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RE: "The Shack" - 6/23/2009 10:13:31 PM
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GrannyofSix
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Well.....let's see - ONE person saved, and millions lost because of a book. Weighed in the balance, I wonder how Jesus would feel? He died for everyone, not for ONE person to be saved, while millions others are being lost.
However, the book has nothing to do with the Real God of the Bible, nor Jesus nor the Holy Ghost. It is untruths, lies, heresies, blasphemies and to say the least - insults to the deity of God. I, for one, do not want to insult God!!
I will warn people with the truth about this book as long as I need to. If I help to open the eyes of ONE person, it will be worth all my efforts, wouldn't you agree?
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/23/2009 11:00:16 PM
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If ONE unsaved person
Very interesting ......... would that ONE person not be worth it?
That one in a million person would have been saved in spite of the book, not because of it.
Maybe, maybe not. The bottom line is, you don't know, and therefore you cannot make that statement as a fact. It is nothing more than your opinion.
Actually i can state that as fact, since the god of the Shack is not the God of the bible, and the theology of the Shack is not that of the Bible. Since the Shack presents a false god anybody who may have read it and is saved by God, is saved in spite of what is in that book, and not because of it. By your reasoning a person could be saved by reading a hare krishna pamphlet, a watchtower edition, or Anton laveys Satanic bible.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/23/2009 11:39:08 PM
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Actually i can state that as fact,
You clearly have absolutely no idea what I am talking about ... this is a work of fiction, not a theological book ... yet you presume to speak on behalf of God? Amazing. Simply amazing. I cannot box God up into a little package. I just can't do it. He is capable of much more than we can ever possibly imagine. I would think others would believe that as well. Again, maybe I give people too much credit in believing that about God. But, I don't know, this discussion is really odd.
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I will warn people with the truth about this book as long as I need to.
And I will continue to state that this book is not the spawn of the devil. Click.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 6:14:32 AM
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Actually i can state that as fact,
You clearly have absolutely no idea what I am talking about ... this is a work of fiction, not a theological book ... yet you presume to speak on behalf of God? Amazing. Simply amazing. I cannot box God up into a little package. I just can't do it. He is capable of much more than we can ever possibly imagine. I would think others would believe that as well. Again, maybe I give people too much credit in believing that about God. But, I don't know, this discussion is really odd.
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I will warn people with the truth about this book as long as I need to.
And I will continue to state that this book is not the spawn of the devil. Click.
Because God so appreciates being compared to a large black woman named "Papa" and so appreciates the Holy Spirit being compared to a spiritist guru from Southeast Asia. Yeah, that's exactly how the Bible presents God, I suppose. 
Everyone has their ideas of what God appears to be and Young presented his heretical ideas in "The Shack". You choose to put God in your own little box apparently by going with Young's idea.
How about we all take God out of a box and and out of a fictional book? Let's look at Him as the sovereign creator who gave up His own life so that the Church might be saved and worship Him. Notice: it's a Him, not a Her.
All Young has done has created more division in the Church. Christians should preserve unity, not create division. If one is going to write a book with subtle theology throughout, then perhaps one should consult with some people who actually know theology.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 8:00:43 AM
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v. You choose to put God in your own little box apparently by going with Young's idea.
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you are the accuser aren't you?
to me, this discussion is no longer about the shack,.... a simple book ..... and it has turned into a very silly over empowering if not glorification of something that isn't even there.
which is okay, and a little funny & dorky until you start insulting and accusing, then it becomes an instrument that is used for weak christians to insult and discourage, and to ....... whatever the opposite of edify is.......
I have read desergirl's posts, if she has advocated this book, I don't see it....... I think she is saying that God is more powerful than your little conspiracy theory.
I hope you have read the book, because if you haven't, your testimony about it is invalid.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 8:10:50 AM
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Yes, the book is a book of fiction. No, it's not a book of theology. HOWEVER, a book, even fiction, represents the author's world view and is written from that perspective. This offers a false view of Christ. To someone who doesn't know better they will read this and think "THis is what Christians believe about God"
If I write a fictional book about a character named "Bob Smith" but don't portray Bob Smith as the real BS but just similar enough to BS that someone who doesn't know will think it's BS but in reality it's slander would you say that BS should just say "Oh, it's just a book of fiction and it's not meant to really be about me" even if I mean to write this book about my interpretation of who Bob Smith is.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 8:31:39 AM
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Yes, the book is a book of fiction. No, it's not a book of theology. HOWEVER, a book, even fiction, represents the author's world view and is written from that perspective. This offers a false view of Christ. To someone who doesn't know better they will read this and think "THis is what Christians believe about God"
Can't be much worse than the impression Christians themselves give to the world about what we believe. Or the God whose image we are to reflect.
No one is going to be saved by believing in the god of any book, but only the God of The Book. But God can use anything to bring people to Himself.
I personally wish the book did not have the theological mistakes that it does. But then, if it didn't, we and the world, wouldn't be talking about it. What Christians don't get is that we are the failures, not Mr. Young. It is the God that people see reflected in our lives that they have rejected. And rightfully so.
So, when they see God portrayed as a God of Grace, they get it. And sadly, we do not.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 8:41:44 AM
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Can't be much worse than the impression Christians themselves give to the world about what we believe. Or the God whose image we are to reflect.
No one is going to be saved by believing in the god of any book, but only the God of The Book. But God can use anything to bring people to Himself.
I personally wish the book did not have the theological mistakes that it does. But then, if it didn't, we and the world, wouldn't be talking about it. What Christians don't get is that we are the failures, not Mr. Young. It is the God that people see reflected in our lives that they have rejected. And rightfully so.
So, when they see God portrayed as a God of Grace, they get it. And sadly, we do not.
Peace
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 1:17:21 PM
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You clearly have absolutely no idea what I am talking about ... this is a work of fiction, not a theological book ... yet you presume to speak on behalf of God? Amazing. Simply amazing. I cannot box God up into a little package. I just can't do it. He is capable of much more than we can ever possibly imagine. I would think others would believe that as well. Again, maybe I give people too much credit in believing that about God. But, I don't know, this discussion is really odd.
This is EXACTLY what the author of The Shack is doing!!!
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My point of contention is not about "the world" reading this book as much as it is about people calling themselves Christians who suddenly "understand" God and the Trinity and all kinds of things that can't be understood by reading this book. And when you point out--because you have immersed yourself enough in scripture to recognize all the problems--that Papa is not the God of the bible, they look at you like you're insane and accuse you of not understand relationship or whatever. I suspect some people now posting in this thread have not had this experience. I, however, have had this conversation a couple dozen times now.
Therein lies the problem. I have zero problem with anyone who recognizes that the book is complete fiction and not theologically sound.
I totally agree. It is the Christians who swallow this book and support it that will cause more sinners to be led astray than the book itself. Gloria Gaither called the book a "God-thing". I heard her with my own ears. She has influence on probably a million people all over the world. I love Bill and Gloria, but was shocked beyond words that they supported and promoted this book! How many people will be deceived by the book because just these two Christians support it?
I still love them and will still go to the their concerts every chance that I get. I am praying that God will open their eyes to what they are doing by supporting this horrible book!
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 1:23:44 PM
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 1:27:42 PM
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preached to pukedom
lol
It's located about a mile outside of doinkdom.
 that might've been funnier in my head
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 1:28:29 PM
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Glad you liked that. It's so true. I got so sick of hearing how nice God is and how wonderful we humans are that it just hit me one day how false this stuff is. Thankfully dh and I came to our senses. These churches have some wonderful programs, but it's all works based. If I do ..... then I will be tricked into repenting and believe!
I starting to believe that this is the start of the end.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/24/2009 10:08:02 PM
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Glad you liked that. It's so true. I got so sick of hearing how nice God is and how wonderful we humans are that it just hit me one day how false this stuff is. Thankfully dh and I came to our senses. These churches have some wonderful programs, but it's all works based. If I do ..... then I will be tricked into repenting and believe!
I starting to believe that this is the start of the end.
Indeed. I am so tired of the "God is love" line that too many use to excuse bad behavior or teaching. " How dare you judge!, God is bigger than you, He can use ANYTHING to save someone, God does not care how we portray Him 'cuz God is love love love". Ad nauseam, ad infinitum. God is love for sure, but to single out that one aspect of His to the exclusion to all of His others is dangerous. God is also wrath, He is also justice, and He is also angry with the wicked every day, He is also jealous, He is also vengeful, and above all those things, even love, He is Holy. So yes, i believe He does care how He is portrayed in a book of fiction, because even though it is fiction, the subject matter (God) is not. And if someone wants to use God as a character in a book they should take great pains to portray Him just as He has revealed Himself, any alteration is blasphemous. God is jealous for His reputation, and writers should remember that, and no matter how warm and fuzzy it makes a person feel, so should the reader.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 10:04:38 AM
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It's located about a mile outside of doinkdom.
Love it.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 11:24:59 AM
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Indeed. I am so tired of the "God is love" line that too many use to excuse bad behavior or teaching. " How dare you judge!, God is bigger than you, He can use ANYTHING to save someone, God does not care how we portray Him 'cuz God is love love love". Ad nauseam, ad infinitum. God is love for sure, but to single out that one aspect of His to the exclusion to all of His others is dangerous. God is also wrath, He is also justice, and He is also angry with the wicked every day, He is also jealous, He is also vengeful, and above all those things, even love, He is Holy. So yes, i believe He does care how He is portrayed in a book of fiction, because even though it is fiction, the subject matter (God) is not. And if someone wants to use God as a character in a book they should take great pains to portray Him just as He has revealed Himself, any alteration is blasphemous. God is jealous for His reputation, and writers should remember that, and no matter how warm and fuzzy it makes a person feel, so should the reader.
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 12:30:30 PM
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Curious why anyone who is so vehemently against this book would support people who promote it. (posts 444 and 460)
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The book is a spawn of the devil and will deceive even the very elect if possible.
Edited slightly to take away the glory to the devil that you appear to have given him by capitalizing the reference to the enemy.
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I totally agree. It is the Christians who swallow this book and support it that will cause more sinners to be led astray than the book itself. Gloria Gaither called the book a "God-thing". I heard her with my own ears. She has influence on probably a million people all over the world. I love Bill and Gloria, but was shocked beyond words that they supported and promoted this book! How many people will be deceived by the book because just these two Christians support it?
I still love them and will still go to the their concerts every chance that I get. I am praying that God will open their eyes to what they are doing by supporting this horrible book!
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 1:51:56 PM
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Curious why anyone who is so vehemently against this book would support people who promote it.
I already stated why. I still love them and will still go the their concerts every chance that I get. I am praying that God will open their eyes to what they are doing by supporting this horrible book!
I AM PRAYING FOR THEM THAT GOD WILL OPEN THEIR EYES!
Also, all of the artists have not made an open stand FOR the book. I'm not going to cheat myself of great southern gospel music because Bill and Gloria Gaither have made this terrible mistake in judgment and have been deceived into thinking that this book is a "God-thing". I hope everyone will pray for them and everybody else that has been deceived by this book.
What good would it do to "boycott" their concerts and cheat myself of my favorite pass time and my only means of entertainment?
No one is perfect. I am sure that Bill and Gloria have made other mistakes. This is one of them that happens to be in the public eye and will influence many people, to my great sorrow.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 2:12:44 PM
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What good would it do to "boycott" their concerts and cheat myself of my favorite pass time and my only means of entertainment?
Why would anyone want to cheat themselves out of their favorite pastime of reading a work of fiction for entertainment?
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 2:14:45 PM
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What good would it do to "boycott" their concerts and cheat myself of my favorite pass time and my only means of entertainment?
Why would anyone want to cheat themselves out of their favorite pastime of reading a work of fiction for entertainment?
 and to continue...
why would anyone want to read about their Lord and Savior (The one true God) being given attributes contrary to their true nature?
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 2:36:07 PM
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the is my response to answering questions with questions...something "some" posters do to manipulate a specific answer so they can pounce on it with their own pre-thought out response.
Please forgive that assumption of you...I was really just paying attention to the post itself and yes...it was wrong.
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It really boils down to being creative in our own thinking.
imo, it boils down to being okay with slander against our Lord who is not some character in a book or just a historical figure of some kind.
I should really just get out of here. Again, forgive me for assuming and I'll just scoot on out.
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 5:26:13 PM
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I will not condemn those who choose to read works of fiction, whether it is about God or about something else. I choose instead to allow others to make their own choices and then I can use that as a springboard to ask them what they believe, whether they know God. With regard to this particular book, I can ask them if they realize that this is indeed a fictional book and if they understand that this character is not the God of the Bible.
The problem with this way of thinking is that there are thousands, if not millions, of people by now who have read this book and believe it to be a truthful representation of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost because (1) they haven't been saved, (2) they do not know the scriptures, (3) Satan will use the lies in this book to deceive many, many hearts because it solves problems/heartaches (which people are looking for). It's too late for many after they read this book and have received it into their hearts as the truth about the Trinity.
The problem is, and so many people don't get it - the book clearly says it is Fiction. People understand that the storyline of Mack and his family and their loss is not true, but they DON'T understand that the part of the book with the Trinity and all their conversations is not true. There are many books with a fictional storyline, yet uses God, Jesus, the cruxificion, miracles of the Bible, and so on inside their book. If the Biblical references are truthful, the book does not offend Christians. If the Biblical references are not truthful, as in The Shack, it DOES offend Christians and is very likely to deceive non-Christians.
This is where the author took the liberty that he should never have taken. It was okay to write a book of Fiction about a tragedy; and even about healing through the Power of God and the Trinity. But stick with the Truth of the Word of God if you are going to do that! Making up the personalities of the Trinity, creating false teachings spoken by members of the Trinity, and teaching Mack untrue ways of how to recover from his great sadness is the problem with the book!
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RE: "The Shack" - 6/25/2009 6:11:36 PM
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The problem with this way of thinking is that there are thousands, if not millions, of people by now who have read this book and believe it to be a truthful representation of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost
Do you have proof of this alleged fact? Do you have actual numbers of people? A list of names perhaps? Where are you getting this information?
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It's too late for many after they read this book
If this statement contained a speck of truth, what you are saying is that it's too late for pretty much everyone who is not already a believer because of what's been introduced into their minds through various avenues of media. This tells me that you lack hope for unbelievers.
Please don't make such unfactual statements as if they were fact. Unless you have actual statistical data to back up this statement, it's nothing more than gibberish pulled out of thin air. Let's stick with truth, because without Truth, we as believers have nothing.
It would be a wise investment of our time and effort to pray that those who read this book understand that the fictional character of god in the book is not the True God. It's not only the Gaithers that need prayer to see the Truth, it's all who do not know it. Wouldn't you agree?
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I've seen this preached to pukedom from some of the churches we've been at over the last 3 years and it's just very dangerous. If you're not taught the whole counsel of the Word you're may as well not get it at all. God will not be mocked. 
