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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 6/11/2009 3:33:27 PM
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How can anyone lend an ear to these heretics?
With the young lady I know, and some of those she's influenced, the draw is all about "going deeper" relationally with God.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 6/11/2009 3:42:53 PM
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It's sad and terrible when the pastors will brag to the congregation about some of their young people spending the weekend at Bickle's place, and it follows that when they become young adults they go in the direction they've been led in, to participate in IHOP-KC.
While not an organization, a network of participation exists, and in these cases it's the leaders that bought into it which send their sheep into the waiting arms of Bickle and his unScriptural teaching of bringing about the Second Coming of Christ with 24-7 prayer.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 6/12/2009 9:22:32 AM
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Dominionsim, pure and simple.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 6/13/2009 12:17:11 PM
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Does anyone know anything about this organization?
My gut tells me there is something doctrinally wrong here.
Can anyone help me out?
ihop is a huge place in kansas city missourri. they are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. you can go there to worship or pray or to even hear speakers anytime day or night.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 6/13/2009 12:22:34 PM
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Does anyone know anything about this organization?
My gut tells me there is something doctrinally wrong here.
Can anyone help me out?
ihop is a huge place in kansas city missourri. they are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. you can go there to worship or pray or to even hear speakers anytime day or night.
To hear false teachers and false prophets? Sure.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 6/13/2009 4:19:28 PM
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Does anyone know anything about this organization?
My gut tells me there is something doctrinally wrong here.
Can anyone help me out?
ihop is a huge place in kansas city missourri. they are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. you can go there to worship or pray or to even hear speakers anytime day or night.
To hear false teachers and false prophets? Sure.
Or to get pancakes. They are open 24/7 and require a lot of prayer before consumption.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/11/2009 2:30:48 PM
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Does anyone know anything about this organization?
My gut tells me there is something doctrinally wrong here.
Can anyone help me out?
ihop is a huge place in kansas city missourri. they are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. you can go there to worship or pray or to even hear speakers anytime day or night.
To hear false teachers and false prophets? Sure.
Or to get pancakes. They are open 24/7 and require a lot of prayer before consumption.
Happy upcoming Anniversary to IHOP, from all of your friends among The Vine of The Olives!
1999-2009 One Decade of House of Prayer calling that falls within The High Holy days of The Prophet Moses! Ten years, Ten Commandments on Two Stone Tablets as Witnesses, Ten toes of the warning regarding the rise of the ten leaders who confirm the covenant along with the false prophet beast from the earth to implement the number of his name as restricted commerce worship to himself worldwide. Double edged Sword, two sides, The Word correctly divided can divide between soul, spirit, and tabernacle of clay dust. One Acceptable Sacrifice, Many Offerings in Submission to The Will for is it not written Sheep (lambs) and goats in the law of Moses as appointed once to die as a gift is acceptable according to what one has (faith in God Who Is The Treasured Pearl working out to good that will last among deeds in accordance with what was done for whatsoever one does is as to/for The Lord); and not according to what one does not have.
2 years plus 6 days from September 11, 2001; if Christening fell on the 17.
8 years from September 11, 2001 to date minus six days.
7 years to go before the events coming to pass as written are revealed.
12 years, one for each Apostle, brings us to the year 2021.
Where there are two or more gathered, I AM there with and among them at The Right Hand of God and The Power of God in The Kingdom as written.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 6:20:01 AM
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Happy upcoming Anniversary to IHOP, from all of your friends among The Vine of The Olives!
1999-2009 One Decade of House of Prayer calling that falls within The High Holy days of The Prophet Moses! Ten years, Ten Commandments on Two Stone Tablets as Witnesses, Ten toes of the warning regarding the rise of the ten leaders who confirm the covenant along with the false prophet beast from the earth to implement the number of his name as restricted commerce worship to himself worldwide. Double edged Sword, two sides, The Word correctly divided can divide between soul, spirit, and tabernacle of clay dust. One Acceptable Sacrifice, Many Offerings in Submission to The Will for is it not written Sheep (lambs) and goats in the law of Moses as appointed once to die as a gift is acceptable according to what one has (faith in God Who Is The Treasured Pearl working out to good that will last among deeds in accordance with what was done for whatsoever one does is as to/for The Lord); and not according to what one does not have.
2 years plus 6 days from September 11, 2001; if Christening fell on the 17.....
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 7:09:02 AM
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Happy upcoming Anniversary to IHOP, from all of your friends among The Vine of The Olives!
1999-2009 One Decade of House of Prayer calling that falls within The High Holy days of The Prophet Moses! Ten years, Ten Commandments on Two Stone Tablets as Witnesses, Ten toes of the warning regarding the rise of the ten leaders who confirm the covenant along with the false prophet beast from the earth to implement the number of his name as restricted commerce worship to himself worldwide. Double edged Sword, two sides, The Word correctly divided can divide between soul, spirit, and tabernacle of clay dust. One Acceptable Sacrifice, Many Offerings in Submission to The Will for is it not written Sheep (lambs) and goats in the law of Moses as appointed once to die as a gift is acceptable according to what one has (faith in God Who Is The Treasured Pearl working out to good that will last among deeds in accordance with what was done for whatsoever one does is as to/for The Lord); and not according to what one does not have.
2 years plus 6 days from September 11, 2001; if Christening fell on the 17.
8 years from September 11, 2001 to date minus six days.
7 years to go before the events coming to pass as written are revealed.
12 years, one for each Apostle, brings us to the year 2021.
Where there are two or more gathered, I AM there with and among them at The Right Hand of God and The Power of God in The Kingdom as written.
I do not wish them a happy anything. In the first place check out their "prophetic" beginning, an extenuation of the Kansas City Prophets. There will be an imaginary prize for the person who tells me which "prophet" was riding down the road in a car and looked at a pancake restaurant and said there would be one of those of prayer.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 7:24:28 AM
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Happy upcoming Anniversary to IHOP, from all of your friends among The Vine of The Olives!
1999-2009 One Decade of House of Prayer calling that falls within The High Holy days of The Prophet Moses! Ten years, Ten Commandments on Two Stone Tablets as Witnesses, Ten toes of the warning regarding the rise of the ten leaders who confirm the covenant along with the false prophet beast from the earth to implement the number of his name as restricted commerce worship to himself worldwide. Double edged Sword, two sides, The Word correctly divided can divide between soul, spirit, and tabernacle of clay dust. One Acceptable Sacrifice, Many Offerings in Submission to The Will for is it not written Sheep (lambs) and goats in the law of Moses as appointed once to die as a gift is acceptable according to what one has (faith in God Who Is The Treasured Pearl working out to good that will last among deeds in accordance with what was done for whatsoever one does is as to/for The Lord); and not according to what one does not have.
2 years plus 6 days from September 11, 2001; if Christening fell on the 17.....
My sentiments exactly.
Yohannan, did you even bother to go back and read this thread? If you had, I don't think you'd be congratulating this ministry for anything. As Wintery said (and if you do any research at all, you will clearly see), this movement was founded on false teaching by a false prophet.
P.S. What is exactly is "The Vine of Olives" you speak of...is ot a movement of some sort?
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 12:05:19 PM
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P.S. What is exactly is "The Vine of Olives" you speak of...is ot a movement of some sort?
I tried googling it last night and was not coming up with anything...
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 12:26:09 PM
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All of your well wishing for those 'less' fortunate than yourselves is making me tear up.
Do not be weary in doing well and doing good in wishing other well.
I am sure that there are many 'secular' peoples that would be congenial in their show of affection for some that had a community fellowship.
I could have sworn that The Prophets said that The Lord planted vines in a yard and placed a wall around it and placed a Watchtower in it and sent His Watchmen to alert the peoples in that town of what was coming when the plumb line measurement for how covered the peoples were going to be in protection from enemies was pulled out.
Some have chosen gossip, faultfinding, dissension, and negative speech as a tool for 'building' up other congregations of people that they do not even associate with on a personal basis.
Name it in a label of 'false' and claim it: that some were 'better' than other peoples because only they have a monopoly on precepts based on scripture. These are the Scriptures that speak about Jesus, some refuse to receive Him in coming to Him to obtain Life. They followed precept is written.
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Happy upcoming Anniversary to IHOP, from all of your friends among The Vine of The Olives!
1999-2009 One Decade of House of Prayer calling that falls within The High Holy days of The Prophet Moses! Ten years, Ten Commandments on Two Stone Tablets as Witnesses, Ten toes of the warning regarding the rise of the ten leaders who confirm the covenant along with the false prophet beast from the earth to implement the number of his name as restricted commerce worship to himself worldwide. Double edged Sword, two sides, The Word correctly divided can divide between soul, spirit, and tabernacle of clay dust. One Acceptable Sacrifice, Many Offerings in Submission to The Will for is it not written Sheep (lambs) and goats in the law of Moses as appointed once to die as a gift is acceptable according to what one has (faith in God Who Is The Treasured Pearl working out to good that will last among deeds in accordance with what was done for whatsoever one does is as to/for The Lord); and not according to what one does not have.
2 years plus 6 days from September 11, 2001; if Christening fell on the 17.....
My sentiments exactly.
Yohannan, did you even bother to go back and read this thread? If you had, I don't think you'd be congratulating this ministry for anything. As Wintery said (and if you do any research at all, you will clearly see), this movement was founded on false teaching by a false prophet.
P.S. What is exactly is "The Vine of Olives" you speak of...is ot a movement of some sort?
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 12:55:18 PM
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All of your well wishing for those 'less' fortunate than yourselves is making me tear up.
Do not be weary in doing well and doing good in wishing other well.
I am sure that there are many 'secular' peoples that would be congenial in their show of affection for some that had a community fellowship.
I could have sworn that The Prophets said that The Lord planted vines in a yard and placed a wall around it and placed a Watchtower in it and sent His Watchmen to alert the peoples in that town of what was coming when the plumb line measurement for how covered the peoples were going to be in protection from enemies was pulled out.
Some have chosen gossip, faultfinding, dissension, and negative speech as a tool for 'building' up other congregations of people that they do not even associate with on a personal basis.
Name it in a label of 'false' and claim it: that some were 'better' than other peoples because only they have a monopoly on precepts based on scripture. These are the Scriptures that speak about Jesus, some refuse to receive Him in coming to Him to obtain Life. They followed precept is written.
They make themselves false with their own ideas that borrow a Scripture but change the meaning, or else just flat-out call it direct revelation from God. They make themselves this, and having a community of error is not having something about Jesus. When I see some I know intent on moving out there because they think it will bring them closer to God, because they think somebody's personal teaching and ideas are unique and special because it's a God thing, I know that your idea of a monopoly on precepts may sound good, but it's the other way around.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 3:26:43 PM
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All of your well wishing for those 'less' fortunate than yourselves is making me tear up.
Do not be weary in doing well and doing good in wishing other well.
I am sure that there are many 'secular' peoples that would be congenial in their show of affection for some that had a community fellowship.
I could have sworn that The Prophets said that The Lord planted vines in a yard and placed a wall around it and placed a Watchtower in it and sent His Watchmen to alert the peoples in that town of what was coming when the plumb line measurement for how covered the peoples were going to be in protection from enemies was pulled out.
Some have chosen gossip, faultfinding, dissension, and negative speech as a tool for 'building' up other congregations of people that they do not even associate with on a personal basis.
Name it in a label of 'false' and claim it: that some were 'better' than other peoples because only they have a monopoly on precepts based on scripture. These are the Scriptures that speak about Jesus, some refuse to receive Him in coming to Him to obtain Life. They followed precept is written.
They make themselves false with their own ideas that borrow a Scripture but change the meaning, or else just flat-out call it direct revelation from God. They make themselves this, and having a community of error is not having something about Jesus. When I see some I know intent on moving out there because they think it will bring them closer to God, because they think somebody's personal teaching and ideas are unique and special because it's a God thing, I know that your idea of a monopoly on precepts may sound good, but it's the other way around.
Yet these are not among the 'noble' houses of the established and appointed and set up administrations of some hierarchy; are they?
So, then, how many more organizations are these planning to 'discredit'; when it is their own brotherhoods on other divisions of other templars who would normally understand a greater commitment to the whole as One?
Though accentuating a division in order to cover up may seem shrewd to outsiders, by hiding these things in plain sight, I believe that some measure of respect for the general welfare of a brotherhood would be in order; at times.
The Lord does not exclude Himself along racial, sectarian, or with regards to some sins as written regarding the woman at the well for He Cares for the welfare of the sheep.
It was The Shepherds that were Prophesied concerning as scattering the sheep all over the hillside for their lack of caring and attention to what was really of the faith of substance. Was it not these who ran the Church who sentenced Him to death in fulfillment of The Prophecy when He Came? It was The High Church at The Temple; which were those who were filling the seats of Moses; and now the seats of The Apostles and Elders in the mean time. Which it is written in The Prophecy that some who were not chosen would be allowed to offer sacrifices and offerings; until the next verse which is The Millennium. For sacrifice and offering was Through The Spirit and Truth not with respect to what Church or hill one is Worshipping on as written because of the diaspora and kingdoms and empires phenomenon regarding a persons situational opportunities.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 9/15/2009 3:35:44 PM
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Yet these are not among the 'noble' houses of the established and appointed and set up administrations of some hierarchy; are they?
So, then, how many more organizations are these planning to 'discredit'; when it is their own brotherhoods on other divisions of other templars who would normally understand a greater commitment to the whole as One?
Being unique does not make anyone correct. Forget hierarchy, the problem is the difference between the God's word in the Bible and the "deeper" teachings which are a departure.
As far as "noble" in quotes, come on, praying to a clock by the nature of it implies that something is being done that was not done without IHOP. God is God over the whole world where there is always someone awake and praying, I venture to say.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/1/2009 1:15:45 PM
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The current issue of The Christian Research Journal (vol.32, no.4) has an article on Mike Bickle and his interpretation of Revelation (really makes christians into a bloodthirsty lot, and God rather helpless without us). May be of interest to the readers of this thread, although they tend to skirt around the cult like aspects of his IHOP movement when they mention it.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/9/2009 3:57:45 PM
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Digrieze: really makes christians into a bloodthirsty lot, and God rather helpless without us
That's Dominionism.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/9/2009 5:50:38 PM
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Digrieze: really makes christians into a bloodthirsty lot, and God rather helpless without us
That's Dominionism.
Again, for details, see the above article. Personally I think it's worse than dominism (or a worse derivitive). In Bickles' theology it'll be his "forerunners" through the worldwide IHOP network that pray in and release the plagues and devastation of the apocalypse. In this twisting the "true" christians seem to revel in this misiry and destruction.
Traditianaly the bowls of wraith have been considered the consequences that evil men's action have built up and lead to, and that Christ comes in and stops the carnage of the Christless world restoring order and redeeming all of creation with the same redemption he offers to us.
In Bickles' twisted vision Christ becomes a "bloody christ" that is quite the opposite of the redeeming creator revealed in scripture.
Please read the article. It will give a great deal of illumination to the "IHOP" and "Harp and Bowl" movements that is greatly needed. It's amazing how negative these movements look when a little truth is shined onto them. (but that's generally true of any dominist movement)
I am more and more convinced that their god is not my God (too powerless) and their christ is not my Christ (too cruel and bloodthirsty).
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/9/2009 6:06:00 PM
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Again, for details, see the above article. Personally I think it's worse than dominism (or a worse derivitive).
It will give a great deal of illumination to the "IHOP" and "Harp and Bowl" movements that is greatly needed. It's amazing how negative these movements look when a little truth is shined onto them. (but that's generally true of any dominist movement)
I am more and more convinced that their god is not my God (too powerless) and their christ is not my Christ (too cruel and bloodthirsty).
Don't worry. I've studied Bickle and his movement quite a bit so I understand what you're saying. What he is spouting is indeed a derivative, but it still stems from the same source. Bickle falls into the very whacked militant subcategory of Dominionism called the 'New Apostolic Reformation' movement. This branch has a lust for personal power, control, and glory. And I agree that their 'christ' is quite different from the Christ of the Holy Bible.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/10/2009 4:13:52 AM
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The current issue of The Christian Research Journal (vol.32, no.4) has an article on Mike Bickle and his interpretation of Revelation (really makes christians into a bloodthirsty lot, and God rather helpless without us). May be of interest to the readers of this thread, although they tend to skirt around the cult like aspects of his IHOP movement when they mention it.
Digrieze,
Can you please summarize or post some of the article? The magazine requires a subscription and not all of us can afford to line Hank's pockets! Unless there is a place online to read it for free?
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/10/2009 4:16:22 AM
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Don't worry. I've studied Bickle and his movement quite a bit so I understand what you're saying. What he is spouting is indeed a derivative, but it still stems from the same source. Bickle falls into the very whacked militant subcategory of Dominionism called the 'New Apostolic Reformation' movement. This branch has a lust for personal power, control, and glory. And I agree that their 'christ' is quite different from the Christ of the Holy Bible.
lw9, I am interested in your thoughts. Would you please post some more regarding why you believe Bickle preaches a "different Christ"?
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/10/2009 5:29:11 AM
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Just for giggles, I went and re-read IHOP's Statement of Faith and Affirmations and Denials pages. I also considered all of the folks I know who have actually spent time at IHOP and know Mike Bickle, as well as the time I have personally spent with Bickle (still one of the most loving, humble, generous men I have met) of which all of them are still completely biblical Christians... all of these ignorant accusations and broad, sweeping accusations from folks who are nearly completely in the dark regarding Bickle and IHOP, folks who have read a random internet article from other folks who have read internet articles who heard stuff from someone who heard stuff from someone... well, they are quite frankly tilting at windmills and battling strawmen.
Bottom line of my commentary: I have spent a little time interacting with IHOP and Mike Bickle. Family members of mine have spent much more time interacting with IHOP and Mike Bickle. Friends of mine have spent even more time interacting with IHOP and Mike Bickle. WHenever I talk to them about the stuff I read posted HERE about IHOP and Mike Bickle, we all end up sharing a good laugh and then scratching our heads, because we were never taught nor witnessed the teachings that folks here accuse IHOP and Mike Bickle of teaching or being associated with.
STATEMENT OF FAITH:
http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000050150
Hmmm... looks like a statement of faith that could be from just about any protestant evangelical church across the USA and maybe the world.
http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000050149
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We Affirm that the Church will experience the greatest outpouring of the Spirit in history before Jesus returns (Joel 2:28–32). This outpouring will result in a great ingathering of souls and a renewing of the Church so that it walks in godliness as declared in the Sermon on the Mount (Mt. 5:1–7:28). We affirm the presence of the fivefold ministry for the equipping of the saints (Eph. 4:11–13).
We Deny the distinctive doctrines that go beyond Scripture that are often associated with the Latter Rain theology that was popularized in the 1950s.
Explanation: Some have wrongly identified our ministry today with the false teachings that were popularized by some in the Latter Rain movement. At no time in the past did we have any relationship with this movement.
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Dominion Theology
We Affirm that God’s purpose is for Jesus to come back to fully establish His kingdom rule over all the earth. After the second coming, the saints will rule the earth under the leadership of Jesus Christ when He sets up His government on earth in the millennial kingdom (1 Cor. 6:2; Rev. 5:10; 20:3–6). We believe that believers in this age are called to serve Jesus in politics and to help establish righteousness and justice in legislation. We do not have the assurance that all laws and governments will be changed until after the second coming of Jesus to establish His millennial kingdom.
We Deny that the Church will take over all the governments of the earth before the return of Christ.
Explanation: Some believe and teach that all governments on earth will be transformed by the Church before the second coming of Jesus.
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"And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth." - 2nd Timothy 2:24,25
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/10/2009 11:42:09 AM
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lw9
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manimalx: lw9, I am interested in your thoughts. Would you please post some more regarding why you believe Bickle preaches a "different Christ"?
The jesus of Dominionism bears little resemblance to the Jesus of the Holy Bible. While it may sound the same at first glance, the foundational theology is severely flawed. For further details, there are threads here and articles on the net that cover the history and principles of Dominionism [Latter Rain, Kingdom Theology]. Once a person is familar with the basics, they can then see these principles at work through cults and various groups quite easily.
Mike Bickle can write all the denial statements he wants. The reality is that he's STILL teaching false Dominionist principles [which includes promoting false prophecy, false gifts, false teaching, lifting up and glorifying man while lowering Christ, claiming non-Biblical supernatural abilities and revelations] and he's STILL supporting and associating with major players in the Dominionist NAR and WOF movements [Elijah List, Lou Engle, The Call, Paul Cain, Kenneth Hagin, Bob Jones, C. Peter Wagner, etc].
Bottom line: Bickle is a false teacher and false prophet who promotes false gifts, false signs, and other false teachers and false prophets. He claims believers can take dominion and release God's power through words and 'prophetic' decrees. He claims his movement will call Christ down from His throne, usher in the Second Coming, release new revelation, transform governments and all areas of culture, restore the church [as if the body of Christ needs to be restored by self-proclaimed prophets and apostles], change the spiritual atmosphere of cities, release the fullness of God's power and healing, and be part of a global transfer of wealth** - among other wild claims. That *IS* Dominionism.
The christ that Bickle claims these 'new' revelations, prophecies, and teachings come from does not match the teachings of the Christ of the Holy Bible. Solid examples of this have been given all throughout the 29 pages of this thread, and you can find the proof of this in his visions, prophecies, and teachings on the IHOP site, as well, so feel free to read through.
** See Bickle's 'The 4-Fold Mandate of the IHOP-KC Missions Base', 'Walking in the light', 'Supernatural Wealth', 'Signs and wonders authority of the believer prophetic decree'
< Message edited by lw9 -- 10/10/2009 3:17:18 PM >
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Thi4f... seriously, guys?? This does not bode well.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/10/2009 2:27:06 PM
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tsnody2001
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lw9, I totally agree with you. I have a very close friend who is MASSIVELY in debt and is heavily involved in IHOP. Somehow, without working to pay off debt, he thinks that God is going to supernaturally just send him a blank check to pay off the debt he got through irresponsibility. Jobs are hard to come by, but he rarely even tried to work... but he sees it as a blessing that he doesn't get work, so that he can spend all his time in KC, MO shut up in their 24-7 prayer room. All the while, he sends out mass e-mails for people to send him money to support him. I am very concerned for him, for his mind has been taken over by Bickle and his hounds. Several different times I have shown him pages and pages and pages of documented evidence that the IHOP movement is dangerous (mostly in Bickle's own words), but he flat out refuses to even consider any of it, but only passionately defends the man. We need to pray for EVERY person who has been deceived by this false prophet. I just pray that God will have mercy on them because even He said that He would send strong delusion to those who choose to believe a lie... who refuse to look at and examine the fruit of a "ministry".
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Until He Returns (Rev. 2:17),
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During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 10/10/2009 3:11:32 PM
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lw9
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tsnody2001:
Thanks for posting your testimony. We need more people like you to speak up and speak out against this movement. I'm really sorry to hear about your friend. After reading through Bickle's teachings and prophecies, it's easy to see why his followers would feel the way your friend does about finances. Yeah, don't worry about those bills. It will all be taken care of... somehow. Dominionism is a modern day spiritual plague.
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Thi4f... seriously, guys?? This does not bode well.
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