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RE: topless women - 12/6/2007 2:17:27 AM
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c_h_b
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For one it's obviously a cultural issue judging from National Geographic!
I beg your pardon?
Pagan social observances, be they New Guinean, African, (or French for that matter), create moral discrepancies, this is not simply cultural.
Unbelievable...
Yes..unbelievable how people can project their own cultural biases onto others and call it "morality".
Our "moral" society suffers a huge amount of sexual crime and dysfunction compared to those "pagan" societies in which the people are "naked and unashamed".
A good friend of mine regularly travels to an Indian reservation in Brazil. The people he visits go down to the river every morning to bathe. Men and women bathe in the same spot, and many of the women are topless. The men think nothing of it. No one gets sexually aroused or gawks at the women's breasts because that is the way they have always done things. The people are strong, Bible believing Christians. They have far less lust in their hearts, even with topless women bathing, than is the average for American Christians who are supposedly so moral.
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RE: topless women - 12/6/2007 2:26:05 AM
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BeesKnees
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Yes..unbelievable how people can project their own cultural biases onto others and call it "morality".
We can agree to disagree.
However, you have selected a lone "target," when there are others who have expressed this view.
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RE: topless women - 12/9/2007 12:34:14 AM
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First and foremost, I have a very hard time believing that biblical nakedness equals topless globally. If it did, we would have had lots and lots of hungry children for millennia. It's the intense fear of a couple of boobies by grown men that makes it illegal for a woman to feed her kid in public in some places. That's just ludicrous, to me. Second, we have to define lust again if you believe that a man looking at a the beauty of a woman's chest is the same as lusting after her. Lust means to commit adultery in your heart, straight from the Bible. This means you have to want to have sex with the person after whom you're lusting. I know married men who wouldn't dream of cheating on their wives, but if a woman is topless in a movie we're watching, they'll elbow me and give a little chuckle. Does that make them lustful people? I, for one, don't believe so. Third, chill out! We don't all have to have the same convictions about this. It's not like the world will change overnight and everyone will walk around all day long with their boobs hanging out. If you have a problem with seeing breasts, then avoid it! If you don't, then go about your lives as normal. The problem, as with anything, is when one does take it to the next level, but that's not at all what we're talking about, and that's their own personal issue, the one who takes it to that level.
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RE: topless women - 12/10/2007 12:15:52 PM
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we have to define lust again if you believe that a man looking at a the beauty of a woman's chest is the same as lusting after her. Lust means to commit adultery in your heart, straight from the Bible. This means you have to want to have sex with the person after whom you're lusting. I know married men who wouldn't dream of cheating on their wives, but if a woman is topless in a movie we're watching, they'll elbow me and give a little chuckle. Does that make them lustful people? I, for one, don't believe so. You are fighing a lot of history here. For generations it has been taught that ANY sexual feeling or desire (or inadvertant sighting of a bare ankle) was sinful lust and adultery, even a young person that does not understand the sensations and desires they feel, or that they have anything to do with sex.
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RE: topless women - 12/10/2007 4:28:18 PM
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For generations people were taught that the earth was the center of the universe. History and tradition are less important to me than the truth. If they're the same, so be it, but I don't see the evidence for such.
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RE: topless women - 12/11/2007 6:37:39 AM
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Even though there have been countless proofs of the Earth being spherical, in orbit around the Sun, etc, there are still those who hold that the Earth is flat, and the sun still orbits US. And it has been HOW many centuries? 3? 4? 5?
My point is that deeply held opinions take a long time to die out, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Do not expect a change in the overall church attitude for at least a couple of generations.
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RE: topless women - 12/11/2007 2:05:11 PM
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McFatty
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I don't at all. I would like individual people to look at the Word, though, before they book their seat on the bandwagon.
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RE: topless women - 4/21/2008 9:56:12 AM
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Wherever it is considered acceptable for men to go topless, it should be acceptable for women to go topless as well. Women should feel free to go to any beach without wearing a top just as men do.
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RE: topless women - 4/22/2008 2:00:52 AM
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A Woman's are just larger
God was good to us.
But really, the Bible states that women are to dress modestly. I don't think going topless relates to modesty.
Besides, those areas should only be exposed to and exclusive to her husband, nobody else.
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RE: topless women - 4/27/2008 6:05:17 AM
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Proverbs 5:19
A loving doe, a graceful deer-- may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love.
I don't think this is talking about feeding husbands here.
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