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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 7:41:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: HisPriest Well, here is the problem we miss the whole point; from the beginning of the Bible we know that whatever we do without God, we will fail! We read many times how the people of Israel promise that they will keep the commandments “All that the Lord hath spoken we will do,” They promise this base in their own strength rather then have the strength from God; was without question a superficial demonstration of religious enthusiasm, a momentary reaction to a glorious and sublime truth. There was lacking the spirit of deep, true conversion, the “heart” to do what God demanded. We don’t need to be perfect to keep the Law We don’t became perfect by keeping the Law We are not saved by Keeping the Law The word of God is very clear in this, it says: “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Romans 3:20) The law can only expose the sinfulness of sin in its true colors. Justification can be obtained in only one way through Jesus Christ. The idea that Jesus came to fulfill the law to give us the freedom of have other gods, or to dishonor our parents, or to kill, or to commit adultery, I am sorry but it sounds like a crazy idea. He came and show the He is obedient to the will of His Father and He give us an example to fallow, He knows our weakness, He knows that we will fell down on our faces; but He also show us that He is there extending His hand for us to take, stand up, and keep walking in the right path. Nicely said, very nice... I think many of here concur with your post. We fail...we always will fail...we NEVER can succeed. Only Jesus can overcome, endure, obey, perfect, and complete. If we are in Christ, sealed in His Holy Blood, we are guaranteed life. Two questions however... 1) No one supports grace as license to break law 2) Did you say "We don't need to be perfect to keep the law" ? Please elaborate... PS: Thanks for the engaging, thoughtful posts !
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 7:46:12 AM
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Let's look at a conversion of a sinner... How is the sinner saved...what is God's appeal ? Does the sinner respond to law, or mercy and grace ? What is the convert told about the law ? Let's say the convert claims Ephesians 2:8-9 I tell them exactly what about the law ? Do they keep salvation by keeping the law ? How does one explain law to new Christian ?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 7:47:25 AM
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Eye for an eye... Was that a law ? But didn't Jesus change that law ?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 11:36:57 AM
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FYI Notice Peter is only talking to men here because they were in the Temple ( but Yeshua said "it is finished" why would they be in that sinful place?) So now lets look at the rest of the story and what happened during Peter's "sermon". Couldn't Peter learn from Yeshua on how to make a statement to the religious right (in their mind) in his day?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 11:54:27 AM
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Not sure if you went to my link and followed the reports of Ami (the boy I mentioned) but the investigations point to the bombing being the work of anti missionaries. They hate Christians or anyone claiming Yeshua as Messiah because of the lies that in order to be a Christian you must be converted to Christianity and give up the traditions and Torah. This is generations old and began with the organized church via Constantine and the early church fathers. Unless you stand and look a Jew in the eye and hear him/her tell you how "Christians" have destroyed their family because of past history it doesn't make sense. But it is true. You might be suprised that Peter and Paul were being accused of removing the Torah and traditions in their day. And guess what happen to them?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 1:47:09 PM
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This is certainly a novel way to dismiss God's truth. "It is simply out of context". And what was the context when all Israel made a golden calf and worshipped it in the wilderness while Moses was with God on Mt. Sinai? All Israel did not worship the calf. The tribe of Levi did not: Exo 32:26 then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, Who is on ADONAI's side? Come to me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves to him. Exo 32:27 And he said to them, Thus says ADONAI, the God of Israel: Each man put his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and kill each one his brother, and each one his neighbor, and each one his kindred. Exo 32:28 And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses. And there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. As well as Joshua :(Exo 32:17) And Joshua heard the voice of the people in their shouting. And he said to Moses, A sound of war in the camp! And what was the context when John the Baptist came announing Messiah to Israel and all Israel cried "Crucify Him!" "Crucify Him"? Please show me the scripture where they cried to crucify Yeshua when John the Baptist announced Messiah. So let's not use the pretext of context to dodge the truth of God's Word. It is God who declared Israel to be a disobedient and gainsaying people in Isaiah, in Romans, and in all the Prophets. Therefore your dispute is now with the Almighty. You and I both need to be in the Word more anyway so show me more scripture in Isaiah and Romans and the Prophets that say G~d threw away His people because they were disobedient and as you say gainsaying. Only this time use more than just one verse to prove your point. This is certainly a novel way to dismiss God's truth. G~d's truth or the parts of G~d's truth that suit your argument. Comment on this please especially the blue highlight: Rom 10:21 But to Israel He says, "All day long I have stretched forth My hands to a disobeying and gainsaying people." Rom 11:1 I say then, Did not God put away His people? Let it not be said! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:2 God did not thrust out His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture said in Elijah, how he pleaded with God against Israel, saying, Rom 11:3 "Lord, they killed Your prophets and dug down Your altars, and I am left alone, and they seek my life." Rom 11:4 But what does the Divine answer say to him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." Rom 11:5 Even so then, also in this present time a remnant according to the election of grace has come into being. Rom 11:6 But if by grace, then it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it is of works, then it is no more of grace; otherwise work is no more work. Rom 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained that which it seeks, but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened Rom 11:8 even as it is written, "God gave to them a spirit of slumber, eyes not seeing, and ears not hearing" until this day. Rom 11:12 But if their slipping away is the riches of the world, and their default is the riches of the nations, how much more their fullness? Rom 11:15 For if their casting away is the reconciling of the world, what is the reception except life from the dead? Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, it is not you that bears the root, but the root bears you. Rom 11:19 You will say then, The branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in. Rom 11:20 Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 1:58:43 PM
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You might be suprised that Peter and Paul were being accused of removing the Torah and traditions in their day. And guess what happen to them? The work of the enemy has been going on for a long time I'll grant you that. Sad thing is, Peter and Paul were accused of things that were not so. They loved and followed Torah. They were being falsely accused. Many in the church however are indeed removing Torah and traditions from the People. You might be suprised that I have well meaning Christians all the time telling me I can't follow Torah or the traditions and be a Christian. And yes Peter and Paul were murdered for their faith. And by the grace of HaShem Ami was spared.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 3:17:36 PM
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But today seminaries across the Christian spectrum teach, as Vanderbilt University New Testament scholar Amy-Jill Levine says, that "if you get the [Jewish] context wrong, you will certainly get Jesus wrong." quote:
That's not a frivolous query. Ideally, the reassessment should increase both Jewish-Christian amity and gospel clarity, things that won't happen if regular Christians feel that in rediscovering Jesus the Jew, they have lost Christ. Yet Bell finds this particular genie so logically powerful that he has no wish to rebottle it. Once in, he says, "you're in deep. You're hooked. 'Cause you can't ever read it the same way again." Article can be found at: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1720049_1720050_1721663,00.html
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 3:57:36 PM
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But today seminaries across the Christian spectrum teach, as Vanderbilt University New Testament scholar Amy-Jill Levine says, that "if you get the [Jewish] context wrong, you will certainly get Jesus wrong." quote:
That's not a frivolous query. Ideally, the reassessment should increase both Jewish-Christian amity and gospel clarity, things that won't happen if regular Christians feel that in rediscovering Jesus the Jew, they have lost Christ. Yet Bell finds this particular genie so logically powerful that he has no wish to rebottle it. Once in, he says, "you're in deep. You're hooked. 'Cause you can't ever read it the same way again." Good article! basically on how important it is for people to see a Jew in Jesus so they get the christianity right. I am still working the simpler, but more productive to reach the above goal task - making sure people see Jesus in a Jew (or jewess in my case ;)
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 4:02:49 PM
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They loved and followed Torah. They were being falsely accused. Many in the church however are indeed removing Torah and traditions from the People. You might be suprised that I have well meaning Christians all the time telling me I can't follow Torah or the traditions and be a Christian. And yes Peter and Paul were murdered for their faith. And by the grace of HaShem Ami was spared. Wait a second with that thought. Paul of all people ate everything a pagen would eat except if it was killed to worship another god. please read Galatians 2; beginning in verse 11, where the story Paul writes about is over one of those torah laws. Such as what to be eaten. You know that God gave a vision to Peter with food on a blanket. Told Peter to get up kill and eat it Peter said not I Lord for nothing has entered my mouth that is unclean. Notice what is said to Peter after that responce from him. Do not call anything impure that God has made clean. Whoops there goes a tradition and a law after the first ten rules up in a blanket. Why would the Lord given this vision to him if he needed to stay kosher?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 4:39:28 PM
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Shalom Odeliya quote:
Wait a second with that thought. Paul of all people ate everything a pagen would eat except if it was killed to worship another god. please read Galatians 2; beginning in verse 11, where the story Paul writes about is over one of those torah laws. Such as what to be eaten. You know that God gave a vision to Peter with food on a blanket. Told Peter to get up kill and eat it Peter said not I Lord for nothing has entered my mouth that is unclean. Notice what is said to Peter after that responce from him. Do not call anything impure that God has made clean. Whoops there goes a tradition and a law after the first ten rules up in a blanket. Why would the Lord given this vision to him if he needed to stay kosher? Oh boy! Yes Peter ate with the Goyim. But no where does it say he ate a ham sandwich. The Talmud forbade Jews and Gentiles even eating together at the same table or even in the same room. No were in the Scriptures does it say they couldn't eat together but the extra biblical laws (WHICH ARE NOT THE TORAH) made this a practice. Peter was being reprimanded by Paul because when Paul came in Peter quickly moved away from the group of Goyim. No he didn't spit the ham sandwich out of his mouth. No doubt they were eating bread and cheese and fruit. Secondly you have completely missed the point of Acts 10-11. IF you will see in Ch 10 we get the account of Cornielus a righteous Gentile praying and an angel telling him he needs to send for Peter. In the meantime we have Peter on the roof at noon doing his 2nd of 3 times a day prayers that all Jewish men do everyday even now. He has the trance. Yes there are unclean animals and reptiles in the sheet. But each time the sheet is taken back up to heaven. No he doesn't have a BBQ the last time the sheet is before him. He then ponders what that all means. AND THEN the gang from Caesarea comes and invites Peter to his house. Before the trance Peter would never have even considered going to a Goyim's house but the L~rd thru the trance shows him that: Act 10:17 And while Peter doubted within himself what the vision which he had seen might be, even behold, the men who were sent from Cornelius had asked for Simon's house and stood on the porch. Act 10:18 And they called and asked if Simon whose last name is Peter was staying there. Act 10:19 And while Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said to him, Behold, three men are looking for you. Act 10:20 Therefore arise and go down and go with them without doubting, for I have sent them. And when he gets there he tells Cornielus: Act 10:28 And he said to them, You know that it is an unlawful thing for a man, a Jew to keep company with or to come near to one of another nation. But God has shown me not to call any man common or unclean. It has nothing to do with food.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 4:41:57 PM
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Another misapplication of script. YHWH was not saying anything about food in that vision. It was the Gentiles that YHWH has made clean. The food was the "illustration", the Gentiles were the "substance" of the vision. The Kosher Diet still applies. Pig is still poison in any diet. The food that Paul talks about is that even if "kosher" food is put before you, eat it, unless they "tell you" it is offered to demons. Then you refuse for the sake of their conscience. Have to "rightly divide".
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 5:17:36 PM
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You might be suprised that Peter and Paul were being accused of removing the Torah and traditions in their day. And guess what happen to them? The work of the enemy has been going on for a long time I'll grant you that. Sad thing is, Peter and Paul were accused of things that were not so. They loved and followed Torah. They were being falsely accused. Many in the church however are indeed removing Torah and traditions from the People. Greerings, Jesus already said to them this would happen Joh 15:25 - Show Context But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.' Joh 17:14 - Show Context I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 10:49:55 PM
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One more thought on the laws of kashrut (kosher eating). Gentiles seem to think that Jews hate this law and are dying for a ham sandwich or plate of shrimp. But that is farthest from the truth. If you have never eaten pig and G~d forbids one from eating pig the last thing on your mind is wanting to eat it. In the 1st Century and before, only the Goyim ate non kosher and until Corneilus they were pagan and ate stuff Jews would never think to eat. And besides that it would have made them pretty sick. So think about this. If you are a missionary to some place that serves monkey brains, unless you are very adventerous you no doubt will try everything in your power to avoid eating monkey brains. So why do you think since y'all love pork that a Jew who grew up not eating it would want it just because you a Gentile tell him he now must eat it to be a Christian. It is sad however that many Jews thru the years to avoid being persecuted, thrown out of their towns or worse - killed assimilated into the culture. And part of that was eating non kosher just to make people think you were not Jewish. Why is it so important for missionaries to preserve the culture of all people they minister to oversees - except the Jewish people. They are the only ones who have to give up their culture to be accepted.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 11:16:50 PM
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I seriously doubt that anyone on this thread is demanding that anyone (of Jewish heritage or not) scarf down a ham hock to prove their Christianity. In my Bible it says what one eats and drinks is a matter of conscience and we are not to judge others about such things.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 1:02:36 AM
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Hello iSERVEaJEW and Ezra Could you two help me understand the Law and command of this? Acts 9:13-14 The Conversion of Saul 13But Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name." And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name to bind all Matthew 16:19 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Please tell me the difference between these two authorities, one given to Saul by chief priests and the other by the Lord Jesus. Does the word "bind" mean the same thing when given by these two authorities? Chief Priests and Jesus PeterD
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 1:18:01 AM
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Comment on this please especially the blue highlight: ....Rom 11:15 For if their casting away is the reconciling of the world, what is the reception except life from the dead? Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, it is not you that bears the root, but the root bears you. Rom 11:19 You will say then, The branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in. Rom 11:20 Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either! You started out by refusing to accept the plain Bible truth that Israel never believed God. And even after receiving the Scriptures to support that, you continue to dodge this fundamental truth about Israel. They had 1,500 years to "get it right" but failed every time, especially in condemning their Messiah to be crucified. So these Scriptures above simply confirm what I have been trying to show you. Notice "because of unbelief they were broken off". In plain English, Israel did not believe God, therefore they were broken off from the true Israel of God -- the "olive tree" of a believing remnant, to which the Gentiles are now grafted. Now, if Israel had really believed God, then why would Paul say "if their casting away is the reconciling of the world"? Why was Israel "cast away"? Why was the Temple and Jerusalem utterly destroyed in A.D. 70, and why did the Jews go into the Diaspora? BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF. Believe it. That Gentile believers are not to be high-minded in this regard is a separate issue. The real issue for you (and for Israel today) is a refusal to believe God and His Word when He says that Israel was always a disobedient and gainsaying people. They still are. They continue to scorn Yeshua ha Masiach (except for a believing remnant, and in that case, there is no more Jew and Gentile in the Church of God).
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 7:47:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: Anisavta One more thought on the laws of kashrut (kosher eating). Gentiles seem to think that Jews hate this law and are dying for a ham sandwich or plate of shrimp. But that is farthest from the truth. If you have never eaten pig and G~d forbids one from eating pig the last thing on your mind is wanting to eat it. In the 1st Century and before, only the Goyim ate non kosher and until Corneilus they were pagan and ate stuff Jews would never think to eat. And besides that it would have made them pretty sick. So think about this. If you are a missionary to some place that serves monkey brains, unless you are very adventerous you no doubt will try everything in your power to avoid eating monkey brains. So why do you think since y'all love pork that a Jew who grew up not eating it would want it just because you a Gentile tell him he now must eat it to be a Christian. It is sad however that many Jews thru the years to avoid being persecuted, thrown out of their towns or worse - killed assimilated into the culture. And part of that was eating non kosher just to make people think you were not Jewish. Why is it so important for missionaries to preserve the culture of all people they minister to oversees - except the Jewish people. They are the only ones who have to give up their culture to be accepted. Greetings, quote:
One more thought on the laws of kashrut (kosher eating). Gentiles seem to think that Jews hate this law and are dying for a ham sandwich or plate of shrimp. LOL! But one can sure tell what a person eats by how much underarm deodorant one uses and whether or not it works, as well as well as certain other areas of personal hygiene. Since my wife and I gave up the shell fish and the pork for some 2 years now, we have noticed that we do not suffer from those annoying orders and actually are saving money because we don’t need on buy on a regular basis all those chemical and cancer ridden remedies. We also have noticed that, analog with the laws of kashrut that when we pray over a meal, the Lord answers.... It is no different a blessing than just praying in general, But the answer or that peace which is Spiritual, that passes all understanding, does something to our body.... So when we eat we have noticed that our body is less stressed. SO I guess the blessing is not actually for the food, because the food is already dead… Anisavta Can you point us to the Jewish prayers that are recited before… and after meals?? You can PM me… if you wish Thanks... LG
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 7:58:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: PeterD Hello iSERVEaJEW and Ezra Could you two help me understand the Law and command of this? Acts 9:13-14 The Conversion of Saul 13But Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name." And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name to bind all Matthew 16:19 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Please tell me the difference between these two authorities, one given to Saul by chief priests and the other by the Lord Jesus. Does the word "bind" mean the same thing when given by these two authorities? Chief Priests and Jesus PeterD Greetings, What does that have to do with the absolutes in the Law? Binding and loosing is by choice.....and "whatever you"... bind on earth shall be bound The Law is absolute, Ex 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' " 12 So He said, "I will certainly be with you. And this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God on this mountain." 13 Then Moses said to God, "Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" 14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' " 15 Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is ""My memorial"" to all generations.' LG
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 8:05:46 AM
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Comment on this please especially the blue highlight: ....Rom 11:15 For if their casting away is the reconciling of the world, what is the reception except life from the dead? Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, it is not you that bears the root, but the root bears you. Rom 11:19 You will say then, The branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in. Rom 11:20 Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either! You started out by refusing to accept the plain Bible truth that Israel never believed God. And even after receiving the Scriptures to support that, you continue to dodge this fundamental truth about Israel. Greetings, But this fundamental truth about Israel is that Paul was speaking of the branches, not the root, which the Christians branches can aslo be broken off, and Israel grafted back into thier own tree. Is actually what Paul was speaking of. LG
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 9:48:35 AM
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It has nothing to do with food. You didn't read my other part where Paul got on Peter's case about the eating of the gentile food. When James came into the picture. Peter removed himself from eating that food. Which again shows that some of the laws went bye-bye. quote:
So think about this. If you are a missionary to some place that serves monkey brains, unless you are very adventerous you no doubt will try everything in your power to avoid eating monkey brains. So why do you think since y'all love pork that a Jew who grew up not eating it would want it just because you a Gentile tell him he now must eat it to be a Christian. It is sad however that many Jews thru the years to avoid being persecuted, thrown out of their towns or worse - killed assimilated into the culture. And part of that was eating non kosher just to make people think you were not Jewish. You seem to think it a crying shame how the poor Jews have been treated. Which I say any human the Lord has made should not be mistreated. That would include even the pagens of this world. Edited TOS 9
< Message edited by Kath -- 4/17/2008 4:52:25 PM >
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