "race" is superior. God created diversity...look at a rainbow for goodness sake!!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/20/2009 8:26:22 PM
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There is only one race, the human race. And we're all equal at the foot of the cross.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/21/2009 8:50:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
There is only one race, the human race. And we're all equal at the foot of the cross.
Very true! Race is used as a sociological term to differentiate groups of people based on appearance. Unfortunately, grouping individuals on this basis has increased separation and created strife. By continuing to define these groups, we are simply perpetuating this separation.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2009 2:04:14 PM
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Since both blacks and whites perpetuate the "one drop rule" (you got a black grandparent? You're black), sure it's possible.
Many people who are categorized as black have ancestors who were white, Native American, Asian, etc.
I did not realize that was a biracial rule; I thought Obama just got to choose which one he was based on what was most advantageous to him.
Personally I have never gone to Ancestory.com for it just does not matter. We all are who we are, and history should have no bearing on who we are;
From the Bible;
(Php 3:13,14) Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
And from Dr. Martin Luther King;
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
Neither of these perspectives are based on historical events, but on the current situation.
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