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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/1/2008 12:29:24 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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Maybe we will have two types of revivals going on at the same time 
The type Marksman writes about and the type I think I know that GloryandGrace alludes to.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/1/2008 3:16:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace
Ill be candid with my thoughts on why no revival. Im not looking for a list of reasons as much as I am looking for why YOU have not prayed for or are expecting a Revival?
Ultimately, it is God who brings revival, not us. Prior to the Great Awakening, generations of believers were praying for revival and never saw it. But God answered their prayers in His perfect timing. Are we so different?
One thing I have noted about revival: It always occurs on the heels of powerful preaching. And I don't mean seeker-sensitive, feel-good, "practical" (i.e., tell me how to balance my checkbook) sermons. I'm referring to the unabashed preaching of God's word -- to include the wickedness of men, the Holiness of God, and the reality of Hell. The Good News of the gospel can only be seen as truly good when it is set against the backdrop of our horrible condition apart from Christ. Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley, George Whitefield... these men preached the word in the power of the Spirit. And God worked through their preaching.
If you want to see revival in our day, by all means pray for it. But preach for it as well.
In Him,
~Aphobos
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/1/2008 6:51:16 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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The Welsh revival beginnings were fascinating.
I cannot remember his name but there was a pastor from the UK (England or Wales) who moved to the USA. While in the USA, he began to be greatly burdened for his homeland. Hence he began praying for revival in his homeland.
A number of years later, God took him back to the UK and he began ministering to other pastors in the area about revival....I don't remember how many years it was after that, that the great Welsh revival began.
I don't believe any revival, born in the heart of God will start without much prayer beforehand.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/2/2008 4:16:56 PM
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Gloryandgrace
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If you want to see revival in our day, by all means pray for it. But preach for it as well.
This sentence is too good to be left alone on this thread, from henceforth I will use it. Wont they love it when I say "Aphobos said"....
Thanks for a great insight.
John
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/8/2008 6:29:11 AM
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Having sat down and reflected about my own personal experience after I was baptised in the spirit about 40 years ago and have been seriously involved in the charismatic renewal in the UK right from the beginning and other pentecostal streams elsewhere, it seems to me that whereas I saw and experienced most of the gifts of the spirit and saw the resultant miracles and the fact that faith in God rose and people's love for him increased, what we need to day is an increase in speaking in tongues both natural and supernatural and the other gifts to bring us all into a greater awareness of the power and presence of God.
I can remember times when we felt the manifest presence of God that was tangible as he came down amongst us and he was present to heal and deliver and evidence his supernatural nature. At times like that we were in no doubt who God was and what he was like...and what was required of us.
I remember one camp of teens where I was a counsellor, and we started singing in the evening meeting in the marquee and the presence of God came down and visited the kids. We could see and hear the angels joining together in the kids singing. Bring it on I say! revive us again Lord!
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/8/2008 4:46:54 PM
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Hi... I'm Lew and new on the board. This is a great question and one I've pondered a lot recently myself. I include myself in all I write.
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14"
Seems to me that a revival starts with God imparting to God's people and nothing more and nothing else. It's then up to God's people to follow. The problem seems to be what is the 'follow', and how do you do it in this day and age.
What does the above scripture actually mean?
What does humble mean and HOW does this apply to our lives?
Pray.. I think we all know what that means.
Seek his face.. seems self explanatory, but is it? What are we seeking?
What are the wicked ways?
What is 'their sin'?
Some say there's no reason to worry about law. That we're free from the law. Is it that we're free from the law, or that we are free from BREAKING the law? Isn't wickedness choosing NOT to follow the law? Isn't the law just holiness as Aphobos alluded to earlier? Didn't Jesus say that he came not to abolish the law, but to fullfil the law?
To some professing Xians
Listening to secular Marilyn Manson is perfectly fine.
Watching tv 6 hours a day?
Not wanting to help the helpless?
More interested in the bank account?
Not interested in abortion of millions yearly?
Not TITHING
Are they fine by God's standards? Is it Be thee Holy, as I am Holy?
Seems to me that a revival would encompass all things Christ. That includes a moral standard after the spiritual awakening. To have 20-30K worshipping together is great, but how is that changing our neighborhoods.
I think this is a pretty good article on the question.
http://www.crosswalk.com/1425945/
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/9/2008 1:00:47 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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ORIGINAL: lewr2
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14"
Seems to me that a revival starts with God imparting to God's people and nothing more and nothing else. It's then up to God's people to follow. The problem seems to be what is the 'follow', and how do you do it in this day and age.
What does the above scripture actually mean?
Seek his face.. seems self explanatory, but is it? What are we seeking?
I think the better question is, Who are we seeking? To me, seeking His face involves a degree of seeking to know God and be known of Him in an intimate way. To know His ways, to know His heart, for to know Him is the way the heart becomes aflame with love for Him...
And, until our hearts become set on Him any talk of revival is meaningless and shallow.
But, you are correct...He has to be the One drawing one to Himself...then the one being drawn needs to respond...
Welcome to forums!
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/9/2008 3:05:16 PM
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lewr2
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Thanks for the welcoming.
I agree that we should be on HIM.
After we seek and find Him, (first part of revival equation) doesn't He wants ALL of us Xians to do, or can we rest on our laurels of being 'revived'. What is the revival that He wants? What does this all really, deeply mean?
In Christ
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 1/12/2008 9:19:29 PM
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revival comes when man totaly surrenders his will to God's will, that is when man from all sincerity of heart asks God to make him what God wants him to be. God knows our hearts he is not going to be fooled, there are many of us praying and fasting for revival on this earth, and within us. it is the will of God.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 6/30/2008 9:14:16 PM
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ChristopherJ
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Wow, I just came across this thread today sort of by accident as I was looking for related threads to the Lakeland 'revival' one. Sorry I missed this great discussion! I myself have been praying for revival for most of my Christian life, and am contending for a fresh outpouring of God's Spirit in revival, refreshing and reformation in my life, my family, my church, and my nation of Canada.
Incidentally, tomorrow is Canada Day - our 141st birthday. Part of our national anthem says:
"God keep our land, glorious and free - O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!"
Any other Canadians out there?
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 7/1/2008 3:10:38 PM
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yustme
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace
Ill be candid with my thoughts on why no revival. Im not looking for a list of reasons as much as I am looking for why YOU have not prayed for or are expecting a Revival?
Some of you might be praying for revival in your churches, your own life or for the Church in general.
It amazes me that so much hardness of heart exists behind a profession of orthodoxy love and fellowship but then again it exists behind my professions as well. I have felt a burden to know God in a greater way than I ever have. I have also experienced sin failures that seem to remain like a wooden idol nailed into the frame of my home, nothing short of a demolition hammer will remove it.
As I view the TV news, world events, the state of the Church in America
the young adults floundering and youth subjected to every assault of their minds and bodies I see that God is absent.
I cannot take pleasure in God's Sovereignty and convince myself that my current intercession, spirital watchfulness, Christlikeness are up to par.
Its not even a matter of being up to par, its a matter of having a heart that is aflame for God himself, zealous and anointed by the Spirit of God.
I will not substitute faith in God's Sovereignty for the satisfaction of knowing God deeply enough to be led by Him to live and preach the gospel with the power and unction of God.
My first impression is that the pastors are asleep. The congregations are asleep, or lukewarm. Some are so inward focused that the whole world could burn in cataclysmic flame and they wouldnt care. Others are so doctrinally skewed that to seek revival is to show intolerance to someone not seeking revival. Some are completely misled, they seek revival for fund raising, for healing services, for a better atmosphere at church.
It seems as though few are actually seeking revival or even care.
What say you?
AMEN,AMEN,AMEN!!!! We are living in a very dangerous time.Church has changed drasticly,and it's not all for the good.The Scripture says that satan will come as an angel of light deceiving many.And that's exactly what's happening in todays church and everywhere else.
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