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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:23:09 PM
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solo_soprano23
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Most of the time I don't have to wonder.
Many will tell you flat-out to your face that they do certain things toward blacks because they don't like black people; it's not a matter of wondering then. Just like one of my friends in college; she was roomed with a white student, and the white student hated her-- told her to her face that she hated blacks, that she wasn't raised to even acknowledge them, and moved out. It's not a matter of wondering or guessing. So many will just tell you how they think or feel or why they do this or that to you.
Question; did your friend's roomate tell you this, or did your freind just say that her roomate said this?
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My friend's former roomate doesn't speak to blacks.
She admitted it, and action was taken. Some people are open racists, no hiding there. To be honest, she would probably have been better off leaving anyway. There aren't a lot of black people there, but if one "colored" person is too much for you, you might have a hard time in the US finding pure white stores, neighborhoods, schools, restaurants, etc.
I'm rather tired of you covertly marking me as a liar though. If you think any racial incidents that go on are fictional and made up by "victims," you can just say that. I don't know why there is all this she-must-be-lying stuff going on with all you ask me.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:23:23 PM
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rcjames
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I call it the consequences of poverty. I don't see what that has to do with anything I said.
So you really ascribe the high black on black murder rate to poverty????
And I guess you would blame poverty on the whites?
What a joke.
I would be glad to take you to many extrememy poverty stricken areas of the USA where there is no high rate of murder or even crime, but that would mess up your racism theory; wouldn't it.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:27:12 PM
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So you really ascribe the high black on black murder rate to poverty????
You ascribe the high black on black murder rate to what, then? I'm not saying it's necessarily poverty... I'm just wondering what else it could be. Do you think that black people are inherently different than white people, aside from the mere shade of their skin?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:27:49 PM
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rcjames
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My friend's former roomate doesn't speak to blacks.
I am really not trying to be pickey, but you just posted that she 'Told" your black friend yoda yoda yoda.
So evidently she does speak to blacks.
I have no idea about your friend or her roomate, or her racism, or lack of it, but the story is getting way out of hand.
There is racism is today's world, but not every glance or avoidance is racism; it just isn't. It is just life.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:28:53 PM
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I have and have had for many year black and Hispanic neighbors. We moved into a house two years ago and my neighbor across the street is Chinese. There's a slight language barrier and his teen aged kids and their friends park directly across the street so I can hardly back out without hitting them. But we don't have any problems that I know of. Maybe they think my complaints about backing out of my drive way are because they are Chinese. I don't know.
Um, I didn't accuse you of racism. You don't need to defend yourself. You having personally never witnessed racism isn't really saying much. Our individual experiences are limited and doesn't speak to problems that take place far from where we live, or where we don't want to live.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:33:05 PM
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My friend's former roomate doesn't speak to blacks.
I am really not trying to be pickey, but you just posted that she 'Told" your black friend yoda yoda yoda.
So evidently she does speak to blacks.
I have no idea about your friend or her roomate, or her racism, or lack of it, but the story is getting way out of hand.
There is racism is today's world, but not every glance or avoidance is racism; it just isn't. It is just life.
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Question; did your friend's roomate tell you this, or did your freind just say that her roomate said this?
Are you going to accuse the friend of lying if solo tells you her friend simply reported it to her?
If so, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You assume bad faith on the part of the victims, always try to find that angle of plausible deniability so you don't have to admit that there's anything wrong (except on the part of the victims, who are liars!)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:39:37 PM
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Ok. She spoke to a black person to tell said black person that she doesn't like black people, doesn't speak to them (that came from the perpetrator's mouth), wasn't raised to acknowledge them.
I'm not in a hurry to talk to a racist if I already know who they are-- by accident is different; she said a lot more before she made her exit, but I didn't put all that in my post.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 7:49:36 PM
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Ok. She spoke to a black person to tell said black person that she doesn't like black people, doesn't speak to them (that came from the perpetrator's mouth), wasn't raised to acknowledge them.
I'm not in a hurry to talk to a racist if I already know who they are-- by accident is different; she said a lot more before she made her exit, but I didn't put all that in my post.
Well then she did speak to black folks, right?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/27/2009 8:07:54 PM
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Um, I didn't accuse you of racism. You don't need to defend yourself. You having personally never witnessed racism isn't really saying much. Our individual experiences are limited and doesn't speak to problems that take place far from where we live, or where we don't want to live.
I wasn't suggesting you were accusing me of being racist. But I have made comments around other people and was told they (the comments) were racist. And, yes, our individual experiences are limited. I believe we are apt to call things racist that aren't. With regard to that professor a few months ago. When I first heard of it, I also thought the policeman was racist. But when I heard the other side of it, I was not so sure. I know there are two sides to everything. There are people who think they see racism but don't and there are people who see racism who don't know it.
We have laws against institutionalized racism and against legal racism. Are we now going to police people's thoughts? It would be nice to have justice but there was still injustice in God's OT theocracy.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 12:59:26 AM
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Exactly. Genocide is typically portrayed as being an internal affair, limited in scope, civil war, anything but what it actually is. People need that plausible deniability so they have an excuse to sit by and do nothing. Racism works the same way. Hence the "segregation isn't racism", "believing in the purity of the races isn't racism", "people avoiding the only black guy isn't racism", there's always that plausible deniability to keep people uncaring, and even blaming the victims and witnesses who speak up of race-baiting and stirring the pot.
And what would you call the extremely over the top high incidence of black on black violence and murder rate? Intra-racism?
I call it the consequences of poverty. I don't see what that has to do with anything I said.
How can it be the consequence of poverty? Why does economic status/situation get the blame for poor moral choices? Crime is a moral choice.
If blacks represent a higher percentage of prison inmates, is that the fault of the system? Or, is there an underlying issue in the black community that is not being addressed? Namely, that immoral thinking and behavior receives greater acceptance than in other cultures.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 2:45:33 AM
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You're nitpicking, rc. 
Most definitely
Obviously solo meant that this racist doesn't speak to blacks in a civil or equal manner. It's doubtful she could get by without actually saying a word to blacks.
RC, about the only thing you're proving is that you have your head stuck in the sand (and seem to like it there)
Maybe RC can give us his examples of any racism that he has witnessed in this country or anywhere else? Seeing as how all of everybody else's examples contain lies or half-truths or can somehow be logically explained away. But RC did say that there is racism in today's world so I would love to read about it. Just to compare notes and maybe I will finally learn what a true racist is.......outside of RC's repetitive definition
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I oppose racism in the abstract because I don't see the things described here. Maybe I don't read enough into every disagreement I have with people. Maybe I am supposed to imagine the worst of motives?
Maybe the white co-worker who told me to go back to Mexico was just wanting me to have a nice vacation? I used to imagine the worst that she was "racist" but NOW I'm understanding more and more that I was overreacting. I may have done something to offend her (speak to my co-workers in Spanish while we were on break) and because we live in a state that is so close to the border, that just came naturally to her mind and she wanted me to enjoy myself. She never meant to infer that I (an American citizen just like her) am an illegal immigrant who needs to leave this country and go back to live in a foreign country. She also never meant to give me the impression that she believed she had the right to tell me what language to speak (repeatedly yelling at me that this is America speak english) and that she had the right to send me out of the country, even just symbolically. I was reading waaay to much into what she was yelling to really stop and think logically what she REALLY meant.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 4:14:27 AM
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How can it be the consequence of poverty? Why does economic status/situation get the blame for poor moral choices? Crime is a moral choice.
If blacks represent a higher percentage of prison inmates, is that the fault of the system? Or, is there an underlying issue in the black community that is not being addressed? Namely, that immoral thinking and behavior receives greater acceptance than in other cultures.
I'm not sure what you're saying. It sounds like you're saying that black people tend to make poor moral choices but I really doubt that you would say something like that. Please clarify.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 4:57:21 AM
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zamdad
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How can it be the consequence of poverty? Why does economic status/situation get the blame for poor moral choices? Crime is a moral choice.
If blacks represent a higher percentage of prison inmates, is that the fault of the system? Or, is there an underlying issue in the black community that is not being addressed? Namely, that immoral thinking and behavior receives greater acceptance than in other cultures.
I'm not sure what you're saying. It sounds like you're saying that black people tend to make poor moral choices but I really doubt that you would say something like that. Please clarify.
That's not at all what I'm saying. Our entire culture has become far too accepting of immoral behavior and the thinking that goes with it. For many years now, we have heard the media tell us that blacks are incarcerated at rates disprporitianaly higher than any other ethnic demographic. The thinking of "popular culture" has eroded to the point that when immoral thinking is presented to a given listener, they are either unable or unwilling to stand up for what they know is right in order to be liked by the person they are speaking to or to avoid public scrutiny.
Look at the Acorn scandal exposed by a young couple presenting themselves as a prostitute and pimp. Not all of the "targets" on their videos were black. But the mindset of those being interviewed was to look the other way and/or offer advice was to go along with popular culture and not confront illegal/immoral thinking/behavior.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 6:58:46 AM
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I oppose racism in the abstract because I don't see the things described here. Maybe I don't read enough into every disagreement I have with people. Maybe I am supposed to imagine the worst of motives?
Maybe the white co-worker who told me to go back to Mexico was just wanting me to have a nice vacation? I used to imagine the worst that she was "racist" but NOW I'm understanding more and more that I was overreacting. I may have done something to offend her (speak to my co-workers in Spanish while we were on break) and because we live in a state that is so close to the border, that just came naturally to her mind and she wanted me to enjoy myself. She never meant to infer that I (an American citizen just like her) am an illegal immigrant who needs to leave this country and go back to live in a foreign country. She also never meant to give me the impression that she believed she had the right to tell me what language to speak (repeatedly yelling at me that this is America speak english) and that she had the right to send me out of the country, even just symbolically. I was reading waaay to much into what she was yelling to really stop and think logically what she REALLY meant.
I am not saying there is no racism. I am not saying that people don't experience it. I am saying that not every experience described here has to be racism. It's hard to know the thoughts of others and I cannot imagine what it must be like trying to figure out which situations might or might not be racism.
And I remember an argument with a coworker (whose wife was of Mexican heritage). He felt that Mexicans here should learn English faster than they do. I tried to explain to him that adults do not learn second languages as quickly as the young. Maybe his wife, being Mexican, felt the same way. I simply believe he was more jerk than racist. I had plenty of interactions with him that indicated that to be true. He was a jerk to a lot of people.
A lot of people get irritated that they cannot speak the language of the immigrants. I haven't ever figured out why unless they are thinking about the ones whose English is so poor that clear communication is impossible. I have been to Mexico and spoke to Mexicans in Mexico who spoke much better English than Mexicans who have been here for years. It's difficult to account for it. People who spoke only Spanish never bothered me. I always thought it was cool.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 10:04:28 AM
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rcjames
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Maybe RC can give us his examples of any racism that he has witnessed in this country or anywhere else?
Sure, in the past I have seen folks refused housing because of thier color, and the reason was stated and open. I have seen folks not allowed to enter restaurants and movies. etc. etc. But not so much anymore.
Although I did read about a case of obvious racism that happened recently; you can find it HERE
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 10:36:16 AM
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Oh yea I just remembered another incidence of obvious racism that I saw recently.
On a county road a few miles outside of Jefferson, Texas, there is a small really run doiwn beer joint; on the front are a number of beer adversement signs and one really large sign that says if bold letters; "No (N-word)s Allowed".
I would consider that to be racist.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 11:06:40 AM
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Hence why I quit going to nail parlours run by all Asians. I have no problem with them doing the work, I have a problem with them speaking their native tongue in the presence of those who don't. It is very uncomfortable and rude.
Why? They're not talking to you. Is there some reason you feel you should be allowed to listen in on other people's conversations?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 11:11:34 AM
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Hence why I quit going to nail parlours run by all Asians. I have no problem with them doing the work, I have a problem with them speaking their native tongue in the presence of those who don't. It is very uncomfortable and rude.
Why? They're not talking to you. Is there some reason you feel you should be allowed to listen in on other people's conversations?
Why and or how it is it appropriate to have a private conversation in front of a client?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 11:19:39 AM
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How can it be the consequence of poverty? Why does economic status/situation get the blame for poor moral choices? Crime is a moral choice.
If blacks represent a higher percentage of prison inmates, is that the fault of the system? Or, is there an underlying issue in the black community that is not being addressed? Namely, that immoral thinking and behavior receives greater acceptance than in other cultures.
I'm not sure what you're saying. It sounds like you're saying that black people tend to make poor moral choices but I really doubt that you would say something like that. Please clarify.
That's not at all what I'm saying. Our entire culture has become far too accepting of immoral behavior and the thinking that goes with it. For many years now, we have heard the media tell us that blacks are incarcerated at rates disprporitianaly higher than any other ethnic demographic. The thinking of "popular culture" has eroded to the point that when immoral thinking is presented to a given listener, they are either unable or unwilling to stand up for what they know is right in order to be liked by the person they are speaking to or to avoid public scrutiny.
Yeah, okay, but I don't see what that has to do with the high rate of black incarceration and black-on-black crime. You didn't bring it up, so maybe I should direct that question to rcjames (wait, I already did), but I'm still not getting the connection there, or what it has to do with racism, particularly in the context that it was brought up.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 10/28/2009 11:20:24 AM
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Hence why I quit going to nail parlours run by all Asians. I have no problem with them doing the work, I have a problem with them speaking their native tongue in the presence of those who don't. It is very uncomfortable and rude.
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Why? They're not talking to you. Is there some reason you feel you should be allowed to listen in on other people's conversations?
I get what Tinkerbell is saying. It isn't a matter of listening in on other people's conversation. To me it is customer service thing.
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