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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 8:37:58 AM
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LBolt, I'm sorry, but I couldn't find it! Perhaps you could give me a specific post number to start with? And if you happen to know when the discussion ends, an end-post number; but of course, a start would probably be easier.
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Arnold Murray thread
Try this out Mr Fibbles..it will get you in ballpark!
http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_3046219/mpage_2/key_Arnold%2cMurray%2cthread/tm.htm#3369737
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 8:56:49 AM
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So we see, that every time the temple has been dedicated, it has been by Adonai Himself or by a priest appointed by Adonai.
There is great debate between those who believe we should build a temple in preparation for Ha Meshiach and those who believe that it should be built under His direction. Whatever the case, if it is not dedicated by Adonai or His appointed one, it will not be The Temple of Adonai.
Greetings,
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There is great debate between those who believe we should build a temple in preparation for Ha Meshiach and those who believe that it should be built under His direction.
Interesting point...
Hasn't that debate already been prophesied in the book of Revelation concerning Gods appointed one...John?
I mean.....if we read the 2 prophetic references Jesus made, with one saying in three days (for the Church) the other saying “after three days” ...and is for the Jew.
Then the prophecy in Lu 2:46, the order is exact concerning the anointing of the 144,000
And the reiterated in the prophetic it reads....
.....Now so it was that after three days…. They (Jews) found Him in the temple , sitting in the midst of the teachers, (144.000) ......both... listening to them ...and asking them questions..... (Sort of like the depictions’ of Joseph before he revealed himself to his brothers in Genesis)
If I am not mistaken.....
Now we have to keep in mind that the original temple (s) gave a type and shadow of the Messiah; and spoke of increased redemptions of the Cross in those 3 temples, which was for our Spiritual redemption, …
as Jesus told his disciples in Luke 22:37.....For “the things” (plural)… concerning Me have an end." (Finished!)
But what best describes those 3 temples form Moses to Herod is the increase of the temple furniture which reiterates in verse 52 of Luke 2.....and since those things concerning Him; we see Jesus also increasing in wisdom and stature”….
So the types of temples are as Jesus told his disciples in Luke 22:37 ...the things concerning Me have an end." (Finished!)
And there is absolutly no reference to the Law having an end here!!!!
So it is finished as far the restoration of the Sprit which the 3 temples depict…
So I guess the next temple is going to be for the restoration of the Body. And that is Gods day and hour which applies also with John 1:3 “all things” created….. and According to the promise revealed to us by Paul in Romans 8:17-25 .... is the redemption of our Bodies.
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There is great debate between those who believe we should build a temple in preparation for Ha Meshiach and those who believe that it should be built under His direction. Whatever the case, if it is not dedicated by Adonai or His appointed one, it will not be The Temple of Adonai.
I must have missed it….but who’s debating that obvious truth??
Christians go to a Church,
Jews go to the temple,
..........so it’s obvious that a temple is going to be built before the 144, 000 Jews will find the Messiah sitting in the midst of them in that temple …
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300 The Movie
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 8:59:55 AM
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Let's look at it from a different scripture reference. Let's examine I Tim. 4:3-5. Verse 5 is the key of the aforemention verses. "For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer" Let's recall that to Paul the only scriptures available was the TaNaKH. Where in the TaNaKH is creatures sanctified. Leviticus 11.
The word "food" in the preceding verse is the Greek word "Broma" and it's meaning refers to "articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law" In other words this individual would be commanding those to abstain from marriage and forbidden one from eating items the Bible has deemed cleaned.
Peter's vision was not a case of killing two birds with one stone. He wasn't cleansing animals he had declared unclean in these verses of scripture. In rabbinical Law they formed a fence law prohibiting non-Jews and Jews from being under the same roof. As not to become unclean by there unkosher lifestyle or partake or become influence by their behavior. But Cornelius was already walking in Torah but he wasn't saved. He and his group were God fearing. Oral Law was so entrenched in the culture that even after Peter being in the presence of the Master for 3 1/2 and witnessing Him minister to non-Jews, he still held to this mindset. Our LORD through a vision, using images very familiar to Peter communicated to Him not to call no man common whom God has cleansed. Notice that the apron appeared to him 3 times representing the number of people coming to his house.
I know this was the meaning of the vision because in verse 28 it says, "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hathed showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Therefore came I unto without gainsaying..." Notice he went and ministered the gospel to this non-Jewish people. Notice he did not go and have a pork and shrimp smorgashborg or any other animal that was considered by Bible as unclean. So God did not lie. I don't believe Judy is insinuating this, we just believe you have a wrong understanding of this particular set of scriptures, that's all. I used to believe what you believe so I understand your premise.
Quite frankly those scholars in the aforemention list do not rate high on my credibility rating... on that same list, one of them wrote that those Jews who did not convert to Christianity should be locked in the synagogue and burned while hymns be sung! Changed the Sabbath to Sunday. I don't count them all as bad. They have a lot of good merits but they were also inspirational to alot of anti-Semitic doctrine and I can provide you with quotes to prove my point!
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Romans 14 is dealing with with those who eat meat IAW Leviticus 11 and those who strictly eat vegetables. This was also coupled with fast days. This chapter is not addressing Sabbath or Feast days but rathers particular fast days. Paul was telling us not to divide over matters such as food (whether one person eats only veggies and another eats meat or food deemed clean by the scripture) or which days are fast days, but rather the Kingdom of God is not meat or drink but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Notice that Peter came out of the vision and said not to call any man common or unclean not any man and animal common or unclean. Big difference!! You can try to spin it to try to justify eating whatever, but the Bible says otherwise and doctors will tell you that those foods lead to various array of different illness'. That my frriend has been proven by medical facts!! If you want to eat those items, that's your decision but don't try to use the Bible to justify your actions.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 9:39:56 AM
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**edit** What intrinsic, practical value is there in changing what day we meet and celebrate?
Absolutely none, but just the little problem and the simple fact; that it was done.
As described in the Beginning, God gave a command, and it was heard; and repeated by the women; and she (they)... did what they did anyway.
Which is represent of fallen man.
Other than that…. God is very easy to live with. 
Your argument, 'God said it, so it must be done' is incredibly shallow and ignores everything we now know no longer has to be followed...circumcision, animal sacrifice, hair cuts, laws of uncleanness... Your answer is much too simplistic.
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So now we move on to answer this misconception
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And if there is no inherent, practical value in changing our meeting schedule, then the only other possible benefit would be God actively moving on our behalf
First of all that opinion hasn’t shed any practical light or value, Because the fact is a change did happen by the Churches moving away from that which Jesus (the head of the Church) kept; which are Gods appointed times,
So your reiteration makes absolutely no sense to begin with...
And that change (presumably undesirable) that has occurred within the church as a result of not keeping the OT worship laws was what?
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And is written quite differently in the scriptures
Re 22:18
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
What does adding to or taking away from the prophecy of Revelation got to do with adding or taking away from OT worship laws?
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**edit** What intrinsic, practical value is there in changing what day we meet and celebrate?
…..They did it because God said thou shall not!!, as mentioned in the beginning of this post …above…because (they heard the word)... and did what they did anyway.
And again … is a represent of fallen man,
..........Therefore moving away from Gods appointed times in principal is already prophesied by Daniel as to the changing of times and seasons; .......which is attributed to ANTI-Christ.
And when properly reiterated.... is because…. Jesus (the head of the Church) kept; Gods appointed times,
Plain and simple 
So Constantine was the anti-christ? If that's true, that puts us 1700 years post anti-christ. And, if we subscribe to your theory, what evil work is still left to do in regard to changing "the set times and the laws"?
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Will rearranging our meeting schedule move the hand of God on our behalf?
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Brief example...
the historical suppression of the Bible by the RRC requires that its following get their spiritual examples from the Church .in whom is all authority, so as to receive spiritual things according to that which they think you need, = suppression
which is mentioned below as a No No
A No NO ….Because for example the Pope …(the supreme pastor) in whom rests all authority to issue spiritual things… (Which is an act of admittance of hearing the word) the Pope would be considered the angel of the Church; according to that; which are described earlier in detailat the beginning in the book of Revelation.
……So in like manner as John said above, “I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel (pastor) who showed me (revealed) these things…...= is the same thing as the above ….just different words!!
....And the servant said
9 Then he said to me, "See that you do not do that”
For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book =OT. ....Worship God."
So one of the words to keep in this example is "See that you do not do that” which = God saying..thou shall not!
And….unless I am not hearing correctly what is written there...
It seems simple enough according to the scriptures that the question is not going to be … “if” ...rearranging our meeting schedule will move the hand of God on our behalf….. or not…because it is already written how God will move
Don't you realize you've condemned everyone to hell who doesn't obey the OT laws of worship? The disobedient talked about in Revelation go to hell. Perhaps you need to clarify yourself, or admit that you think keeping the literal OT laws of worship is proof of one's salvation, and that without that proof one is going to hell. Here's your chance to explain, and then we'll compare what you say to the fate of those in Revelation.
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The real question is why did they rearrange the meeting schedule ….which is in accordance with the prophecy of the book to begin with???;…. and that =s a subtraction…and when combined with the worship of angels (servants)... that = is an addition,… in Which God said, “thou shall not! … so it is already written how God will move…in Rev 22
Rev 22:18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
How is going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday adding or subracting to the words of the book of Revelation that John wrote down as they were given to him?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 10:29:59 AM
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Dear friends,
Here is a discussion thread - "Keep the Law?" - that has been going on for three years and 155 pages. I have skimmed the oldest and the most recent posts, and wanted to jump into the discussion for the first time. So - if I am sharing something that has already been mentioned in the first 155 pages, I apologize!
Christopher,
NPrblm,will get you up to speed. To save you time and cut out a mound of unnecessary wording/ping pong posting-no, nobody here questions the fact of God being eternal,unchanging; neglects or dismisses OT; denies 2 most important laws on which all are based; or 10 comm. and multitude of other important directions given in the Bible for our benefit .
1. What we are currently seem to be debating here is necessity of keeping feasts, food laws, and a few other odds and ends. I can’t tell you which ones, what literal laws to keep is a subject to personal (denomntnl) choosing of particular brand of Messianism,I met people that interpret Torah laws in widest variety of ways.
2. Using word Christ, Christian, as well recognizing Easter, Xmas and events your church has in the honor of such holidays are considered pagan.
I am against both 2 notions.
But ulra-radical people that would openly call you a Pagan has been, May God bless our moderators richly, weeded out of the thread. There are some really smart folks on the Lit. Torah camp side now, brilliant fellows, real theological sharks so Enjoy the debate! (Love it here – I don’t like lukewarm, toothless debates)
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 10:36:16 AM
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**edit** What intrinsic, practical value is there in changing what day we meet and celebrate?
Absolutely none, but just the little problem and the simple fact; that it was done.
As described in the Beginning, God gave a command, and it was heard; and repeated by the women; and she (they)... did what they did anyway.
Which is represent of fallen man.
Other than that…. God is very easy to live with.
Your argument, 'God said it, so it must be done' is incredibly shallow and ignores everything we now know no longer has to be followed...circumcision, animal sacrifice, hair cuts, laws of uncleanness... Your answer is much too simplistic.
Greetings,
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Your argument, 'God said it, so it must be done' is incredibly shallow and ignores everything we now know no longer has to be followed...Your answer is much too simplistic.
I wasn’t giving neither an answer, nor an argument; then, but just stating what the book intended for us to see.
It's actually very simple, the women reached out her hand and ate from the tree of good and evil, after repeating what God had said, and is very represent of fallen man, ...even to this day!
And in like manner God said to the Man,
"Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
First of all the “US” referenced above in the verse… have no such of intimate relationship with evil….l yet in the OT… “Good” was accounted for righteousness.
So for some reason man seemed to think that reaching for the tree of life; ….was the “good” part of the tree… of good and evil....
In which they haven’t yet reached out their hand to; LOL!!
23 therefore….. the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.
24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
The tree of life and the tree of good and evil, where good and evil are two very different animals ...as is the tree of life between tree of good and evil.
So the plan in Bible 101 was get the order of the tree of life in-between good and evil, which is a picture of Calvary… It's actually very simple and the book of Genesis is not simplistic.
However I just gave the answer in the last post
.....the types of temples are as Jesus told his disciples in Luke 22:37 ...the things concerning Me have an end." (Finished!)
But, there is absolutely no reference to the Law having it's end here!!!!
....That is what God through Jesus, saying..."the things concerning Me (Jesus) have an end." (Finished!)
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circumcision, animal sacrifice, hair cuts, laws of uncleanness... Your answer is much too simplistic.
Then if the things concerning Jesus had an end." and are (Finished!)Then which of the fall feasts concerning God are we still required keeping into eternity?
And....I believe those are Gods to finish...Philippians 1:6
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Your argument, 'God said it, so it must be done' is incredibly shallow
No, it is what you say!!...but; can you show us an example in Jesus words, where He gave that illusion?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 10:44:46 AM
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O: You don’t deny that saved people are born again of the Holy Spirit?
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I don’t know…I can not find a reference that the HS died on the Cross….
but it looks like the scripture points to being born again as the passing through the blood, as in any depiction of a birth would be,
But to finish answering your question…. we have to move to the context of John 3:1-21
Because Jesus makes that point understood…by what Nicodemus understood.... and said…….in
v2 whereby Jesus answers Nicodemus by the reiteration through the context of John 3: “3-20”
in verse in v21…
Well, honestly i am not sure i fully understand you position, but do agree that HS is being spiritual so it is in general hard to debate /discuss/define anything related to it in literal, earthly, material sense as we can describe physical birth..
But..
What is you comment would be to this in the light of your view:
"But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth." (2 Thessalonians 2:13)
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In the mean time can you answer this for us.....from the aspect of Judaism …
or what Nicodemus Biblical understanding was that prompted him to make such a reference to his mother's womb.... in verse 4 of John 3? i promise you, dearest brother ,today, just a bit later, gotta run
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 10:46:20 AM
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Thanks LBolt and LoyalGypsy!
I have a question - if the Law is meant to discern what is food and what is not, then why is there nothing about different types of plants? Why is there nothing telling the Israelites that eating poison ivy (or something close to it that's native to that region) is unclean?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 10:55:55 AM
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mcleod, I'm a bit perplexed. In your post, who's going to hell, and why?
You would have to ask the Seventh Day Adventise for that answer.
By the way you have answered me in the past about sacrifices making a come back. Is how I came up with that statement.
Loyal I guess you did read it in the torah but it states or what Christ said to Peter at Petra. But in 1 Peter 3:3-4. It tells woman which I believe if it is told to one sex it is to the other sex. But back to it, Peter is binding jewelry on women.
See what you can get into when you start to go by a law way of life.
A town next to where I live has made it an issue about the Little League playing on their given holy day.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 10:59:14 AM
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Here's a copy of the post.
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Let's look at it from a different scripture reference. Let's examine I Tim. 4:3-5. Verse 5 is the key of the aforemention verses. "For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer" Let's recall that to Paul the only scriptures available was the TaNaKH. Where in the TaNaKH is creatures sanctified. Leviticus 11.
The word "food" in the preceding verse is the Greek word "Broma" and it's meaning refers to "articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law" In other words this individual would be commanding those to abstain from marriage and forbidden one from eating items the Bible has deemed cleaned.
Peter's vision was not a case of killing two birds with one stone. He wasn't cleansing animals he had declared unclean in these verses of scripture. In rabbinical Law they formed a fence law prohibiting non-Jews and Jews from being under the same roof. As not to become unclean by there unkosher lifestyle or partake or become influence by their behavior. But Cornelius was already walking in Torah but he wasn't saved. He and his group were God fearing. Oral Law was so entrenched in the culture that even after Peter being in the presence of the Master for 3 1/2 and witnessing Him minister to non-Jews, he still held to this mindset. Our LORD through a vision, using images very familiar to Peter communicated to Him not to call no man common whom God has cleansed. Notice that the apron appeared to him 3 times representing the number of people coming to his house.
I know this was the meaning of the vision because in verse 28 it says, "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hathed showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Therefore came I unto without gainsaying..." Notice he went and ministered the gospel to this non-Jewish people. Notice he did not go and have a pork and shrimp smorgashborg or any other animal that was considered by Bible as unclean. So God did not lie. I don't believe Judy is insinuating this, we just believe you have a wrong understanding of this particular set of scriptures, that's all. I used to believe what you believe so I understand your premise.
Quite frankly those scholars in the aforemention list do not rate high on my credibility rating... on that same list, one of them wrote that those Jews who did not convert to Christianity should be locked in the synagogue and burned while hymns be sung! Changed the Sabbath to Sunday. I don't count them all as bad. They have a lot of good merits but they were also inspirational to alot of anti-Semitic doctrine and I can provide you with quotes to prove my point!
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Romans 14 is dealing with with those who eat meat IAW Leviticus 11 and those who strictly eat vegetables. This was also coupled with fast days. This chapter is not addressing Sabbath or Feast days but rathers particular fast days. Paul was telling us not to divide over matters such as food (whether one person eats only veggies and another eats meat or food deemed clean by the scripture) or which days are fast days, but rather the Kingdom of God is not meat or drink but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Notice that Peter came out of the vision and said not to call any man common or unclean not any man and animal common or unclean. Big difference!! You can try to spin it to try to justify eating whatever, but the Bible says otherwise and doctors will tell you that those foods lead to various array of different illness'. That my frriend has been proven by medical facts!! If you want to eat those items, that's your decision but don't try to use the Bible to justify your actions.
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The word "food" in the preceding verse is the Greek word "Broma" and it's meaning refers to "articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law"
It's works in Gypsys law also...and I guess 40 years in the backside of the desert taught Moses a bunch!! but then again that was brought to Moses attention by God afterwards!......and... thank God for"Broma" seltzer!! in the mean time 
Well that is what is says, I have Noticed that Peter comming out of the vision with the understanding not to call any man common or unclean...
and by Peters keeping the kosher law; the scripture itself has already shown that he aready understood that...or kept that.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 11:00:05 AM
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You would have to ask the Seventh Day Adventise for that answer.
By the way you have answered me in the past about sacrifices making a come back. Is how I came up with that statement.
Heh, I'm still confused. Don't take this the wrong way, but is English your first language, or are you writing your posts in a hurry?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 11:09:48 AM
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thanks LBolt and LoyalGypsy!
I have a question - if the Law is meant to discern what is food and what is not, then why is there nothing about different types of plants? Why is there nothing telling the Israelites that eating poison ivy (or something close to it that's native to that region) is unclean?
i see where you getting with this .. Good point, Fribbles!
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pig, shrimp, (Lev. 11) are not considered food
so is McDonal’ds Happymeal, hydrogenated oils, preservatives ,colorings,growth hormones and steroids in chicken and cows milk, Twinkies, wonderbread and such that has the Second Coming of Christ set as expiration date. Or tons of other uneatable food items passed for food, like chemical asparthame,etc.
They clog arteries, drill holes in your brain,make people gain ugly fat , get diabetes, cancer and vote democratic.
(even I do like the idea of black president – I wish it was Samuel L. Jackson though)
I eat piggies, but dislike shrimp. You don’t eat pig, but trust me , you consume a lot of harmful things. the point is - Muslim and Jew all eventually die, pig or not.The main point of the food Law was not food.
But I agree -I should quit eating pig now, if I want to keep good figure for years.
(left for good - i need to google if Samuel is married) I will tell a funniest story on kosher restaurant my brother works in as a chef, later, promise.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 11:30:57 AM
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mcleod, I'm a bit perplexed. In your post, who's going to hell, and why?
Loyal I guess you did read it in the torah but it states or what Christ said to Peter at Petra.
But in 1 Peter 3:3-4.
It tells woman which I believe if it is told to one sex compared as it is to the other sex.
But back to it,
Peter is binding jewelry on women.
See what you can get into when you start to go by a law way of life.
A town next to where I live has made it an issue about the Little League playing on their given holy day.
Greetings
1 Peter 3
3:3
Do not let your adornment be merely outward--arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel--
3:4
Rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.
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Peter is binding jewelry on women.
Where does it say that??
He never said you couldn’t; do not let your adornment “be merely”...outward—and is not suggesting the binding jewelry on women but what’s more important
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See what you can get into when you start to go by a law way of life.
A town next to where I live has made it an issue about the Little League playing on their given holy day.
Well that’s how it was; or how it should be.... not like now a days ....and if in deed there is a holiday ...where very few will show up for Church... during our holy SUN day or ministries in the same, ....it was not like that in the OT, in the OT everyone showed up for the feasts !!!
What's more important,
the world’s definitions like Little League playing on a given holy day or Gods definitions??
You do know why that type of stuff like scheduling things such as children’s activities on holy days are done ….right??
Is done for the same reason your newspapers now come in the morning, rather than in the afternoons
Ps 5:3 - Show Context
My voice You shall hear in the morning, O Lord; In the morning I will direct it to You, And I will look up.
Same spirit! Different day!
LG
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...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 11:46:04 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: Odeliya
so is McDonal’ds Happymeal, hydrogenated oils, preservatives ,colorings,growth hormones and steroids in chicken and cows milk, Twinkies, wonderbread and such that has the Second Coming of Christ set as expiration date.
Or tons of other uneatable food items passed for food, like chemical asparthame,etc.
They clog arteries, drill holes in your brain,make people gain ugly fat , get diabetes, cancer and vote democratic.
Greetings,
Hey ...some people enjoy being like that, so thank God for the democratics, if it werent for them then they would not seek God later for an answer 
LG
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 12:19:58 PM
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bob97
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Seek everything in moderation...I think this will pretty much take care of you in all cases.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 1:21:29 PM
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Odeliya
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ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: Odeliya
so is McDonal’ds Happymeal, hydrogenated oils, preservatives ,colorings,growth hormones and steroids in chicken and cows milk, Twinkies, wonderbread and such that has the Second Coming of Christ set as expiration date.
Or tons of other uneatable food items passed for food, like chemical asparthame,etc.
They clog arteries, drill holes in your brain,make people gain ugly fat , get diabetes, cancer and vote democratic.
Greetings,
Hey ...some people enjoy being like that, so thank God for the democratics, if it werent for them then they would not seek God later for an answer
LG
Dem party causes people directly or indirectly to look to God for answers ? Appreciate the new and interesting perspective on it.. If that’s the case, may God help them win! I cant vote, but will pray for the very best. 
Would you mind answering the post/verse on Holy Spirit , dear Gyp? Any thoughts of yours on the subject would be appreciated. I am seeking to see in opponents position more clearly..
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 3:09:04 PM
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Sorry
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Heh, I'm still confused. Don't take this the wrong way, but is English your first language, or are you writing your posts in a hurry?
 You guess right and I'm sorry for that problem.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 3:17:45 PM
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mcleod
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Peter is binding jewelry on women.
Where does it say that??
He never said you couldn’t; do not let your adornment “be merely”...outward—and is not suggesting the binding jewelry on women but what’s more important
Again you would have to ask a Seveth Day Adventise on that subject. But thats where they quote from to get their thinking. They also quote Ellen White a lot too. Yet I haven't seen any of her credentials, to know that she could have been another Joesph Smith. The only thing I know of her is that she lived in a town that is about sixty-miles as a bird flies, from me.
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