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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2009 2:47:05 PM
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There is only one race, the human race. That makes about as much sense as saying there is only one breed of dog because they are all canis canis. quote:
And we're all equal at the foot of the cross. That is absolutely true.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2009 2:59:04 PM
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There is only one race, the human race. That makes about as much sense as saying there is only one breed of dog because they are all canis canis.
Look at it like this, Dave. You can have a chocolate lab, a black lab, or a golden retriever. They are all the same breed, just a different color fur. The main differences between peoples of different colors is cultural. We are all homo sapien.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2009 3:07:26 PM
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There is only one race, the human race. That makes about as much sense as saying there is only one breed of dog because they are all canis canis. Look at it like this, Dave. You can have a chocolate lab, a black lab, or a golden retriever. They are all the same breed, just a different color fur. The main differences between peoples of different colors is cultural. We are all homo sapien. Yes. and your black Lab and Rotwielier and a German Shepherd and a Chihuaua are all Canis Canis.
Actually a Golden Retriever is a different breed than the Labs. I think you mean a Yellow Lab??
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/24/2009 3:22:10 PM
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Actually a Golden Retriever is a different breed than the Labs. I think you mean a Yellow Lab?
Yes. My mistake.
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RE: miscegnation - 7/30/2009 5:42:22 PM
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Say you have two children. One "can pass for white." The other, not. Which culture will you train them to participate in? To regard as their own?
I know .. I just don't get here enough.. I am not a big time online person so I only get to read every once in a while... this post I quoted was probably long ago... but I need to comment...
Culture is to me .. just that... it is our surroundings , our traditions, not our race...
As I previously stated I am French and Af American .. and know nothing... listen .. I am serious now.. NOTHING .. of af americanism...
my father was abusive left my mom .. thank you Jesus , when I was six.. so my mother raised me in what she knew.. which was all French .. .that is my culture it is what I know , what I embrace . It does not matter what my race is
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/30/2009 5:47:18 PM
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Anyone know how to put your profile photo up as your avatar... ? all your pictures are so cute and its just not working for me..
lil help? 
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/30/2009 5:57:50 PM
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Anyone know how to put your profile photo up as your avatar... ? all your pictures are so cute and its just not working for me..
lil help?
See here
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re - 7/31/2009 2:42:32 PM
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Thanks. Of course we all want our children to find their identity in Christ Jesus and my mom was firm in that - am thankful - know whom I am and am His. Question ? Do your children have the benefit of having both you and your husbands ,their fathers culture around them because I did not I only know the one human culture so I am a little confused. If they have both around GREAT I did not and I don't know anything about passing as another race - simply state who I am and that happens to be mixed when anyone ask Both parts are important just have no knowledge of the one. Thanks for ytour comments Blessings to you and yours =}
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RE: re - 9/10/2009 8:12:09 PM
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I really, really hate it when people call themselves Christians and say that they aren't racist but they believe that marriage should only be between people who are of the same race.
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RE: re - 9/10/2009 8:34:38 PM
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I really, really hate it when people call themselves Christians and say that they aren't racist but they believe that marriage should only be between people who are of the same race.
Yes, that primitive way of thinking is totally inconsistent and just plain wrong. Skin color, hair color/texture and eye color account for less than 0.1 percent of genetic differences. Besides I have never known a true Christian who felt that way.
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RE: re - 9/12/2009 6:07:37 PM
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I really, really hate it when people call themselves Christians and say that they aren't racist but they believe that marriage should only be between people who are of the same race.
I'm not defending that opinion, but isn't it possible to have that opinion without being racist? I don't share that opinion because the Bible says nothing about forbidding marriage on the basis of race alone. Usually, it involved blending a person from a pagan culture with a person from a godly family. Take Ruth, for example. Even though she was a person from Moab, she was commended for taking the godly culture and covenant of Naomi.
Anyway, it is much easier now than it was in the past. People from mixed black-white marriages had a more difficult time assimilating within even the American society. I'm not saying it is appropriate, but it certainly was true.
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RE: re - 9/12/2009 6:29:54 PM
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I really, really hate it when people call themselves Christians and say that they aren't racist but they believe that marriage should only be between people who are of the same race.
A person can be both a separatrist and a racist, but being a separatist does not necessarily mean the person is a racist, only a separatist,
Racism by definition is thinking that someone of another race is inferior, or thinking that one's own race is superior. A separatist only thinks that races should remain separate.
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RE: re - 9/12/2009 6:55:17 PM
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Racism by definition is thinking that someone of another race is inferior, or thinking that one's own race is superior. A separatist only thinks that races should remain separate.
Can you think of any motivations besides racism that could lead someone to hold a separatist view?
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RE: re - 9/12/2009 7:24:21 PM
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Racism by definition is thinking that someone of another race is inferior, or thinking that one's own race is superior. A separatist only thinks that races should remain separate.
Can you think of any motivations besides racism that could lead someone to hold a separatist view?
Maybe the belief that God intended racial ethnic groups to maintain distinct boundaries?
"From one man he made every nation of the human race to inhabit the entire earth, determine their set times and the fixed limits of the places where they would live." (Acts 17:26, NET Bible)
That said, we cannot put the worms back into the box nor should we expect to try as some people try to do. And these days in America, there is barely a hair's breadth between some racial separatists and their views of racial superiority. Sometimes, they don't even admit it to themselves and they violently try to defend their version of racial separation. That's why the distinction is often blurred and impossible to delineate.
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RE: re - 9/12/2009 9:13:28 PM
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I really, really hate it when people call themselves Christians and say that they aren't racist but they believe that marriage should only be between people who are of the same race.
I'm not defending that opinion, but isn't it possible to have that opinion without being racist? I don't share that opinion because the Bible says nothing about forbidding marriage on the basis of race alone. Usually, it involved blending a person from a pagan culture with a person from a godly family. Take Ruth, for example. Even though she was a person from Moab, she was commended for taking the godly culture and covenant of Naomi.
Anyway, it is much easier now than it was in the past. People from mixed black-white marriages had a more difficult time assimilating within even the American society. I'm not saying it is appropriate, but it certainly was true.
Racists who want to hide their racism can claim they aren't racist. But to say that it is wrong to marry someone of another race is a racist belief, a way of defending a false teaching to scare others into believing it. God does not forbid interracial marriage. If interracial marriage is wrong, redheads shouldn't marry brunettes, and blue-eyed-blondes should only marry blue-eyed-blondes. How stupid is that??? Marriage between races is not beastiality. We are all humans with different characteristics.
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RE: re - 9/12/2009 10:02:49 PM
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I really, really hate it when people call themselves Christians and say that they aren't racist but they believe that marriage should only be between people who are of the same race.
I'm not defending that opinion, but isn't it possible to have that opinion without being racist? I don't share that opinion because the Bible says nothing about forbidding marriage on the basis of race alone. Usually, it involved blending a person from a pagan culture with a person from a godly family. Take Ruth, for example. Even though she was a person from Moab, she was commended for taking the godly culture and covenant of Naomi.
Anyway, it is much easier now than it was in the past. People from mixed black-white marriages had a more difficult time assimilating within even the American society. I'm not saying it is appropriate, but it certainly was true.
It depends of where in America you are talking about. Some places are far more racially progressive than others. Also many countries are very progressive as well. As far as what constitute a race, that is a very complicated issue. Genetically speaking there is really no such thing a black, white or Asian race. People all came from the same source and moved out from there. That is why Ethiopians can be genetically more similar to certain Europeans than a Ghanaian from the same continent. Likewise a native Swede may be genetically quite different than a German even though they may both have blond hair, blue eyes and have a similar build.
The problem is that race has been defined by skin color, hair and facial features. This is do to the fact that those characteristic are external and easy for people to understand. Though it is an extremely poor indicator of what story their DNA will tell.
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RE: re - 9/13/2009 8:38:57 AM
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Racism by definition is thinking that someone of another race is inferior, or thinking that one's own race is superior. A separatist only thinks that races should remain separate.
Can you think of any motivations besides racism that could lead someone to hold a separatist view?
One that I have heard is that if God made the race separate, then we should not go against his will and blend them.
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RE: re - 9/13/2009 8:43:08 AM
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If interracial marriage is wrong, redheads shouldn't marry brunettes, and blue-eyed-blondes should only marry blue-eyed-blondes. How stupid is that??? Marriage between races is not beastiality. We are all humans with different characteristics.
Aren't you confusing intra=racial traits with inter-racial marriage?
If a person thought that marraige between the races was beastiality then that thinking would definately be racism, and not separatism.
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RE: re - 9/13/2009 12:34:18 PM
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Aren't you confusing intra=racial traits with inter-racial marriage?
Why would hair color or eye color be any different than skin color in determining what is "different" enough not to mix?
How dark does one have to be, exactly, to make it miscegenation? Would it be less bad for these "seperatists" to marry a light skinned African than a dark skinned one (there are some *very* light skinned Africans)? Do they consider it a sin for an African to marry an Asian or an Arab, or is it only bad if white people start mixing it up?
There are certainly inconsistencies in the logic. Besides the Bible not forbidding interracial marriage, there are so many variations in degrees of color that some categories have no place--that's why the whole idea is really messed up.
And yes, to some people variations in lightness and darkness are certainly factors. Insofar as other countries being more progresssive than America? I would suggest that America is among the most progressive with regard to race is concerned. There are people who capitalize on racial problems for political advantage and monetary advantage.
Is there friction that still exists? Certainly. Are there people who would do violence to people of other colors? Yes.
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RE: re - 9/13/2009 3:54:43 PM
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How dark does one have to be, exactly, to make it miscegenation? Would it be less bad for these "seperatists" to marry a light skinned African than a dark skinned one (there are some *very* light skinned Africans)? Do they consider it a sin for an African to marry an Asian or an Arab, or is it only bad if white people start mixing it up?
You try to bring separatism back to race (skin color, and picking on a particular race) and the folks that I know who are separationis would reject a Light skinned African because they are African and a product of intermarriage (or at least inter-racial sex) to become light skinned (Excepting alinoism, etc.).
Separaratism does not demean or trash, nor uplift any race above another; only recognizes that they are different because of the race; and wishes to keep it that way.
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RE: re - 9/13/2009 4:02:45 PM
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If interracial marriage is wrong, redheads shouldn't marry brunettes, and blue-eyed-blondes should only marry blue-eyed-blondes. How stupid is that??? Marriage between races is not beastiality. We are all humans with different characteristics.
Aren't you confusing intra=racial traits with inter-racial marriage?
If a person thought that marraige between the races was beastiality then that thinking would definately be racism, and not separatism.
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True. It really is just like any other difference, such as hair color and eye color. It seems strange to me that people make boundaries based off skin color, but not off any other variation in people. People have different color eyes, skin, hair, etc. But the one that gets people is skin color usually. <shrugs>
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And if they cannot show a valid Biblical command or principal, they are holding on to it for *other* reasons. 
